Weekender XLBS: Star Wars Lore Feedback & Hobby Workstation Pride!
March 11, 2018 by warzan
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Happy Sunday Everyone and thanks for joining us!
Remember I’d love your feedback and thoughts on escalation and slow grow leagues 🙂
This is a stupid time to be awake but at least I can watch the XLBS show. Now if I can just get to the kettle in the dark I will be all set.
Happy Sunday all.
Happy Sunday from down under
Happy sunday!
*reads title*
work station pride… I’m sure I have a workstation under these empty glue bottles, random tools, bits of paper, scraps of card, chunks of foam and plastic offcuts….
Happy Saturday **yawn**, I mean Sunday morning! Finally ready for bed … but now I want to watch this! 😀
@oriskany I gotten to know that feeling too well
Rise and shine, the sun is already up here ^^
We’re just letting you it for awhile, while we catch up on a bit of sleep. 😉 😛 😉
Happy Sunday!!!
Those miniatures from CMON are absolutely lovely, when the review of them comes up I would be interested to know what they are made of and are they multipart, pre-assembled or single cast?
On the Star Wars front and camoflauge. I would imagine units stationed on those planets would have their wargear adapted for that specific planet, snow troopers for example. A lot of the time in the movies we are seeing units that have not been long in system and usually that are reacting to Intel. The other thing much like the Warhammer 40k universe it is mainly the Imperial Army that does the fighting with the Stormtroopers acting as a specialist option of lower numbers and there are quite a few references in other lore of them having camoflauge.
It’s funny how many characters for the rebels are traitors especially amongst the pilots, Star Wars Rebels opened my eyes to this from flashback scenes as it is something I hadn’t really thought about.
Awesome show.
I’m a fan of slow grow leagues if the system can handle it. For example the Hobbit Battle Companies has got a few of my friends into the game because it’s essentially just The Hobbit with less minis. I’ve really enjoyed Battle Companies but it’s definitely an outlier.
With 40K or Flames of War I personally prefer to just build my lists and buy what I can before I game with it.
That being said my Anglo-Sudan War stuff is a slow grow project since the system works just as well at lower points.
So I guess for me I enjoy slow grow leagues if the game scales up and down well. I’m a huge fan of narrative campaigns that escalate but I’ve never done one without having almost everything I need. Maybe it’s the pressure of letting down your excited opponent or maybe it’s just me but I tend to not have as much fun playing slow grows.
The Heroforge minis are of a similar quality to Walking Dead, with this in mind you could easily do the whole team, grab a custom mat using Google Earth of the River House and give Lloyd a build project to make the petrol station, the courthouse and surf n turf as a setting. BoW Zombie Apocalypse, people could come on Sundays with their own characters and get involved or play team members as they do a food run during a post apocalyptic Boot Camp.
You forgot the ice cream van scenario
Happy Sunday!!
For some reason when I clicked on the hyperlink to this page on my tablet I was asked to choose between my broswer and a podcast player… Interesting!!
All Justin needs to do now is:
– convert his chair into a commode
– install a small fridge and microwave within reach
… and he’s set!
Escalation leagues can come in two forms:
– escalation over a short time, for example a weekend tournament
– escalation over a longer period, for example at a club where maybe you aim for a round every week or fortnight..
The benefit of it in a short tournament is that the smaller, earlier games can be got through quickly as the event builds to a climax with larger encounters. The issue is that players pretty much have to have all their pool of minis ready to go.
The long format can be a very useful way of getting a group into a game, the time between rounds allows players to select, buy, build and paint (to whatever standard is acceptable – think inclusive) their next increment. Starting with simpler models (with the simplest rules) and gradually allowing new classes with their new rules means the collections and the learning can be done iteratively and incrementally. My club did an Infinity excalation league over a few months, starting with a single model, then 50 points and adding 50 points each round up to a full 300. You could allow hacking/heavy/tags at the different levels meaning that the rules focus was common to the whole group each week (make a leap from 200-300 for the last two rounds to buy the tags).
Happy Sunday,
Justin, you are so single lol. Fair play to you!
On slow grow leagues I have found that unbalanced army selections tied to pre-determined scenery layout, based on story driven segments or campaigns helps keep things interesting. A game that would really benefit from this is Star Wars Legion but this can easily be expanded to also include X-Wing as part of that. This would help massage the army list selection for the ground based games and army selection options based on what transports made planetfall. You could even move into the middle ground of these two games with a set up like your Endor one which Lloyd did, this would then help limit the amount of larger vehicles on the field and the fighters and bombers target the likes of AT-ATs.
Your Star Wars Legion game at this point would become that key objective side game leading to big game advantages. Something you guys have talked about across a number of gaming genres. At which point you can smile and shout to your heart’s content “The shield is down, the shield is down!”
@warzan this might help http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Jakku
also http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Starkiller_Base
But the Bunker is in Ballymena!
Happy Mother’s Day all!
Won’t be able to watch this today as I will spend the day spoiling the missus 😎
The kids who were meant to help are still in bed..typical teenagers.
Well, time to serve breakfast.. 😉
@waran ref the battle of Jakku and the Super Star Destroyer, there’s some great stuff on the Jakku map of Battlefront (not BFII but the last one) where (if you can avoid getting your ass shot off) you can eventually see the SSD crash into the planet, and it’s a stunning visual.
And ah yes, the Celestials, Centrepoint Station, and the Rakkataan Infinite Empire. the GFFA has some wonderfully gonzo stuff behind it.
Whilst they are now classed as Legends I’d reccomend checking out three of the old Dark Horse comics series for more craziness – Dawn of the Jedi, Knights of the Old Republic (a prequel to the video games) and Legacy (set 140 years after Yavin).
Also, Star Wars Rebels. It’s just finished it’s run this week and if you dug the cosmic engineering and the weirder parts of the lore, this’ll be right up your ally….
Oh, and @warzan well chosen with the Republic Commando books. I ADORE them (and Hard Contact is the first)
For a Weekender I would be happy just Lloyd and Gerry chatting in the kitchen about gaming stuff or even just a podcast of it
That is understandable @torros and I would enjoy that too but 1, we’d need to have an @avernos available and 2, if we move the studios around @lloyd would be at the absolute center of all that work 🙂
Interesting . Lloyd always struck me as more of a facilitator ie sitting drinking tea while pointing at things that need done with a blackboard pointer
Morning all, I have posted the storage solution I use for projects in the hobby room thread. I also had a crack at the heroforge solution which I think is great, I went for the STL option to print from home and the result is well what you expect from a home printer but certainly ok for tabletop but won’t come close to what the big companies can do. I will post the results somewhere.
Have a great weekend
Escalation, journeyman, slow grow leagues?. I gave no idea what any of this means. Please explain
They all mean the same thing really. I’ll use Warmachines Journeyman as the example. You ‘d start the league with lists of say, 30 points, play all opponents at that level, then the next round of games could be 50 points and the final round of games at 75 points.
Cheers
Here is a modular workshop system helping you organise your hobby table
http://www.hobbyzone.pl/en/
Happy Sunday!
Great video again thanks guys.
For me, the original ‘tale of 4 gamers’ type scenario is the best way for a journeyman league to be structured.
That is, a basic starting point of a starter box or whatever applies to that particular game,and then a spending limit for each addition every month. It keeps everything balanced, spending restrictions work well if either straight amount of money or points. and its key to enabling the group to progress and learn together.
@warzan I hope reading the Republic Commando books will give you a new perspective on the Clone Wars, how Order 66 happened and how nobody saw it coming, including the Jedi.
Which one is best to read first mate?
Hard Contact is the first one in the series. Enjoy 😀
Oh and Order 66 (the fourth book in the series) seems to be missing but hopefully it is on a shelf somewhere in the office!
Great series. I’m finishing 501t now!!!
Be warned though the author had a falling out with them after the 501st novel and you have to go to a site that she did to get how she intended to wrap up the series.
I have not been to it yet as I don’t want a spoiler to ruin it for me. My buddy Drew told me about that.
Indeed. The short version is that there were many tiers of cannon under Lucas and a lower tier fact that is never overridden is cannonical only until something higher up the tiers says otherwise.
I don’t think anyone ever got permission to create some Star Wars lore without being warned about this but maybe some professional courtesy got overlooked in this case? Who knows. I heard that after establishing so much Mandalorian lore in the books, Karen Traviss found out from a Clone Wars visual guide that Lucasfilm were going to do something totally different that invalidated what she had written and was still writing. It doesn’t affect the arc of the first four Republic Commando books, but it’s why the Imperial Commando arc didn’t get finished.
Love the riseng sun figures @dracs the tree would make a great oldman Willow for your hobbits game.
Happy Susususususunday
You could get one of them giant LOL balls to make a death star (60£) @warzan the third battalion is the black watch Guy’s.
Happy sunday folks!
Happy Sunday!
First of all, thanks again for all the great content you guys put out. I really enjoy the way BoW have created a community, and interacting with it forms the basis of so much of the content.
On slow grow leagues, the only thing I’ve ever come across before is the “tale of X painters/gamers” format.
On the face of it, it seems like a great way to quickly get up and running in a game. The problem is as soon as I make an honest assessment of the timescales/point levels they work on, the likelihood that I would drop out seems extremely high. I’m just such a slow and sporadic painter, and occasional gamer.
I tend to enjoy formats I can drop in and out of more than anything involving a regular commitment.
Great show guys the problem I have with rules is remembering them only playing a few time’s a year thing seem to leek out of the brain box? Lol
I bought into the Rising Sun Kickstarter just for the minis – they are stunning.
Happy Sunday talking on learning rules, I had the experience yesterday of playing Dragon Rampant yesterday for the first time, picked it up in 5mins it was a great fun fantasy game and even got to dust off my Warhammer Fantasy First generation Brettonians for the game they have not seen the light in 20 years..lol
Forbes: How Much Would It Cost to Build the Death Star from Star Wars?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolpinchefsky/2012/02/21/how-much-would-it-cost-to-build-the-death-star-from-star-wars/#610afa717c73
Even if you can imagine quite a bit, Centives, the economics blog of students of Lehigh University, says it would cost “$852,000,000,000,000,000. Or roughly 13,000 times the world’s GDP” to build the Death Star…and that’s just the cost of steel production.
It turns out that it would take more than money to build a fully operational battle station. It would take cold, hard steel, made from hot molten iron. Although the Earth’s crust doesn’t have enough, the Earth’s core, on the other hand, has iron aplenty. In fact, Earth has enough iron at its core to produce 2 billion Death Stars—a veritable Death Galaxy.
@warzan
Books, since they are sitting on my self:
Star Wars Republic Commando: Hard Contact (October 26, 2004) Book 1
Star Wars Republic Commando: Triple Zero (February 28, 2006) Book 2
Star Wars Republic Commando: True Colors (October 30, 2007) Book 3
Star Wars Republic Commando: Order 66 (September 16, 2008) Book 4
Star Wars Imperial Commando: 501st (October 27, 2009) Book 5
@justin — YES, a shorter video of the rules of the game and the general mechanics then the. Also, scan of all the cards and pop them up during the post editing of the play through.
Regardless, no matter what you are teaching you better know it fairly cold yourself so you can be fluid in your initial discussion.
argh! hopefully BoW.Next will allow editing of comments!
Those Rising Sun minis are giving me a Japanophile eye I never knew I had.
I wonder if the Empire has something similar to what moderns army’s have today?. So I wonder what the organisation of the Imperial catering corps of the Veterinary Corps for example would like
When Warren was talking about the size of the galaxy etc I couldn’t help but think of Johns Prussonians. I am sure there would be some lost Imperial/Old Republic garrisons out there by that would be fun to model with all sorts of ramshackle and cobbled together vehicles etc
Damn you Sam. That Rising Sun stuff looks amazing. Just to get the models to paint would be beyond a total dream. Board games aren’t really my thing but wow those minis…
I played Rising Sun on wednesday, its a really great game but the minis are fantastic. Its definitely worth picking up.the game just for the minis. The Turtle clan’s forts can move which is cool.
Happy Sunday!
I’ve only played one ‘growth/escalation’ thing and that was Rookie League at Steamcon. Basically taking one Guild Ball player from ‘absolutely pointless’ all the way to ‘massively overpowered.’ It was great fun for a convention event but I’m not so sure I’d enjoy it at my local club if we did it over a number of weeks. I’d feel it would be ‘too slow’ when parcelled out over a relatively long period of time. Perfect for a short three day ‘intensive gaming’ convention as well.
One aspect I did absolutely love about Rookie League though was the relatively simple format for advancement. You didn’t need xp, you didn’t need to record what you had done, the player didn’t even have to have even added to your game in any way whatsoever. All you had to do was play a game with them, then go report if you won or lost and do your upgrade. Win or lose you knew your Rookie was going to get better, so even if you lost 12-0 the game didn’t feel pointless as you got progress.
I had a wee squeal for “Next” Cannot wait for this feature. I only share stuff on BOW and this sounds fantastic to keep up and to stop me multi posting which does not sit right. it should also focus people on the project and bring the form format together. LOVE IT! Does an impatient happy dance. If your ears start burning every few days it’s because I am talking about it, you and is it done yet! Also love the QR code idea. Squeeeeeeeal Don’t know why I am so up for this.
I’m really glad you like the idea mate. The early days of next will be a bit scrappy, but the migration will mean a big shift for BoW and how we do stuff, and it will allow us to start ‘continuously improving’ functions and features on an almost weekly basis rather than the ‘locked in’ situation we are in at the moment 🙂 (so basically we hope to improve and shape stuff to constantly fit better with the communities needs)
Great show guys. Loved everything in the show, but………………. I started to sweat pretty hard when you talked about a possible set change for the Weekender set!
I’m the guy who has built he’s own Weekender Set!
Glad to hear your trying to keep it the same after the move.
As a side note, I am just now finishing up the camera setup and switching equipment.
Hopefully I’ll be recording something to share with the community in the near future.
Woo Hoo Cant wait to see it! 🙂
In reply to your musings @warzan about Star Wars landing bays with shiny black floors there is Laser Terrain Co. who produce such a thing already. I’m sure 4Ground would do a splendid job but these guys have a small range that they self-funded after a failed Kickstarter a few years ago which got a bit of coverage on BoW. The thing about this product is that it includes a floor lighting pad which fits under the terrain pieces and shines through designs etched into the surface. Looks spectacular when the room lights are out. I was really interested before but I’m not sure sufficient funds will be available this time:
https://www.facebook.com/events/1794885853908338/
Good luck with the studio switch around. Look forward to getting Weekenders back again before Easter.
@warzan the Royal Irish Regiment is still active.
Thanks for that @warhammergrimace 20 years passing had left me wondering! 🙂
And its good to still see them wearing the Caubeen and Green Budgie! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caubeen
It’s gotten me thinking about doing some Brits now, as I need an opposition to the Empress PLA I have to paint up.
Yep still active and even served over in Iraq and Afghanistan as late as 2010. I am not sure that any one makes the caubeen, but I think Empress miniatures “BRIT10 Fusilier Heads with Hackles” should work painted up in rifle green.
I have purchased many Empress modern figs. PLA, Russian Federation and American troops and they paint up nicely.
They can also be used for Sci-fi or what if modern ops if the real world operations are not your cup of tea. Example I have been eyeing some of the Prodos Games Alien Vs Predator line. The Preds and Xenos scale pretty well with the Empress moderns.
Or RIR vs cyber men or Delks in doctor who style games.
Could have the have them doing a Peace keeping operation in Ruritania, when the Zenda’s Peoples Front attacks!
Justin Definitely do a 2 turns slow on Star Wars Legion if you can. That’s one I really need to get a better understanding on and I’m finding myself lost often during the lets plays.
@warzan tossed a couple of storage ideas for ya on the hobby space thread.
Good luck guys on the reorg, that’s always a challenge, but the wall shelves and hobby counter along the long wall in the hobby hall sounds great!!!!
Yeah the Skype for the FOW game that we did was fairly easy. I took my IPAD hung it from the ceiling above the gaming table and Drew got a birds eye view of the game as it progressed. He got a lot of painting done on his end while we battled it out. It was a blast!!!!
Wife is coming to Coleraine May. Will see if she has some room for some Twinkies and Milk Duds!
Cheers!!!!
HAPPYY SUNDAYYY..
https://youtu.be/TvcXW_dNrRg
@warzan ” you’ve taken your first step in a larger world”
STAR WARS cannon is something else but knowing where to go beyond the movies is a debate in its self. STAR WARS has its well known three phases, the OT, the prequels and now Disney . then there is of coarse the legends/legacy material. the original trilogy was all about the movies, the marvel comic and kenner action figures. the prequel trilogy era was of coarse about the movies but the Clone wars animation series was a big deal and should be your first port of call from this era outside of the movies, not least because its easy to absorb and your kids will love it. along with the original trilogy and the prequel movies it’s the only thing included in Cannon. in the realm of collectables this was the time of master replicas, seriously warren mate type in best STAR WARS collections and you’ll see some seriously cool stuff from this period. spanning the period from after the original trilogy up until Disney took over was the legends/legacy era. as we know it started with Westend games legendary STAR WARS RPG, which started to expand beyond the confines of Lucas’s work. it gave rise to the novels and the comics, now with dark horse, which together formed what we know as legends/legacy. legends/legacy is a massive subject and one for another day. but in short it was without question hugely influential and continues to be so. it does have consistency issues though and it split opinion in the STAR WARS community as to its place in cannon.
we have now entered the Disney era and the ordering of the STAR WARS has been set in motion, enter the STAR WARS story group. this group of individuals are steeped in STAR WARS law. they are mostly Westend games STAR WARS RPG players from back in the day and are a mix of original trilogy guys and gals and prequel era generation, which goes hand in hand with the legends/legacy cannon. they are fully aware of how much great material was produced, but are also keenly aware of its draw backs. they have chosen to take the story in a different direction while still mining Legends/Legacy for material.
now everything is cannon. it has to pass though the story group to be published so as to create a unified cannon.
i found myself in the same boat a few years ago. i was an Original trilogy child and like all of us utterly blown away by the experience. i saw the prequels when they came out and saw the clone wars animation series but the whole legends/legacy era passed me by.
and here we find ourselves back in the hobby and at the dawn of a new era in STAR WARS.
now how to approach it and where to start?
i’m not going to tell you how to approach it as it depends what most draws you in.
i will say that pretty much all the STAR WARS community watches the clone wars and rebels animated series as well as the movies and i would have thought the new live action tv series will fall into that category. after that take it where you want. from collectors to droid builders to hardcore RPG cannon guy, all are welcome.
i love STAR WARS and i love RPG so getting into the cannon was a logical step. i chose to go with the new cannon novels and the new marvel comic as it’s official cannon and it seemed the logical place to start. i have dipped my toe into some of the legends/legacy dark horse comics and have loved them and will definitely work my way through the rest of the legends/legacy comics. i intend to pick up some of the best Legends/legacy novels in due time but they will be the last piece in the puzzle. i’m upto speed with they current STAR WARS novels and am happily working my way through the comics. i’m a bit of a collector so i have a few nice collectors pieces as well to go along with my STAR WARS RPG and cannon books.
if you want some direction in the new cannon the aftermath series is a three book series set after return of the jedi up to and including the battle of Jakku, you were quoting bits of that story line today., and bloodlines set after this. if or when you’ve seen the clone wars animation series then you should read the Ahsoka novel and dark disciple as they are clone wars episodes that were never made. if and when you’ve seen rebels animation series then read thrawn. which would be a good place to step into legends/legacy and read the most important work of that cannon in the thrawn trilogy. you will get a clear view of how legends/legacy and cannon operate. it’s basically the same character but his story arc is very different.
ok too long already and you have asked a least three more questions i haven’t got round to.
So very much agree with all of this 🙂
why thank you sir
When it comes to storing each project in a self contained way, I use cookie trays (dead cheap). The first thing I do after assembling miniatures is to add self adhesive magnetic sheeting (dead cheap) onto the base of each figure – you can just cut it with a sharp knife or scissors.
The cookie trays then let me attach all the figures for that project and I can just slot it into a drawer (or shelf or whatever), ready to pull out as needed. I can get up to 30ish figures on a tray and the system works beautifully for me to be able to just pull out, say, my Guildball figures and get to work on them.
Also for games, I just grab the figures and put them into a biscuit team (there’s a theme here!), and I’m ready to go to the games club, or wherever.
oh and my little brother and his mate got rising sun put one of the pledges was missing all the extras. CMON have been contacted but haven’t responded so it looks like its going to be hard work sorting this one out, sigh. they have been having fun i’d i’ve had a quick look at the components but having issues takes away from the experience.
Ben… went into the ” Warhammer ” shop, and was attacked lol by a “New ” shop assistant…
said no, and he walked away saying “I was only asking”. Yet I’ve just started going back because the other staff has been normal…
Don’t like it when they dive at you asking questions…
With regards to learning a game, Guildball does a great job – the get started guide does a great job, getting you to set up a simple scenario, and then talking through several activations – each one introduces a new mechanic, and then once they’ve covered everything, they encourage you to just carry on playing and try out an a game already in progress.
http://www.lsh.co.uk/commercial-properties/freehold/land/former-nuclear-bunker%2C-woodside-road-ballymena-bt42-4qh-3568?currency=1
Another good set of instructional videos for learning a game’s mechanics is the, “Blood & Plunder” vids buy the games crew, available on YouTube as seven videos that step through the rule book.
Follow that up with the Beasts of War videos, “Blood & Plunder Week”, for demo play through.
Good videos help so much in “selling” a game to your friends. (Also they help you teach the game to first timers)
Happy Sunday all!
@emptynessisform more or less said what I wanted to say about Star Wars!
Though I will re-iterate the bit about the Battle of Jakku and the Aftermath trilogy of books. The last one features this whole sequence in detail. You get to see the mastermind pulling together the last remnants of the Empire with the express idea of having them mostly wiped out by a New Republic force. During the battle, he planned to slip away, taking a small extreme hardcore group out to a secret staging area to begin the first order. This was all part of what Sidious called “the contingency”.
Regarding short-form lets plays, I might be in the minority here, but I prefer seeing a full game played out. It helps me to see the big scope of it, see how deployment works, and how win/loss conditions actually work. Though I think it would be totally fine to have it split perhaps into two videos, one with two “slow turns” showing everything in detail, then a second video showing the rest of the play. Or some other format like that, maybe, just riffing on ideas here as I type 🙂
@warzan You might be interested in a “sheet pan rack” or I’ve seen them called “baking racks” sometimes. They are used in bakeries to hold baking trays. They have wheels and range from knee high to head height. You can put your projects on baking trays (maybe even magnetized) and then slot the trays into the rack. Here are some pics of what I mean:
Thanks for an awesome XLBS 🙂
Little late with my comments this week as Ive been away from home. I dont mind been quoted twice this week by @brennon, it definitely gets my point accross 😉
I love the sound of that 4ground landing bay, ive always fancided attempting myself so very intrigued as to how they go about it. Ben was right with the plot of battlefront mirroring what @warzan was talkig about with the aftermath of the destruction of the second deathstar. Its well worth a playthrough if you’ve the time. Otherwise check out the Star wars aftermath books as they also bridge the gap between the original films and the first order. Loads of ideas for gaming purposes.
Ive watched Johns video about his models from heroforge and while the models are quite pricy ive gone and ordered a young eleven female with some similarities to my kitbashed sell swords so she’ll be dropping in as my leader.
@warzan
Could t quite make it out on my phone screen but it looked like the scots soldier was wearing a tam’o shanter.
After getting home and taking a look on the big screen, It is indeed a Tam O’Shanter, shortened to ToS, A traditional Headdress for Scots Regiments, the budgie as you call it is known as a Hackle, with the single colour red hackle being worn by 3Scots, otherwise known as the Black watch.
there are a few different regiments within the British army that wear hackle’s, red for the black watch, white with red tip for Royal Fusiliers, your royal Irish have the Green as mentioned.
The Empress “BRIT23 Scots heads” and or “BRIT10 Fusilier Heads with Hackles” in rifle green should work just fine for that. Of course a Helmeted head just looks like any other regiment with only the unit Patch locking them in as a specific unit.
Thanks for picking out my comment as part of the chat on learning / teaching new games.
Sadly i am yet to take part in any escalation league type events at my club.
I have a friend at the club who invested heavily in The Walking Dead kickstarter and as part of one of the waves has the campaign rules.
I am interested in getting this started at the club, but it would have to be quite small in scope as only my friend and I have the game. I only get to the club once or twice a month due to work, so not only would i be delayed from playing the campaign through but others needing my miniatures etc. would be delayed too. Be interested to see what the subject brings up on solutions for problems like this and people’s experiences.
I forgot what I was you g to say… too much late night hobbying! Cheers Now!
Happy erm… Wednesday?
Still struggling with hobby time at present, so I’m behind on the weekenders, but catching up when i can!
@warzan, the caubeen you used to wear held a “hackle”. Yours was green i believe.
I was in the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers, who wear a red and white hackle. (Red at the top, white underneath). There’s a story often told about the Fusiliers hackle and how they got it.
The Fusiliers gained a fantastic victory over the French at the battle of St. Lucia in December 1778.
My numbers are approximate here, but the British had 1400 men, and lost around 10 dead and 300 wounded.
The French had 9000, they lost 500 dead and 1000 wounded. (A solid victory to the Brits)
The British Soldiers took white feather plumes from the fallen Frenchmen and dipped them in French blood and wore them in their shako’s as a battle honour.
Most of it is true… only the dipping in blood part that’s a bit of spin on the tale. In boring truth the King decided a few years later that he liked the white plumes and ordered all regiments of foot to wear them. The Northumbrian 5th of Foot Fusiliers were given a red tip to their plumes so they wouldn’t loose their battle honour.
Years later when the plumes were abandoned, the Fusiliers kept theirs.
The plume evolved into the “Hackle” as it is today.