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Red Grass Games Hit Kickstarter With Everlasting Wet Palette
September 20, 2017 by brennon
Red Grass Games have rather exploded on Kickstarter as they took to the platform with their Everlasting Wet Palette. Take a look...
They are punting for this to be the best wet palette out there which comes in a nifty case as you'll see here which hermetically seals and will stay wet for days once you've closed the lid - with no mould attacking your work surface either.
This quick diagram gives you an idea of how it works when you put it all together.
The Wet Palette also comes in a few different sizes on the Kickstarter page too for the regular Painter and then the Studio side for someone who does a hell of a lot of painting.
The same style of kit breakdown is apparent for both of them. It comes with the case itself, a strap to keep it all together, the foam to soak up the water and the small 'wavy' paint tray for you to mix.
Here are some of their talking points for the Wet Palette...
- Save paint: the paint won't dry out during your painting session
- Start and stop at will: you can stop painting for a few minutes, hours or days, and find again workable paints when you come back
- Achieve advanced technics: thanks to Everlasting stable hydration system, and our smooth surface, you will be able to perform advanced technics like Glaze, Gradients, Blending, two Brush Blending
- And it's easy to use: it works straight out of the box, and the case, wells and brush holders were designed for you to enjoy your miniature painting!
Now, whilst this does sound like a great idea it is the standard idea of a wet palette but with a rather fancy box and some additional tweaks and twerks here and there. It's certainly a viable product and people have been going mad for it as you'll see by their Kickstarter.
I think the ability to seal up your wet paints and have them ready to go when you move to a new location or just get to sit back down at the table is the main selling point here. That could be very helpful for folks.
What do you think of the idea?
"It's certainly a viable product and people have been going mad for it as you'll see by their Kickstarter..."
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I dunno. I prefer the Chinese method. As in eat a tonne of take away and use the plastic container with a bit of kitchen towel and grease proof paper.
Oh but by all means, pimp your hobby!
A recent review said the paint stored in it would only be good for a few hours. The paper let too much water through and anything after that the paint would be too watery to use.
Unless of course you worked in hot climates in which case the extra water would help fight of evaporation.
Do you have a link?
I think he may mean Meg Maple’s review, which while it wasn’t bad, wasn’t especially great either: http://www.arcanepaintworks.com/blog-1/2017/9/18/everlasting-wet-palette-by-redgrass-games
Check those great reviews here : http://www.redgrassgames.com/reviews.html
Reviews hosted on their own website are hardly unbiased.
Other reviews however, said it was pretty good
I am a bit of a sucker for nice tools, so along with my Games & Gears brushed my Rathcore Grip I have also backed this. I doubt it is any better than a plate, sponge and wet palette sheet but I think it looks nice, packs away well and is a good size for transport.
I will review it when it comes early next year.
Martin
I backed the Rathcore miniature grips and they are lovely. In most cases it’s easier to mount the model than on a regular bottle cork. But even ignoring that, they’re a lovely item that, if you enjoy your painting, are worth having. Just like this wet Palette.
How exactly does it prevent mold? Just sealing air tight won’t prevent mold from growing. Spores will get in while your painting and won’t be bothered by the darkness and air tight environment. I know there’s ways to prevent/mitigate the mold risks but I don’t see how this pallet is any better than others in that regard.
The foam itself is made from a antimicrobial material. They say their secret sauce is the foam sponge. I don’t know much more than what they state on their KS page.
I do know how everyone else paints, but for me, if I can save everything for 24hrs, that is good enough. I usually start painting early Saturday morning before anyone is up. usually around 6am. Then, by the time the family is up and we are doing our normal weekend things, I may get back to it for an hour in the afternoon and then late at night once everyone is in bed. Rinse repeat for Sunday. But Sunday night I am cleaning and putting everything away. Not sure mold is an issue in that time frame.
Same way as some plastic fibres stop mold, or silver nano particles. Certain materials disrupt bacteria cell walls, and thus kill them.
Copper helps prevent mold growth. I keep a small brown 2 (or 5?) eurocent piece in the bottom of my homemade one, and have never had any issues with bad smells, slime or mould growth in the sponge I use. I have had it for about two years now, changing the water and rinceing the sponge maybe once a fortnight or so.
Presumably there is some anti.mould agent such as copper in the foam here.
I think it looks good. Stores nicely. Most of the reviews are quite positive. I’m supporting the kickstarter and I’ll be happy even if it is no better than a home made one. I like the magnets on the side to attach the “wavy” tray. In fact I ordered a second one of those.
i wish the top was larger so you can tuck it under the base when using the wet palette.
Not bad, but shipping kills any value for us Aussies.
And the backer comments are in…
“After weeks of using the product, I can say with great confidence that the thinness of the paper is a design flaw, lends to creasing and tears too easily. The shell design is alright, but doesn’t always get a good enough seal. In comparison to the Masters, I like the size and design of this one better, and the sponge is significantly better, but the box has a much worse seal, and the paper is infinitely worse. 3/5, would be a 4 with better paper, and possibly a 5 with a secure lock in what is designed to be air-tight.
“I am also having issues with the seal on my Studio size. Not only is the water evaporating and allowing my paints to dry prematurely, but it leaks when turned on it’s side. I have tried pressing on the center of the lid to “burp” it like a Tupperware container, but the seal is simply not tight enough and air can be heard freely leaving and re-entering the palette. Please advise on a solution.
“After first use i can proudly say its the best wet palette ive ever used. Now granted thats not saying much since most wet palettes available in canada are trash, but the foam is phenomenal and even tho the paper is thin, no water comes through! Is it perfect? Not even close. I found putting the paper on the foam extremely difficult without creating numerous ripples, even after 10 minutes of trying to flatten. And the seal is not even close to air tight. But besides that i am very happy. Good size, good height, love the wavy, magnets are strong enough and i like how the paper and foam are smaller than the tray so its easier to fill it without moving everything. Thanks redgrass! Im a happy backer!
“I just opened mine after not using it for about 10 days. It’s been hot here, average 25 degrees during the day over that period I suppose. There is still water in the tray, the foam is moist and most of the paint is still wet. Far better than my old palette. There is definitely an issue with closing the palette properly though, you need to be careful to line the lid up properly and push it down firmly to create a seal. This is the Studio XL that I am using.
“Used it for about 5 weeks and absolutely love it. The seal works fine and paint was good after 10 days after it had been atleast 28 degrees Celsius indoors. Also perfect for creating blends between colours and nice smooth transitions. Great product overall!
“Got the studio (XL) version and have been using it for about 2 weeks.
The parer does indeed take some effort to remove the wrinkles formed when applying it to the wet sponge, but i found out that by stretching it out from the center outwards , using both palm surfaces together ( to avoid tearing) results in a near-perfect wrinkle free surface. The quality is above average but the seal (as other backers have pointed out) does not seem good enough as it allows some air through and results in some of the colors (especially those that are highly thinned and extended over to a large area of the paper) to go dry in about 3-4 days in an 26-27 deg Celsius ambient room temperature. I tried pushing the lid down with extra force when closing the palette and using the strap but didn’t seem to improve much on the air tightness of the thing.
My major complaint is that in several spots the colors seem to leak through the paper and stain the sponge making it extremely difficult to clean after removing the paper and before placing a new one. Made me wonder if the stains left, negatively affect the foam’s performance. I dare not try to remove the stains on the sponge using a more aggressive solvent in fear that it will damage the foam in the process.
Overall impression is good, the Studio Size provides enough space for painting a figure (currently painting the Gloomhaven minis using Sorastro’s pdf guides) and the quality of the materials used is certainly above average giving a satisfying look and feel when handled.
I guess further testing will allow for a more complete and in-depth review of the product.
I certainly am satisfied with overall performance and do not regret backing it in the first place. There is clearly room for improvement here, so i suspect (and hope :)) there will be a V2 improved version soon
“Must be odd one out, but my seal is not functioning as expected at all. Even though it has been exceptionally hot (35° ish), after 2 days all the water is gone, foam is almost completely dry. Expected the seal to be a bit better, to be honest. My tupperware sealed a lot better …
“I was a bit worried after some reading comments here. Got my palette last week. I started using it on thursday. I went away for the week-end. I just came back and my paint is still wet, perfectly usable after 4 days. This is exactly what I wanted and I’m happy. It’s a lot better than my old homemade wet palette. The seal seems to be working just fine, it’s like some people got a defective product.
“Got mine today. I’m glad I read all the comments about the loose magnets. Both of mine were just resting in the wavy. I probably would have lost them had I not been careful to check them first. A little glue and they’re good to go. It looks good at first impression, I like the low profile. As long as it works better than the P3 one I have already, then I’ll be happy with this.
“I got a Problem with the LID of my Studio XL, it’s BENT and won’t close properly! i tried to contact you via Email and Facebook, but i got no answer at all till today. So i wrote you again, but still no reaction via Facebook.
“Got mine in one piece. It looks great and I love the Wavy! Yet…the lid doesn’t close tight at all. I love the sponge and design, but the lack of a tight seal is a real buzz kill for me on this one. I’ve tried various methods to get a tight seal and nothing works.
“Finally got to use my palette today. I can confirm someone else’s complaint that the paper can tear, though this only happened when I would use my dropper nozzle to spread the paint as I applied it, it didn’t happen with the brush as at all. Also can confirm that the seal doesn’t hold the water in. I wonder if anything will be done about that….
“Well, as my studio doesn’t move (I paint for a living), the watertight thing wasn’t ever a problem for me. I’ve used other brands(my workhorse was P3), and Everlasting is magic at keeping the paper from curling and the paint stays exactly as I’d want it every time I open it. And mine is open for hours everyday, and I even have a fan just a couple feet above it(Missouri summers..gah!). I’ve used the well for shades that I need to dilute or that aren’t Citadel brand, and it does what I need it to. Although I still hope the membrane comes to fruition, I’m very happy with the quality of all components. Thanks for making my job easier!
“Just opened mine after receiving it last week. Looking forward to using it, but I noticed that the foam is much smaller than the actual case/base, leaving a great deal of space around all sides.
“I believe that the mismatch between the dimensions of the foam and the palettes is the same for all, including XL. In most of the pre-production and in use pictures/videos this can be seen but apparently as yet is unexplained. It does allow a trench around the outside to add liquid if necessary without disturbing the paper layer. I am sure there are some very valid technical reasons for the difference which Redgrass have not fully revealed. I suppose that it would only be in extreme cases that painters are likely to spread their colours right to the edge of the foam but it would have been nice to be given the opportunity.
I don’t think there is any way the supplied foam is likely to expand or be stretched to fill the palette.
“My XL has given me good service but…..the paper seems a little fragile as I’ve ripped two just mixing, that bled onto the foam and looks weird but no adverse effects….so far! I do find that at 30+ the paint does seem to dry very quickly, despite topping up the water using the gap around the foam-anyone else having this (when open)?
“I very impressed with my Painter pledge. As far as wet palettes go, this one is very good and the perfect size for mini painting.
The seal isn’t super air tight, although I don’t think it needs to be when it keeps my paint wet for a week at 30C+.
Aside from the wavy magnets not being glued very well, which is not really a big deal, it was well worth the price.
“I’m finding my paint is getting too watered down, to a more wash-like consistency, even without adding water to the paint itself. (Beside a quick dip of the brush tip in the water)
“Just an abomination of poor quality, undelivered promises, and incredibly slow turn around. Still waiting to hear from customer support why a large section of my lid seal was straight up missing. Cheers for the opportunity to glue in your magnets for you on the wavy by the way. At least you delivered on the sweet stretch goal… of a box…
“I’m not yet convinced of this product! Used it twice and the paint stays longer wet, but after a certain time it is to watered down. So closing the box over night and think you can paint futher the next day is not the case.
“Alright, so normally i dont comment on things, but i feel i have to here. this design would have never been waterproof, i work with mechanical engineers and have discussed in length with them regarding it. the case is a single point injection molded part, and shot in under high pressure, and not given enough time to cool so the parts are shrinking to much, as well as causing the studio pallet to warp. the TPE seal is not long enough, so this seal will never work. they have lied about the air tight seal, and leak resistance. Secondly, its probably me or something, i dont know. but this wet pallet for me does not work. the paints dries out in about the same amount of time as putting it on a dry pallet. yes, i have followed their instructions, i have tried multiple sheets, and both foams that came with mine, its the same no matter what i try. the best pallet i have used so far is the masterson art – sta-wet pallet. i would not recommend this product to anyone.
“I really like the Idea behind this but I have to agree I think this was done in haste without enough forethought into the design. I would love to recommend this to people but I don’t know If you plan on fixing your design or if you have moved on and don’t care. I hope it’s not the latter but from the lack of communication with people over these issues makes me fear they were known problems passed over due to lack of experience or complicity. I dearly hope you improve your design so I can feel happy recommending this to friends and family in the panting community,
“Even if I am a bit unhappy with the fact that the palette is no leak proof as advertised and they did not make any statement/apology about this problem, I am overall happy with mine. I don’t know how It does not work for people. Paint stayed wet for at least 2 days with high temperatures so it’s working well. No paper tearing.
“The claims made for this palette were exaggerated for maximum effect. It’s nice, but far from perfect. In my opinion, there’s really nothing special about it at all.
Darn good KS “hype train” marketing at the time though…. If Redgrass ever envisage a second outing, they are going to have to first acknowledge the limitations and mistakes made in this one.
“Generally speaking, I’m happy with my XL, but can confirm the same issues other have reported: slight warpage of the case, lack of airtight seal and that the paints becoming too dilute when left overnight. Will try and use two sheets of paper to correct the latter issue. Again, overall happy but was hoping the original features had borne out.
“Same issues as others posting here- there’s no way this seal is airtight. In my case, the lid for the Painter sized wet pallet won’t even stay on unless I use the elastic strap it came with. I haven’t tried to actually put any paint on it, but I’m not hopeful, seeing as how the box isn’t even designed right.
“So far my experience with the pallete has been good. The paper smoothes out on the sponge with the back of the hand just like the instructions say, and I have had paint staying usable for days. I have the studio xl which is the same size as the plastic palette i replaced.
The lid is obviously sealing well since the paint is staying wet as well as the paper and sponge. I am not sure if that is simply luck or not. I have not tried to travel with this palette as it isn’t my intention so can’t comment on if it leaks. But I like everything so far.
“Unfortunately I have similar issues to many others. My paint will dry out at the same rate with the lid on or off and I am betting it is because the seal is not airtight. combined with the leaking through of the paper to sponge I’m afraid this product is destined for my bin and I will be heading back to the DIY palette that kept paints moist for up to 2 weeks and never saw any seepage through between the paper and sponge. Nice idea, just the engineering was a bit off, hopefully it can be refined for a V2,
Been using the XL for 2 months. I have a problem with the paints drying out overnight. I was having better luck with a sponge, parchment paper and a tupperware container.