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Bundles Of New Stretch Goals Hit For Dungeons & Lasers!
August 20, 2019 by brennon
As the Dungeons & Lasers Kickstarter from Archon Studio moves towards its final week on the platform they have been unlocking lots of new stretch goals to get you excited about backing. Starting things off they put together this handy graphic which shows everything which has been unlocked...
Check Out The Kickstarter Here
So yes, you get all of that with the one main pledge for the game which offers you the chance to pick up either a Fantasy or Sci-Fi dungeon in a box. However, if you're interested in seeing just what all of this actually looks like here's the full rundown of the Stretch Goals from their Kickstarter page.
One of the core elements of these Stretch Goals has been that they are adding in lots of bitz which help to add to your dungeon and make it more personalised. You'll find lots of elements to help make your dungeon feel like a lived-in Sci-Fi facility or a dank dungeon in the depths of some terrifying mountain. As well as the bits you'll also notice that the stretch goals have unlocked lots of wonderful little critters who you can use as alternative Fantasy adventurers on the tabletop too. Everyone likes a pupper...
The Core Of The Kickstarter
So, if you're new to Dungeons & Lasers you might not have heard what it's all about. It offers you a set of plastic bits which can be bolted together in lots of different ways allowing you to build interesting Fantasy and Sci-Fi dungeons.
As you can see, there are lots of different ways you can build the dungeons and if you'd like to find out more you can check out our piece HERE where we looked at the different pledges in more detail.
Are you tempted by this with all of the new stretch goals?
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Few things make me wary… Load tend to run late, price of shipping and Brexit.
few kickstarters ever run on time … (I think I can count the ones that did on one hand … )
Aren’t Load just a rebranding of Prodos who did that AvP game that the failed to deliver on for many people?
We are, apparently, meant to forgive and most importantly forget, who this company is and what they have done. Just focus on the mountain of shiny plastic, and that mountain of plastic they produced to make the 40K table.
dragging up that old dead horse again, are we ?
XCOM is (almost) ready to ship.
And as you’ve seen in the 40k Hobbyweekend they’ve produced lots for their previous kickstarter.
I know it’s good to be a bit paranoid when it comes to kickstarters, but this one is as safe as kickstarters can be.
I’d argue that it was the licensing that broke them.
More like leopards don’t change their spots.
AFAIK, AvP backers still haven’t received their rewards or refunds.
If you receive your reward, great. Otherwise, review these threads for Archon / Prodos’ customer service:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/archonstudio/rampart-magnetized-modular-terrain-for-tabletop/comments
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/archonstudio/vanguard-of-war-tower-defense-boardgame-with-zombi/comments
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/archonstudio/chronicle-x-by-archon-studio/comments
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/archonstudio/re-load-by-archon-studio/posts/2394444
I’ve yet to see any kickstarter with a 100% perfect delivery … and that includes big names of like Mythic and Monolith.
The reality is that the logistics of shipping to lots of individual backers is tricky.
And that’s before you add the high risk countries where packages routinely get ‘lost’.
The Vanguard-update (dated augest) still says they’re shipping …
AvP has been a disaster, but it was using a 3rd party IP. And it was not ARchon Studios who signed those contracts. There simply is nothing anyone is legally allowed to do to ‘fix’ this kickstarter.
Side note :
‘Evil Dead’ kickstarter died due to lack of funding … and is now getting rebooted by JASC.
Maybe start screaming at JASC for being shit too when they fail to deliver on their promise to ship to backers of the original kickstarter ?
Dealing with existing IP … and especially ones that are related to movies is many things, but easy it most definitely is not when you don’t have good lawyers on your side.
KS can go wrong. And if a company is up front with backers, does everything they can to put things right, and is generally seen to be stand-up folks then by all means give them a second chance.
This lot actively hid their identity in subsequent KS projects, and look very shady.
They were not happy when some in the community did some investigating and found out that Archon/Prodos/Load was one and the same.
So i’m not sure why you are so shocked that people ‘bring up that dead horse’ about Archon. Maybe if they sent me a whole shipping container of free plastic bits i’d defend them.
From our previous comments on this, you have stated you didn’t personally lose out on AvP etc.
Yet you seem to have a real personal vendetta against these guys and Kickstarter in general.
Can you open up and describe exactly why you are on a crusade against these guys, so I can better understand where your coming from. Because your mud slinging looks indiscriminate and you have been making some pretty underhanded smears even against us over the last couple of years, despite the fact we were probably one of the few who instead of just sitting back, went out of their way to help as many backers as we could.
Just what exactly is your agenda here? Because it’s very difficult for me to help or respond with any kind of potentially positive outcomes, when I don’t really know what is driving this?
So pointing out the past KS failures of a company (under its various names) is a ‘personal vendetta’?
As for KS I am of the view that a platform that act in many cases as a pre-order system should not be allowed to evade consumer protection laws.
Your mileage may vary on both these points.
Crowdfunding should be a shared risk/reward for backers and creators. In the case of KS they take in money but share none of the risk. If a project fails the backer loses their money. In any other case where goods are being offered up, and money paid in advance, there would be consumer protection against non delivery or outright fraud.
I can see how this is great for KS shareholders, in much the same way as it works to the advantage of Facebook and Youtube to claim they are just a platform and NOT a publisher.
Ultimately this is your site, your forums, and your business. If negative comments about companies is something you do not want to see then the forum rules should be amended as such.
Lets not be coy here @tankkommander you have never been censored here so you don’t need to play victim on this, but it is very clear from your posting history that there must be some kind of personal issue at stake or at least something you have taken very personally.
All I’m asking is are you prepared to lay cards on the table so I can at least understand what the issue is and give some form of meaningful response that might actually make a difference, because otherwise you are likely to continue with the underhanded digs at us, and I’m going to continue to be at a loss of what to say to you that might make any bit of difference 🙂
> The reality is that the logistics of shipping to lots of individual backers is tricky.
I agree that logistics can be tricky — I’m familiar with some problems Ninja Division had with AvP, and their clarification of what role they played in AvP. However, AFAIK, Prodos still handled consumer inquiries of shipment.
> And it was not ARchon Studios who signed those contracts.
Archon is a shell company created by Jared, and the assets and staff of Prodos were transferred to Archon.
> Maybe start screaming at JASC for being shit too when they fail to deliver on their promise to ship to backers of the original kickstarter ?
AFAIK, JASC did not plagiarize another company’s ruleset, try to pull the shell game that Prodos did, have a “non-disclosure” agreement to hide their identity, or threaten to sue BGG:
1) They plagiarized Rum and Bones rules (1.0 not the newer 2.0 that kickstarted recently) word for word in numerous places.
3) They tried to hide they are basically Prodos 2.0 behind a self imposed NDA and only revealed it now that they got caught.
7) They lied on numerous occasions to their backers in AvP
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1581671/summary-findingsrisks-load-campaign-and-archon
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1582865/archonprodos-threatens-legal-action-against-bgg
As for Evil Dead 2, potential backers had plenty of discussion to not back the project.
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1608110/things-make-you-go-hmmmm
Quoted from the BGG thread :
“we will be searching legal advice as well. Hate, in any form, as presented on this forum in form of accusations without knowing the facts is weak if not illegal.”
That si not threat. Not even close.
Companies are expected to defend their brand/IP
And defamation/libel is actually punishable by law …
Your dislike for this Jared is showing.
If you want to see what real stupidity looks like then I’d suggest looking into ‘Digital Homicide vs Jim Sterling’. Those guys really went off the rails in their accusations and threats against a mere reviewer.
” legal action against users for finding public information on their family members”
Of course they would. Exposing info on private individuals with an intent to harass is not something that nice people do. Never mind that current privacy laws explicitly forbid that sort of thing … so Archon/Prodos would have even more legal reasons to sue if and when people do this.
Given the unnatural hatred of some people against this company I’d doubt that there is anything these guys could do to ever be ‘good’. And frankly a front page news item is not the place to start pissing on a company. We should be better than this.
> That si not threat. Not even close.
Our interpretations (yours vs. various BGG members) differ, then. It’s up to potential backers to decide whether or not Jarek’s behavior is acceptable to them. If it’s acceptable to you and you want to back his project, I’m not stopping you.
> Exposing info on private individuals with an intent to harass is not something that nice people do.
Actually, this research was to determine that Jarek was using name of other family members to create companies that he himself was actually in charge of. Why he was doing this I’m not aware of, but he did.
Im all for second chances, and giving people second chances when they have earned it. Which Archon, in my opinion, has earned it.
Backers are receiving their Cathedral sets now, and everyone that gets them are loving what the see and get. So far the only complaints are about not receiving proper tracking numbers.
They just showed all the new molds for the “Kazumi” (Aztec/mayan)themed sets, which are all looking awesome.
Also, in my own opinion, a lot of the failed deliveries where in fact delivered. I know for a fact several very vocal haters of Prodos did indeed receive their stuff, as two of them are friends of mine. But for various reasons of their own, the hate is still real and they still take any chance they get to bash Archon for it.
Not everything you read online is automatically true, just cause strangers say so.
I just remember to never spend more on a KS then I can afford to completely lose. Or if you are still unsure, just skip the KS and buy at retail. Sure you lose out on KS stretch goals, but there are always sales at retail.
The second chance will be if one or more Prodos / Archon projects fail, and they start taking a loss on a project. I’m not saying that this will happen for *this* project, but it’s always a risk for KS. Will Prodos / Archon start another shell company and leave backers behind? Will they mismanage compensating their backers for a failed project? Many “successful” deliveries were done when the backers made an *additional order* from Prodos / Archon.
I’m not in any hurry to see a KS creator project fail, but how Prodos / Archon handles one will definitely make me consider whether or not to back one of their projects in the future. For now, I’m not in any hurry to have any more dungeon tiles or miniatures to paint, particularly when two other KS creators, with better track records, have my and my wallet’s attention.
Any company in the situation that Prodos was in would have done the same.
Contracts with 3rd parties can be lethal and this is the only way out.
I fully disagree. Prodos and Valley games (Up Front KS) are the *only* companies I have found to create shell companies to transfer assets, while leaving liabilities (ie. KS backers) behind. I have read of some miniature companies who have sold their stock to other companies, and went bankrupt and unable to fulfill KS orders. Other creators, such as Middara and KDM, have gone so far as to use personal funds or seek loans to fulfill KS obligations.
While I’m not 100% sure. But I think the other company was setup as the original Prodos company was setup with other directors who were no longer involved, and it was a UK company etc.
As regards liabilities, again I’m not sure that’s the case unless you consider the above to be the liabilities. KS Backers do not form any kind of legal liability so forming a new company is not really necessary for that. They could have just completely walked away, but from the reports we received from those we worked with to help in the forums, they still kept delivering stuff, when the funds allowed.
And of course I’m still here to try and help anyone who still finds themselves in a hole to see what can be done. (just drop me a PM)
> While I’m not 100% sure. But I think the other company was setup as the original Prodos company was setup with other directors who were no longer involved, and it was a UK company etc.
Were you thinking of Cerebrum Games? That’s another company Jarek was somehow involved with… :/
Mark Rapson formerly of Cerebrum Games : “I worked approximately 20 hours a week for Prodos for promises and lies and on average £100 of expenses a month. I wised up.
I don’t believe Prodos Games are in financial issues. I do believe that the remaining ownership have an ethical approach to their employees, minor share holders, business customers or KS backers, that differs significantly to mine and what most people would consider normal. These reasons are why I left.
I set up Cerebrum between the same 3 owners but with me in control. JE has majoity of Prodos Games. I did this because I have 3 game ideas which I wanted to maintain ownership of. When it became clear that the remaining ownership of Cerebrum/Prodos Games would not support (and infact would actively inhibit these projects) I left and sold ALL shares to Prodos Games and closed down Cerebrum.”
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1582814/avp-post-ex-employee-mentioning-archon-one-four-le
> KS Backers do not form any kind of legal liability so forming a new company is not really necessary for that
True, but this is what Jarek did. As I understand it, Prodos does work for various clients. Who knows, they might have had other financial responsibilities at the time.
> And of course I’m still here to try and help anyone who still finds themselves in a hole to see what can be done. (just drop me a PM)
Thanks!
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