Weekender XLBS: The Cult Of The New; Are People Playing Too Many Games?
April 3, 2016 by crew
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@toxicvex that post and the thumbs down it generates makes me giggle every time.
I’ve taken to thumbs up’ing Toxic’s First posts as people clearly take offence to his playful trolling.
lol
@toxicvex clearly love getting all those negs, but surely you have something better to do at 6am on a Sunday than that?
Depends where they live. Could be between 6-8pm in the Antipodes
That’s the thing, I don’t.
Apologies I meant to hit thumbs up but my big fat fingers got in the way
Robotech RPG Tactics…
April 2013 — Rick Hunter Valkyrie render
April 2016 — …. still just a render
Without a doubt we are playing too many games. See if I say to someone want to play a game of … if there are less games in the market the chance of them knowing what I am talking about is higher, and if him his lady friend and some people want to have a game after dinner it is easier because there might be two or three people who know the rules. And then game does what all games are designed to.
Distract us, while we converse and enjoy ourselves.
If every time the answer I haven’t heard of that… your going to have a bad time. We are a niche market, but TSR has the answer to what happens to ultra niche even though some of my favourite settings come from that.
I do agree it is a challenge to find players.. but the competition for gamers and support does generally lead to better games… if PP and others hadn’t found a way to compete with GW and if the board game market hadn’t taken off, would we all just have monopoly, risk, and 4,000 pts of High Elves and Dark Angels on our shelves? It is easy to get distracted.. heck, that’s not just a gamer issue though.. it is an internet and news organization and pop music issue… I just keep hoping that the “good games” will survive the test of time and a few will rise to the top of the market and garner the support they deserve… if we can keep focused on them long enough =p
I think to an extent we can see it happening. Dropzone Commander seems to be still building fans, holding more tournaments, expanding ranges and having regular games being played.
Warmahordes and Infinity are both clearly doing well and are popular enough that they seem to be self-sustaining communities. (Although that said, it’s notable that all of the parent companies put a lot of effort into supporting their gaming communities.)
I’m sure there are some others – perhaps Kings of War might count? – and I know that these games are still relatively new compared to 40K, but they seem to be pretty established.
Happy Sunday!
Happy Sunday!
As someone who took receipt of only 2 new games in the post on Friday – whereas none arrived yesterday – of course I’m going to ask you to stop asking stupid questions!
That was 2 new board/card games arrived… do they count?
I have suffered from “the cult of the new”/shiny syndrome or “butterflying” between games since moving away from GW systems. I am now settling down to a few core systems mostly due to a stable group of players for these developing at club and my FLGS… but there’s always the lure of the new…
One trouble with some Kickstarters is you often end up with ALL the factions and a mountain of stuff you’ll never build… I’m looking at Guildball. the incoming Mercs and not too distant DropFleet Commander as being examples of this. Normally you’d pick one or two factions to focus on in a game. I’ve begun to try and avoid such traps… I did say try?
One KS pack sat there mostly unbuilt; but with a new extension coming out and about to be supported by my FLGS then hopefully they’ll get the attention they deserve and can be added to my personal core list of systems.
May I suggest however that one of my biggest problems is membership of this site. Dare I compare it with an online gambling site that’s just too tempting for people giving up going down to their local bookies? Just look at the column of temptation over there on the right getting constantly updated… 😉
Amen to all of that @coxjul !
So true, so true
I only gamed 2 periods for 35+ years then started watching BoW stuff, Infinity week came on and BAM, new game to collect. And being mainly a solo gamer I have to do several armies, though my daughter and wife both play Infinity. Curse you Beasts of War.
Still happy playing MERCs! Recon is nice, but I like MERCs. Would like to BoW team to revisit it at some point.
I’m hoping my low expectations of what’s coming through the Recon KS Wave 2 for TT will be exceeded. If it’s the quality (EU batch) that I expect then it’s likely the grey plastic will sit there while more interesting, better quality models with a robust ruleset stand out for my attention. They can;t afford to deliver a flaky TT 2.0 rulebook needing immediate FAQs and patches to be workable (like Myth and Recon rulesets have been).
WHERE IS v2.0!!! lol.. I am so hoping that takes off as it is a great game in so many ways!
Too many games? Too true, dude! And too little time.
Great show guys, again! I think the ‘Cult of the New’ has developed it’s own momentum, which cannot now be reversed. I think one way to ‘deal’ (live with it), is to strive to grow your local clubs, especially by recruiting ‘new blood’, ie, inexperienced and inquisitive potential gamers, thereby the probability will increase that you will find someone in either camp.
I fall into the Ben camp, but certainly am not immune to the Justin mind set and have recently invested in 4 new game systems! Doh! Shiny, Shiny! One difference with historical gamers, of which I am also, is the settings are thoroughly researched and documented and that there is usually just new rules sets which are published, allowing one to use existing figures and terrain to start playing, much easier, much, much cheaper and much quicker to get playing with, but, I appreciate that the ‘wargaming/hobbiest’ group, encompasses a very broad cross section of people, who’s individual respective ‘itches’ require a wide choice of ‘scratches’!
I recently (well, last year) moved across the country and so quickly found that my new LGStores had a very different collection of games than what I had before… so it did force my hand as despite having a good selection of “good games” with me, I adapted to the new set of games… I actually think it would be really interesting to somehow get a really good comprehensive poll of what gamers are playing in different parts of the country.. although honestly I think it might actually just boil down to individual clubs and stores.. but it would be interersting to see which areas do the most board games, skirmish games, mass combat, sci fi, fantasy, historical, sports, cards, dice, and pre-painted vs painted vs whatever else I’m forgetting… I know a few sites do a “poll” each year, but I don’t know if they divide up the results by geography as much as age, gender, and gaming experience…
Too many games? Nope there all the same game
Some how the rest of my comment disappeared. I continue to say that the shiny magpie affliction is powerful. 2-3 games is IMHO about as far as I will take it. The primary spot is for Infinity – best game ever, all other games feel like snap in comparison. I then defrag with Frost Grave – fun/slight competition/doesn’t need a lot of attention/fun again. I am dipping into Guildball – looks great, but I’m only doing it because everyone plays at my local club; yet to have a game and just have a Butchers Starter, and finally (yes that’s 4) I just bought a Lucius Guild Crew from a guy making cash for his Salute trip – I love the look and story behind Malifaux; demo game on Friday. Infinity No.1!!!!
I love Infinity too, and am just starting with Guild Ball. What appeals to me about both systems is how players are rewarded for thinking in terms of synergy. Guild Ball is massive on this (but then, it’s basically Malifaux with dice and a ball – and Malifaux is all about synergy).
One reason so many other games feel flat and ‘vanilla’ to me is that they fail to provide this extra dimension. And Age of Sigmar’s “be within x inches and reroll ones!” doesn’t count.
Four, tight, fun , skirmish sized games! If only I had such discipline…
Happy Sunday
Nooo a Tank has tracks not wheels
Great show guys. Love the work on the Nid Titan.
I wouldn’t say I’m playing too many games. I might say I’m buying too many 🙂
Any, shiny syndrome is what keeps an industry like wargames in business
Definitly to many games. I see something I can’t resist everytime. (Knight models marvel heroes, Imperial assault, dropfleet), and I already spend way to little time on the games I have.
But as long as I’m enjoying myself…
argh why does the backstage always crash at some point on my tablet
happy sunday…. so far a good show
on the subject of Superman v batman saw it last week… first superman film i have seen at the cinema since Superman 2 way back in 82 i think…not sure i am yet a fan of the direction of this but Wonder woman was the best charater in it. i did see an article the other day that said the new Superman v Batman film is too interllectual for the Marvel fans which made me chuckle
ok back to finding out how @johnlyons painted that 40k beastie
I think there can be balance within the cult of new. I love picking up a new system and usually dive head first into purchasing miniatures for it. But I also have played warmachine and hordes from day 1 and continue to play it on a weekly basis.
For me a ruleset I enjoy is the most important thing. Not the background which can help but i play games where i have never read the fluff. If a game is enjoyable then I end up wanting to experience it in as many different ways as possible.
If a player can have a core system or 2 that always keeps there attention they could then have 2 or 3 side games to cycle playing time around.
I dislike the cult of the new very strongly. Justin seems to think people can pick up a gazillion different systems and then just cycle them every week or so. In reality most people won’t be able to support more than a few systems due to time/money/interest. Further it all is depending on you having someone else to play with, and when the newest shinies draw all the gollums you won’t someone to play with.
I don’t think the ‘Cult of the New’ is a problem in miniature war gaming. In board games and card games it might be as you get a board/card game and you play it once and it will take a year before you play it again because there is always something new. As you said it is a very 1st world problem.
With miniatures I think we have an advantage that if you want you can use miniatures from any line in any game you want to play. I for the most part like to buy miniatures because I like the way they look. I have never bought a miniature because of what it was capable of in game.
Happy Sunday!
So…. The Cult of the New…. Have to say I blame BoW for me joining this cult! 🙂
There I was a few years ago, happy with my 30/40k….
Then you introduced me to Bolt Action….. so I bought the starter set….. and then I built a couple of armies…
Then you introduced me to Flames of War…..so I bought the starter set….. but couldn’t get anyone to play it much, so it gathered dust…
Then you introduced me to X-Wing….so I bought the starter set….. and a few more ships… and get the occasional game in between wiping off the dust….
Then you introduced me to Kickstarter…
From KS, I backed AvP…. nuff said, see yesterdays front stage show…
Then you introduced me to WWX….. so I backed the 2nd KS and it’s due to arrive in the next week…
Then you introduced me to Shattered Earth so I backed that….
From Bolt Action, I was introduced to Warlord as a company, which led to Gates of Antares…
So, in essence, it’s all your fault 😀
(But keep it up!)
Oh and that’s not mentioning all the other games I’m tempted to get…. I’m looking at you Dungeon Saga…
Happy Sunday!
I will weigh in on the Cult of the New from my perspective. I consider myself a Painter and Collector above gamer, not out of choice but out of neccessity because I do not have the time to always find and get a game in. I fall in the Justins idea of games running in cycles, this is where cult of the new and future suits me because I will buy games/models just to paint, I will make sure I have the numbers required to field them if need be. This allows me to paint cool models and get my fix but when I do get an opportunity for a game I have the collection to usually find one. Based on this conversation I thought I would write down what I have and have coming:
Have (In terms of it being completed):
WFB – Ogre Kingdoms
Blood Bowl – Dwarfs&Lizardmen
Batman – Watchmen
Bolt Action – Finnish
Flames of War – Soviet
Dropzone Commander – Shaltari
The Halo: Fleet Battles – Covenant
X wing – Empire
AVP (Non KS Backer)
Working on at the moment:
Kingdom of Death
40k – Tau
Incoming
Wild West Exodus – Confederates (Only a few days now!)
Halo Ground combat
Drop Fleet
Walking dead
Twisted
My glass cabinets look great if I say so myself and will looker even better in the year(s) to come
Great selection there. I’d be a gamer first and a painter second. I like the social aspect of playing.
My list is as follows:
40K:
tau
Necrons
Chaos space marines
Daemons
Guard
Warmachine:
Protectorate of Menoth
Cryx
Other Games:
Epic armageddon (Old collection)
Battlestar Galactica
Undercity
Dreadball
Space hulk
Team Yankee US
Terminator Genesis
Starting DC knight miniatures
So, loads of games. Other than Warmachine I have not played most of the others in over a year and some not at all. Shame
Another good show. Just leaves me wanting more. PS I’m with Ben and Lloyd on the subject of too many games. Maybe because it’s because I live in the country and there is not a club beside me but it’s very hard to get a consistent run of games. If only way more people were into table top gaming, then this problem would be totally solved. 🙁
There is too much choice and there is a cult of the new. In the last five years I’ve had to relocate because of work and I’ve found that no one plays the same games as I’ve been playing. In the past when there was less choice which meant you could always get a game with someone. It does mean that people have a bigger choice these days, but this means that we end up spreading ourselves far too thin across to many games. This could be a long term problem for companies with a player base that’s fickle, jumping from one system to another.
Great show thanks guys and happy Sunday
On the cult of the new: a post I saw on the Privateer Press forums sums it up perfectly. I’m paraphrasing but it was along the lines of “my hobby is buying miniatures; everything else like painting and playing is a side-effect”.
Historical gaming makes this less of an issue. I’ve painted a Welsh army for Saga, but with a few additions it’ll do for other games. Similarly the WW2 army I painted for Bolt Action is a WW2 army, rather than a Bolt Action army and it’ll do nicely for whatever’s next around the corner.
That said I’m painting Malifaux right now, and I’d struggle to use a 15 foor ice demon for anythnig else 😉
If you like Dungeon Keeper, War for the Overworld is a modern clone with the same guy doing the voice over
Happy Sunday! Like the new ‘Ben in a box’ screen layout this week.
Great show – I am a proud member of the cult of the New, but I also found that a few games have the longivity to hang around. Primary examples are Dropzone Commander and Infinity – so if I been to a bootcamp I guess I am invested in them enough to keep them around. Team Yankee I been unable to find other players for so that been send into a wait and see
Likewise on Dropzone as for Team Yankee probably going to off load it at sonr point
Team Yankee I’m having challenges as well in getting games together. We’re doing okay with our Soviet forces, but at least here, a lot of us find playing 1980s-90s Americans a little dull since we’ve “done it” it in real life. Some out with some British or Germans already! A handful of Leopard IIs and I’d be golden. COME OUT WITH THIS STUFF ALREADY! We’ve been limping along with Zvezda 15mm models for now, but come on!
Other than that, my favorite games (Panzer Blitz / Leader / Arab Israeli Wars) came out in 1971, 74, and 77 respectively. Been playing them since 1983 and still play them to this day. Yes, they are THAT replayable, the first of their kind – but I guess that only reinforces the point that historical wargaming is a little more resilient to this cult of the new madness.
I guess my point is . . . I’m with Ben on this one. Grumpy old grognards forever! Welcome to the club, @brennon . Indeed, you’re a little too young for our club, but for you we;ll make an exception. 😀
Being a historical gamer I do buy lots of sets of rules. The big advantage is that I only have to buy one set of figures to use all those rules with
Raging Heroes Jet Girls, i`m liking these and with a bit of conversion work they`d look better.
Relic Knights, now these are some very nicely done mini`s. I like the game play as described by Justin, may consider at some point in getting the starter box
Choose Your Own Adventure, not had a look yet, but will nip over later on to day and have a look.
Ramshackle Bikers, i`ve got these guy`s on my K.S watch list. Now that Justin has pointed out you can use them with Mantic`s Forge Father`s, think it`s time to dig out the squad`s i have and see what`s required to finish them off.
The Cult of the New, as i still have and from time to time play with the old stuff, i can take or leave new stuff. If i see something new and shiny and i feel a tug (such as Drop Fleet Commander), then it`s getting bought, But if i see something new and shiny and no tug then it`s left alone. So for me it`s a case of, “Tug” buy it “No Tug” don`t buy it.
with the game table setup they have today , are the ’tiles’ , ie the multilevel city streets with teh slope from a manufacturer?
In regards to the nifty Bat Vehicle…..There are NO TRACKS, therefore it is NOT a tank. It is a Bat AFV.
Happy Sunday hangover
The number of games spills over for me into the realm of RPG’s where there is so little time to tell all the interesting stories that each setting provides.
Relic Knights looks better than I thought, looks like fun. But, buuuuuuut, I like big buts and I cannot lie that I have the shiny syndrome too and have recently decided on just a few core ranges of minis to buy from and games to play.
As @lloyd mentioned, I went after a few kickstarters too and lost interest in them after having to wait a long time for them, especially when my Dust KS was delayed for a year. I have lost interest in Dust because of that, and now there is a new Dust 1947 rulebook that’s out, not too long after I got the last “new” rulebook, I can’t be bothered with it. Indeed it was the bad handling of the KS that soured the whole interest I had in the game, but the wait did dull my fervor and enthusiasm for it. Now I’m looking at the minis from it and wondering if I should sell them or use them in another game, or just keep them to enjoying painting them.
I found another KS to back which is the one-man band effort Wasteman, because I really wanted to see this lone guy succeed and because his game sounded like a load of fun and was really up my street with his 80’s movie influences. Soon after the KS ended I got my stuff, and a few more minis from this website and have planned to get and make bits solely for this game to play. Because I have a limited number of people who might play wargames/boardgames I also chose this skirmish game so that I had few minis to paint and if I get a chance to play the game with them, we can have a quick go and a good laugh without getting bogged down in flicking through rulebooks and codices (even though my fave is 40K/30K, the rules and background are just too much digest for a quick game that noobies want to play for an hour before they head off home. In the 40K/30K instance it’s mainly for the hobby aspect that I’m into it).
With my skirmish game of Wasteman in particular, I can quickly describe the setting; that the world was engulfed in a massive nuclear war, years later man surfaced from their shelters, mostly mutated, apart from the rich corporations who escaped to the moon, and now it’s the era of the Wasteman, where you must survive in weird and wonderful posses and syndicates. I can paint up a few minis each, make up some mad scenarios (maybe a defective bot has lost it’s toupee and is on the rampage and must be avoided before it self destructs etc) and get gaming. I might even use the minis from the Dust KS for it.
So I think that’s just what you have to do; take a serious stock of what you are actually playing or able to play or are interested in collecting to paint, and just stick to them. Otherwise you will buy the Betrayal at Calth game plus extra BaC minis from a bitsandkits.co.uk so that you can have more 30K terminators and two Contemptors and the extra characters, ready for whenever FW bring out those Space Wolves Legion upgrades and transfer sheets that you’ve been waiting ages for, like me; AND then have an eye on the new Deathwatch Overkill game whilst you tell yourself ‘GW is sure to bring out those Overkill minis out as separates kits, surely, they’re too good not too, I’ll wait till then’ lol!
Btw @dignity, you looked at those Raging Heroes female flying minis and mentioned their “two massive cannons”… Stay classy Justin, lol. 😀
Damn, didn’t meat to write so much again! 😀
*mean
double damn lol! 😀
@lloyd You get in the cinema for £3?! I’d save money by flying to Coleraine and going to your local cinema rather than hitting my local!
@dougiemonster, I know right! 🙂
As for me I never got caught up in the shiny shiny I always play just one game and right now that oncene game is infinity
Eyooooo ! I didn’t expect to hear about AJ in this vid.
And, … BvS had issues, but i personally found it more enjoyable than AoU as welll.
Really interesting discussion about the cult of the new. I am really in deep with this. I buy a lot of new games and also buy a lot of older game stuff (confrontation and man o war for example) problem is I’m on a 2 year work contract in a different country so I don’t even get to play them. I justify it by saying I’m keeping it for my new son and will play it all with him when he gets older. Perhaps I do need to settle on a few systems and narrow my collection of boxed stuff I have stored. Maybe it’s time to finally sell my hordes of rackham stuff?
Happy sunday,
i really enjoy that show , i like you guy’s i think we are buying to many games and not playing enough of them , for me time missing is a big problem , sometime i don’t even had the time to finish to built my army then the guy’s already are in to another one so i am comming back on ready stuff i meen if the miniatures was already built and painted so i could have the time to try my game more often so i think i will concentrate on the one i prefer built them and them try to find someone to play that game till we are a little bored so then and only then i will try another one , and all you guy’s where saying i could recognize my self in it and i am not enjoying some games enough
good show again
Great show today guys:)
I buy minis to paint them, rarely play with them. I do not back any KS because usually the minis will show up in stores sooner or later and I do not have to be the first to get them. Well, I buy minis from the ranges I want to paint and when it comes to playing I play Warmachine and SAGA these days. Sometimes something else.
As Warren always says When Justins right he’s right. I’m old I cope quite well changing games all the time. I have my core of favourites I keep going back to and when I do I feel refreshed.
I am guilty of the cult of the new, but I balance that since I’m a collector as well. I’ve been picking up the Osprey Wargames books and have been having fun trying out the new rules with every new book. If we like it it gets played again, and since most of them are model neutral I can use stuff I already have or pickup the new stuff.
Great show love the NID Titan john,
Thanks for another awesome, packed show guys!
Finaly some Relic Knights! And there are some “new” stuff coming out for it in the months ahead.
I suffer from the shinny syndrome a bit and the cult of the new but, i’m with Justin on this, i always come back for my older stuff… I always try the blend my terrain through different games so i don’t buy some more and me and my friend rotate between games systems each week, though sometime we play 2 types of game in a day…
Cya next week!
Great show. Another great piece by John. I think it’s cool that there are so many games these days. It does get hard to find players but if you can afford it I like to build two armies so I can demo games and build up a player base for the games I enjoy the most that may be lacking opponents.
I think the discussion about the Cult of the New/Future is just polarizing shiny syndrome which any wargamer suffers from. As for the Historical being immune having resistance to this Oh Really. Just ask about there unpainted lead mountain, given the age of some hordes it probably actually is lead!
Wargaming even most Historical as ‘what ifs’ require imagination, and its how something fires our imagination fires the new shiny must have feeling. This is something that I’ve woke upto in just the past few months, and about why I have an incomplete feeling like maybe Brennon was talking about. It was brought home to me reading about an ongoing series of wargaming campaigns done by Charles Grant (father and son) in Wargaming Battlegames magazine and what I’ve actually had fun with over the last year.
So @brennon you want to know how to combat Cult of the New, this is actually fairly easy and something that more successful production companies do – CAMPAIGNS, Warlord did one last year and more to follow I’m sure, Infinity with our own BoW are running, FFG are running one right now with the release of Star Wars Rebellion. The thing is to really get the best out of a campaign really requires concentrating on that setting to develop it and the forces you pitch into it. Aside from Campaigns there are Leagues which can also get support especially when in a FLGS.
Over the last 12 months i have played a smattering of Boardgames, and Card games like love letter. I have played Bolt Action (1 Demo game), Lion Rampant a number of times which was fit in between the weeks of a 12 week campaign run of Imperial Assault. Since the start of the year I’ve been playing pretty much X-Wing and that is ongoing due to a tournie followed by a LEAGUE in our FLGS with a tournie to follow at the end.
So I’m deciding to pretty much stick with Star Wars over the next year and look at a Boardgame or two for 1 shot nights in between, SAGA (which has a campaign coming out), TANKS, Star Wars, and Star Trek Attack Wing, so a balance of play and go, Boardgames, Prepaint Gaming and work on 2 actual Wargame Project SAGA and Star Wars.
I wish I could find the time and the discipline to game like @dignity .
I think the Cult of the New contributes to, and is made worse by other changes that affect people like me: mid 30s now, less time to play, friends I used to play with are more dispersed and don’t all have time and/or inclincation to play either, not necessarily interested in going along to a club to play random people (which is odd, as i’ve been to a few tournaments recently and really enjoyed them)…
As people got frustrated with and drifted away from 40K – including myself – and started experimenting with other games, I do feel we all lost momentum. It does take a lot more effort to organise and play games these days.
It’s partly why i’ve been buying board games (and yes, suffering a bit from the cult of the new there too, although I do find it easier to find time to play, so easier to play favourite games more often).
Another factor that was only really touched on was the way the cult of the new is impacting the design of games and companies. It’s not just that games are picking up skirmish games, but game companies are moving towards making games that are easy and cheap to pick up, easy to learn and introduce to people and in many cases, are relatively self-contained so as to be Kickstarter friendly. Not saying that I have a problem with any of those things, but it does mean we see less complex / deep games and less large battle games.
I think I’m with @lloyd all the way this weekend 🙂 Transformers Gen 1… Dungeon Keeper… even sitting square on the fence with the Cult of the New discussion!
I think much of it has to do with external factors: If you don’t have to worry about “when can I fit in some gaming this week/month/year” (the last one for me) then you can jump from game to game easily. Similar to what @angelicdespot said above, I’m mid 30’s, family, full time work, home maintenance, split attention between books wanting to be read, movies/tv shows wanting to be watched, then try find space for gaming/hobby?? I’ve moved, my old gaming mates I rarely see, they’ve moved on to games I’ve never played. Newer mates are into stuff I don’t have time or money to get into, but it all looks really cool and interesting.
When I spend money on gaming now I have to consider :What am I going to do with this/ use it for?” can it work in more than one game or army? That’s how I deal with my shiny syndrome, that and not having any disposable cash…
I think the hierophant needs to be on a clear, telescoping base with a ball and socket joint at the join of the model. This way it can climb up walls on buildings and straddle across gaps on building tops
John, you’re welcome (insert appropriate evil laugh)!
LMAO, the grumpy gamer XLBS, great show, these ones should be live @lloyd, @brennon and Mr. Optimism @dignity
I’m a realist, we all love new shiny toys and getting to play new games is just fun. 😛
Great Weekender.
Cult of the new?
I have fallen into the shiny trap too often.
Worse still I will be headed to Salute with money in my hand.
“I aim to misbehave…”
I am not looking for more games. I am just hunting for people to play and I too often fall in love with the new additions to the games I have.
I have fairly large collections of Infinity and Bolt Action and small collection of X-wing that I have played with, but not all painted and table ready.
I have the Terminator core set, a collection of Pike and Shotte Warlord Highland and Covenant miniatures and Saga and Tomahawk and Musket miniatures that either I have not started painting or never even gotten beyond the initial shiny moment unboxing. (This feels shameful to write down.)
To make things worse I am awaiting fulfilment of the Infinity RPG and The Walking Dead all out war kickstarters to arrive one day.
My only play partner in this is my 10 year old son. And after a lot of quid spent on Infinity, because I love to paint them and love the fluff, he says he prefers x-wing. The shelf looks lovely with painted miniatures, but I do feel aggrieved that I have had to resort to playing against myself to get a game. Very difficult to play games alone objectively and get much out of it.
Happy Gaming… If you can get a game … 🙁
It sounds like Ben is a bit peeved no one wants to play Rage of Sigmar, I think that has more to do with it not being a game worthy of having time and money dropped on it rather than ‘the cult of the new’
Sorry but I have to agree with Ben. I am on a pension and unable to keep up with the new stuff that is coming out. I Have just finished painting an army, not a fast painter, and I can’t get a game at my club as everyone seems to have moved on. They have now started talking about a new wargame rule that is coming out in April. I am hoping to buy it, but by the time I can afford to buy another army and paint it they will have moved on and I will not get a game again. I just can’t seem to keep up and I can’t believe I am the only one. It is great there are so many games but why can’t we play last weeks game. Why is it always only next weeks game?
Got Lloyd at the end there Justin! LOL!
lol – sod!
Cult of the new can be a problem for the hobbyist and it definately takes a lot of restraint not to be drawn into especially when you look at the quality of products being released!
I good way to prevent it is to just buy more of your current system… 🙂
I’d like to adhere to the Cult of the Continuum. I’m looking to the future to find the gems in development. While I wait for them to arrive I play and paint what I presently own. And after a while I dust off some things I’ve played/collected in the past. I might play the old game or migrate some of the old models into present games. Only if a game and its components has become completely obsolete will I do away with it entirely.
p.s. Not to say I don’t have plenty of backlog stuff lying around. Whatever your Cult you can’t stop Shiny Syndrome. 🙂
Great to see some Relic Knights on Beasts of War, look forward to the upcoming week of coverage!
I agree that the cult of the new can be a problem, but it’s down to how we ourselves act – if we want to play a specific game we need to support it in our groups, and not get distracted ourselves by the new Shiny. IMHO this is can be a worse problem with RPGs than miniature games, because there’s less time invested to be ready to play. But as games involve fewer miniatures, the cost in time & effort of moving on from a game is less.
Tournaments and campaigns are definitely the way to keep people involved in your preferred game.
Playing? No. Buying? Yeah…