Weekender XLBS: Future Campaigns & The Market Grows
March 13, 2016 by warzan
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Happy Sunday!
Morning!
Next campaign? 40k, AoS if it’s popular enough. But if you want to go historical you could do the whole thing around the Battle of Hastings.
Warren, I don’t like ultrasmurfs as much as the next person but read the Horus Heresy novel “Betrayer” and you’ll probably see Guilliman in a different light, he’s not the mary sue GW makes him out to be in the Space Marines codex.
Looking forward to novels about Fulgrim, Perturabo and Horus, they were always the most interesting primarchs imo.
@toxicvex girlyman is a fartknocker fact!
Thanks to Logar and Angron 😉
Happy Sunday!
@toxicvex – Well said sir! 🙂
@warzan – The GW poster boys are definitely not the same marines you see in the Heresy. Definitely recommend reading Know No Fear and Betrayer, and you’ll the Ultras in a totally different light in my opinion (It was Know No Fear that made me build my 30k UM army). Plus, when you consider the “Smurf-hate” around 40k, the number of players who’ve jumped onto them in 30k since their release is immense.
A BIG HAPPY SUNDAY TO EVERYONE 🙂 I hope you all enjoy your hobby day
Happy Sunday!
Happy Sunday
The first law books are great, well worth a read is you like dark fantasy
What I’ve really enjoyed about Joe Abercrombies stuff is how his other fantasy books are all set around the same world that The First Law trilogy is based, but telling equally fascinating narratives.
Of the ones I’ve read Best Served Cold is phenomenal…
Great show guys! Whether WH40K is top selling miniatures game or not, doesn’t really matter, what DOES matter, is that there is a much wider choice for ever more people to take up, share and enjoy the hobby! Power to the People!
Yes, but it is a bit like Rome have fallen that GW is not owning that top spot.
Happy Sunday.
How about a Feudal Japan campaign, would scratch Lloyds samurai itch 🙂
When you guys start talking historical I turn off, it just doesn’t interest me.
However as a campaign next. Go with Dropzone! Especially with Dropfleet coming soon! Link them in together (Dave has said numerous times they can) and have the games in each system effect the scenarios in others!
Possibly start it of with a boot camp for dropfleet.
At the end of the boot camp play the first games of the campaign as the various planets are attacked.
I like the DzC DfC idea, but the link scenarios might be hard to do with 100s of players – short of when you generate the mission have the DfC state over the part of the planet dictate the supply on the ground in DzC.
Agreed. …. Definitely the next Campaign after the historical…. so we all have time to get the DFC rules and models sorted..
Like Eve Online and Dust 514…..ok not a successful example but what a concept !!
Will need good comms between the DzC and DFC teams….. Calling in aerial bombardments in real time? Oh yes ! Taking out dropships before deployment? I see sales of the Aegis ODL going thru’ the roof….!
Happy Sunday!
As I wander past my FLGWS on the way to my FLGS of a Saturday I notice that the FLGWS rarely has more than a couple of games going on – I can’t then move in my FLGS for the tournament tables of MTG, Infinity, X-wing or Malifaux players every weekend. Easier to organise (logistically and legally) when you have 20 adults in the store committed to the whole day than 20 teenagers…
The world (and many of the gamers GW caught but then discarded) has moved on!
In fairness to GW (and that’s not a sentence I thought I’d be writing) many of us adults in our 20s, 30s, 40s owe our introduction to wargaming because of GW. Example, my interest in starting with Dropfleet is based on my happy experiences with Battlefleet Gothic, thanks to GW.
They were the only place ‘that I encountered’ which provided a game, with the minis, with the glues, with the paints and the tables to play on all under one roof. I think GW had a defining role in shaping and expanding wargaming to a point that we now reap those benefits in there being sufficient interest among adults and youths to sustain a FLGS in their area.
Whether GW with have such a defining role in the future is another question entirely and one I don’t intend to broach here.
American Revolution open campaign? Lets get our own back, but watch out for Yankees sailing up the Thames! (Tho Warlord does a counter historical campaign on Britain involved in the American Civil War too…) Just my pennies worth.
Stay tuned, @dethbidonut . . . that’s all I can say for the moment. Stay tuned, we might have something of interest for you on BoW quite soon. 😀
Sorry oriskany, in my excitement tapped the minus button with my big fat limey fingers…
Campaign theatre: Fulda Gap for Team Yankee!
Now there speaks reason. 😀
Cracking show. Love the “cover your bases” pun. No comeback to that!
@warzan read “Know No Fear” Guilliman is awesome
Happy Sunday!
Just to add a little context to the sales figures and X-Wing overtaking 40K, this is for Q4 2016, it is through North American hobby channels taken as a representative sample of manufacturers, distributors, and LGS’s, and ICv2 don’t state whether the rankings are based on units sold of total revenue generated. All of that said, this is a big market and one which 40K have traditionally dominated, so for X-Wing to be the #1, even if it’s just for a quarter, is noteworthy in and of itself.
*or total revenue generated.
@redben q4 2015 I hope unless you are from the future!
How much do you think force awakens has caused a buy it might be collectable phenomenon when it comes to any thing star wars related?
Erm… yes… that’s what I meant… I’m not from the future… move along, nothing to see here…
There’s no doubt that a new core set timed for the movie release would have boosted sales. I don’t think anyone would be surprised if 40K took over the top spot again. To be fair to X-Wing, it was the #2 game to begin with and that was with massive supply problems which meant many ships were out of stock for long periods.
The other win for X-wing that you “just” touch on was the change in distribution. You didn’t have to rely on finding the base box set at your FLGS. They had these at the front row of the Star Wars Aisle at Target, a major chain. I don’t think you can beat that and this was a major coup by FF to pick up this sales partner.
They did though those sales don’t figure into this survey. FFG actually released the new starter via mass channels before hobby channels, which hurt its sales for this survey. It was compensated to a degree by people entering hobby shops for the first time buy X-Wing expansions having first bought the starter in a mass channel store.
And as it is sales based no wonder AoS beat WHFB – as there would be no sales recorded for the later
It was a comparison of AoS since its release with WFB prior to that. My favourite line from the magazine came from a store owner in California – ““Customers who I don’t even know came in to yell at me about Age of Sigmar,””
Xwing is a great game, easy entry and really does get that collector gene excited.
Doesn’t surprise me it outperformed 40K in Q4, especially as a certain movie was released in that period.
Plenty of room for FFG and GW in the market.
Happy Sunday.
Justin’s objective is a M577 command vehicle (not the APC from Aliens).
Great show as always.
Vacation? Vacation? First time I’ve ever heard Norn Iron folk use that word…
M577 armored command centre 🙂
@warzan tell Justin a really good weekend smithing course is run in Devon by Dave Budd. The only difference is its an Iron Age Blacksmith course, plus added bonus he has an Iron Age roundhouse on site. You’ll make a knife as part of the course, well that what I made when I did it a few years back. You can camp in his woods whilst on the course as well.
Morning gents!
Great show as ever 😎
As predominantly (but by no means exclusively) historical gamer I think having a different outcome from what actually happened is what makes the whole thing so interesting.
Let Napoleon win at Waterloo, the Zulus take Rorke’s Drift and the French annihilate the Panzer columns in 1940!
Historical campaigns I would like to see and/or participate in:
• Peleponnesian War. Athens v Sparta, fantastic navy vs spectacular army. Who’s gonna win?
Took them thirty years to find out..
•The Punic Wars (the Victrix plastics for this era are just a delight..!). Can Hannibal take Rome and reduce the Republic to rubble before it has the chance to become the greatest Empire?
• Making England. Can Alfred and his Saxon gang kick the Nordmen out of Britain or do we all have to learn Danish?
• 1066 and all that. What if the Shieldwall didn’t break at Hastings and the Normans were facing a prolonged campaign without sufficient supplies (after all the Tunnel was built a few years later)?
• Agincourt. We few, we happy few, we band of brothers..surely we cannot win against the cream of French chivalry..
• Napoleon’s invasion of Russia. What if the French had a more decisive win at Borodino? We would most definitely be part of a French dominated Europe. Without any costly referendum.
• Western Desert. Can Rommel take Cairo and pull the plug for the British Empire?
• Istvaan V. Not quite historical but every Tom, Dick and Harry including myself loves Horus Heresy.
Okay, I’m off painting now..
Better get your Danish textbooks out 😉
I like the idea of 1066 what if the normans crossed first and got defeated/weakened and then the vikings landed in the north
Can’t wait for the alpharius book have to imagine it will focus on the alpharius omegon relationship
That vehicle is a M577 Command Vehicle (that’s what it was in Vietnam anyway)
Frostgrave sellsword. The captain doesn’t replace the wizard. Its an extra character
Yep
On campaigns, it has to be a Dropzone/ Dropfleet one at some point
On historical there are so many periods that the ideas are endless but please no more WW2 so boring although if you are looking for a naval aspect some ancients or napoleonic may be the best way forward but then how about looking at the Great Northern Wars it has bith land and naval aspects it has
Russia
Sweden
Denmark
Poland
Saxony
Turks
and it lasts 20 years and was fought over a large area of northern europe.
Neat idea. By fire and sword would be a great system to do the stuff.
Why not showcase something like Dux Britanniarum from Two Fat Lardies? Cracking campaign system, small numbers, natural expansion and you’ve got the plastic late Romans (Romano Brits) coming out in time for Salute.
erm! I thought there was supposed to be news about the Backstage hangout at Salute?
Oops
Lol good spot! I have a mind alike a sieve 🙁
Love to see a dzc or drop fleet (or both!) as a campaign two concurrent theaters of war, have superiority in space buff the faction on the ground, control the ground buff your faction in space with ground based anti orbital weapons…
Or a return to lloydoslavia sod the nukes its all about who controls the aubergine!, if you ran it as a season based campaign you could have season 1 being post ww2 fighting the revolution, season 2 being the resistance and season 3 being post button being pushed…
Less hot on a 40k campaign there are enough out there already although the meta game of warconsole achievements would add an interesting spin on things…
Rewrite the Nepolionic war, but please no silver Nazis on dinosaurs!
Napoleonics – the campaigns in Spain and Portugal would be a good one …
I think the Pirate game from Flintlock that we saw on the weekender yesterday would be a great subject for a future campaign.
I like Ben’s call for a Dark age campaign obviously. Plenty of different factions and factions within factions, should give plenty of scope for double dealing and backstabbing.
A feudal campaign especially in Japan also appeals for the same reasons.
The Star Wars vs GW debate that my friend and I had was very interesting, and my Point was that the Star Wars miniatures game and 40k Aren’t similar enough to justify the comparison.
my closing case was as follows “My point was they aren’t similar and there are external factors that effect Star wars sales. One is a Hobby game with a self contained IP that relies on internal drive to maintain it. The other is a Far Reaching external IP that can be found anywhere from coffee shops, book stores, supermarkets that has a “miniature game” attached to it. One relies solely on dedicated long term fan base. The other can survive on curious dabblers”
I don’t know how you feel but I thought It was a point worth remembering. and in case someone might say I’m a GW fan boy, I play both. and as much as I enjoy SW I’m getting back into 40k in a big way I miss the hobby aspect that SW just can’t provide.
The real difference between them is that one is PPP and the other isn’t. If you wanted to argue that they can’t be compared then that’s point you would choose. The IP will explain why X-Wing has been so successful in such a short space of time, but it doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be compared to non-IP products in the same market.
Games or historical noo naars, (for Noo Naars read reenactment)
The thing that would be at odds with a minority in both camps would be to put it simply game over historical content or historical content over game.
Set it at roughly 798AD and go from there with whoever was around then or set it later at 03:45PM in 815 in a small pub just outside York and some would prefer it kicking off over a spilt tankard of mead.
You will not please all, so what we tried to do on the WWDDC was to “play” as much as we could by as many as we could. Certainly have an initial historical parameter (I would like to clear something up here with the beast of war guys and the players themselves, they took time out of their boot camp to a game which represented Pegasus Bridge and Oriskany and I were delighted by the outcome not ever did we question it we had already talked at length if went tits up where would go.) but set down at the outset that this campaign may well end up a fantasy history. In WWDDC there were clear times especially early on where the fear of having German armour on the actual beaches could have been a reality in “our WW2”. I had some people telling me stuff I could not dispute on how far Panzers would run on what fuel load what the colour of the tank commanders underwear was it was good and I learned a lot, I did. Then though there where some who would become deeply entrenched in the facts that the games with toy soldiers became almost exact refights with pre-ordaned outcomes almost, but not quite. Then there were the un-amused by the games being run as they were for playing numbers and trying to tell Oriskany his history, (showed me a new side to an ex marine I haven’t noticed in that many, patience and an even temper). Now there are a couple of historical periods I might be stupid enough to go toe to toe with Oriskany but they would be very obscure indeed. We tried our best to get as many on board as we could at the price of history and as far as I am concerned that was the objective. “Be prepared for the closet Saxon to leap from their long houses, but for me go straight for the factual right up until the toy soldier hits tables, keep the parameters really as wide as you can without involving time travelling robot Nazis. We mainly my friends and yes my better half are looking at running a small campaign where we have to raid each others villages and camps to survive.”
I would say game over historical content, if you choose the dark ages they weren’t called that for nothing. (although it is a different dark ages to the one I learned at school.)
Write down something anything that sets the scene as an immovable starting point.
And never listen to the historians except when you need/want to because in the end these are toy soldiers after all and that’s according to Edward Woodward, Peter Cushing and H G Well’s. So toy soldiers it is, even Napoleon had an army of toy soldiers he took with him in his campaign boxes, sort of an early battle foam.
(Soz if its a bit long winded but the shorter version would be far less PC)
Good hunting
Chris G
Joe Abercrombie’s stuff is great…it certainly is riding GRRM’s coat-tails…but if you can imagine Sergio Leone and Clint Eastwood helping with the writing and you get some idea of what his works are like.
Noir, griity, anti-heroic.
really great stuff.
I read one of the later book first (the Heroes) and it was really cool becuase these recurring characters are severely damaged (in many ways) and very different than the earlier books.
Team Yankee Campaign.
The TY rule set is very straight forward, and the games go quick.So far playing 100pt games we are running 3-4 turns and we are completing them in under 2hrs.
Since it never happened, you don’t need to worry about the results.
The map and terrain is pre-generated for you as well as the factions.
If you want to add in sea battles you could (not sure on the rule set)
Naval stuff post ww2 is quite dull its all about carriers and subs.
Happy Sunday. American War of Independence?
Stay tuned, @gremlin . . . we might have something of interest for you on BoW quite soon. 😀
Happy Sunday!
Aha! Team Yankee! I have the rules and I am going to get the American Starter Set this or next month. And the quote of the episode by @dignity “It’s an objective” lol 😀
I would get into a historical campaign. I love Ben’s project with SAGA involved. Just got into the game and I am starting to assemble my Viking starter army today.
Warren on fire with the Guilliman roast 😀
Regarding the campaign: Sorry to hear WW2 getting such a wet blanket already, this was actually where I was thinking of going with this when Warren reached out to me. Bad timing, I guess, after massive campaigns / projects in Ukraine, Team Yankee, Force-on-Force Moderns, and some 18th-Century work, I was actually start getting ready to dip back into World War 2, I haven’t been stuck in that arena since Desert War article series last September.
In the WWDDC we wound up with a very un-historical outcome, the British and Canadian landings were nowhere near as successful as they were historically (with the exception of Gold Beach). Omaha basically failed but the real money was in Utah and the parachute landings behind that beach through the Cotentin Peninsula. basically this allowed the immediate fall of Cherbourg and the capture of a deep-water port for Allied use, which in the end compensated for Allied setbacks at Omaha, Juno, and Sword.
The Pegasus Bridge setback indeed kicked things off in a very interesting direction, but I had to really “calm the group down” until we had results for the OTHER bridge just 400 meters to the east few people read about: Horsa Bridge. Only after the Germans held that bridge TOO did we finally ascertain that 21st Panzer’s route of entry into the campaign area was indeed open. So we had a successful Allied invasion of Normandy, just a very different “shape” victory than unfolded historically.
My only point is that (1) we lost un-historical outcomes, that’s the reason you play a campaign, and (2) if you’re trying to run a more detailed campaign, the outcome of any single battle (even one as important as Pegasus Bridge) is never really going to kick the whole campaign in one direction or another. Not only is this not very realistic, but runs the risk of “alienating” or “marginalizing” gamers when certain battles are decreed “more important” than others. Just a balance you have to strike.
As far as whether WW2 has been done to death, it’s just that we’ve been doing the same parts of WW2. This is simply too vast an arena to ever completely exhaust, I’ve been trying for 30 years and still haven’t found the bottom. 😀 I would agree that another (yawn) Western Front, Shermans vs. Mk IVs situation gets a little tired. Desert, or even better, EASTERN FRONT provides the depth and vastness that a BoW campaign would easily fit into. Also, many people already have these miniatures / game systems, avoiding the “imposition of costs” that Warren mentioned.
Anyway, my 2,053,997 cents for the moment. 😀 I’d be happy to support / consult on a historical campaign even if it isn’t (sniff sniff) WW2. There are a lot of great ideas flying around here, I would just caution that we might want to pick something that people actually have the miniatures for.
Oh, and multi-game system, please. BA, FoW, Battlegroup, historical is too small of a sub-niche on Beast of War to limit it to a single system.
Now, now @oriskany I have finally started to paint my BA germans… 🙂 5 done 15 to go and a German starter army ordered.
Oooohhhh Eastern front 🙂
Can we get any naval action into it somehow @oriskany?
closest would probably be the Artic Convoys to Russia.
@oriskany how about the burma campaign or the north african campaign.
Oof, that’s supposed to be . . .(1) we HAD un-historical outcomes.
Meanwhile, @warzan – I think I have come up with a Eastern Front idea that allows more factions and a heavy naval element, to say nothing of making a break with strict history. I have submitted a proposal document, I hope you like it. 😀
Red Navy played a massive role at Stalingrad and the Siege of Leningrad. Be good to see the ‘blue death’ out in force 😉
A lot of was also happening on the Baltic in the later years of the war.
I’d be happy for a lot more WWII.
@oriskany think lloydoslavia ww2 upto team yankee could be an interesting setting the history is already written, plus its real enough for some historical accuracy, but not so real as to offend some peoples sensibilities…
Although I would like to see a bolt ack ack ack action campaign too something so wrong but right about that mashup…
WWII would be good if you kept away from the late war Euorpe Theatres – North Africa, or evening the initial Burma engagements are an interesting alternate.
Happy Sunday ,
for Warhammer 40k I Don’t know if you had the chance to have a look at this game but the only thing i can say is Great , and i think it can be their new Necromunda , and for the other campaign i would say it can be great witch WildWest Exodus , and Mercs 2.0 but till all the stuff is out it will be a little bit difficult , also i would love to see , Malifaux and Warzone Ressurection this one coul be just great
ps: we still did not know who is the winner of the Dark ages stuff ??
Why does a campaign have to be completely historical? Since this is about “what-if”, why not a WWI campaign of German-Mexican invasion of the American Southwest where the Germans did manage to convince the Mexican government to try and take back lost territories. This could involve American and Canadian forces attempting to counter.
I guess it also has to depend on the other factor of how many people have stuff to play that campaign.
Or you could use the Background from the Harry Turtledove Great War Books – WWI fought as an American Civil War (Confederates win/survive the ACW, backed by British/French – when WWI kicks off, they back the British, with the Union having German military Advisers so pro Germany. Great series of Alt Hist., goes all the way upto post WWII with the American Empire series).
@warzan
Eastern Front Naval Actions
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Sea_campaigns_(1939–45)#Operations_in_1945
😎
Oh yeah those too but not really of the scale that i think @warzan is interested in..lol
@suetoniuspaullinus
An interesting list. Campaigns (or ahistorical campaigns at least) have been run in many periods, including those mentioned. I would add the multiplicity of options in the 18th century – the ‘home’ of imagi-nations, but also the period of the 17th century wars of religion, or even an alternative ECW (which was neither only in England or very Civil).
Greece city states – not limited to Sparta and Athens – could provide a number of armies with alliances and deceptions the order of the day.
There really is a whole ‘History book’ of possibilities.
My own solo campaigns are based around a number of periods – 7 Years war; 16/17 century Japan, Britain in 15th century (factions for the WotR), and Operation Sealion in WW2.
Far too many at once! But they do provide plenty of research time for those wet winter nights 😉
@applemak
ECW or WotR would be great as well with some ‘factions’ changing sides all the time.
Same with the Greek City States, alliances were not always reliable plus there can easily be a
nice naval aspect integrated into the campaign..
But maybe that’s all a bit too hardcore historical for a wider audience??
@commodorerob
You are probably right there 😉
At least one could do naval engagements in 28mm. I’m sure a torpedo boat or a submarine can be scratch built!! How cool would that be?
Soviet submarine commander has to try to stop the Wehrmacht escaping by sea but is hunted by Kriegsmarine T-boats in a mine ridden Baltic Sea while simultaneously the Germans fight desperate rearguard actions on land to avoid encirclement by the numerically far superior Russians..will they run out of Panzerfausts before they can stop the endless waves of T34s??
I can already imagine a nice winter board 😎
@warzan
How about it?? I volunteer to paint the winter Germans!!!
In fact I’ve started already:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/groups/historical-games/forum/topic/german-grenadiers-winter/
I bloody love Beasts of War! *hug* 🙂 @warzan read those Heresy books with Guilliman in, he goes mental and punches the Word Bearers to shit, on the surface of a battlecruiser, in space no less! Look at this cover with Guilliman in it: http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/know-no-fear.html I wished the FW model of him was in this pose from this scene. I think FW are going to to be doing alternate poses and minis of the Primarchs (more especially the ones who turn into daemon princes), so hopefully Guilliman will get an action pose.
I wonder what GW will do now that the popularity of the new Star Wars movies over the next few years could keep X-Wing in the number one position over 40K? GW/FW do have their Specialist games to be brought out so some of them could bring more people to 40K. And they are going to be releasing kid-friendly kits for 8 year olds, so that could help. But Star Wars movies get into games and toys way beyond what 40K can, and appeals to all age groups (even my mates little 3 year old daughter knows who Princess Leia is) Overall, I don;t think it’ll affect them too much. I’m just glad they’re bringing back the old stuff and making cool versions of it, even though I can’t afford to collect ’em all (ho ho ho…bad pun lol). 😀
@warzan
No worries on the wait mate, we can have a natter at salute ….
On the fortress, no benefit, that’s the price of success. Just factor in say 10% reduction in faction win points per fortress. If you take over the entire island, you won’t be winning anything, you’ll be battling to keep control of your territory mate.
Historical campain ye be needing those pirates matiees. 🙂
I’d really like to see a campaign using the three star wars systems from FFG.
It could be the invasion of a Star System by the Empire. Armada games to take control of the hyperlanes, x-wing games themed around blockade runs (troops/supplies) and imperial Assault for ground based missions.
My second vote is in for a dropfleet/dropzone commander campaign. 🙂
.@brennon Once you’ve finished the First Law trilogi you MUST read; Best Served Cold, The Heroes and Red Country. And it’s important that you read them in that particular order, some favourite characters appear again and again in the following books. And yes, there’s a lot more naughty stuff for .@warzan to enjoy. 😉
Joe Abercrombie is fantastic author, highly recommended!
His ‘kids’ books (and i use the term loosly, but that’s what they were marketed as) – the ‘Half a’ Trilogy (King, World and War) are a good read too.
Great show. +1 for Ben’s Darkage idea.. I think using SAGA would be awesome (just picked up the Viking starter woot…so yea.. A selfish request)… Plus it would be in line with you future Viking weekend ;D. I do like the idea of capturing Britain.
For the historical naval game .. I suggest ‘Sails of Glory’ from Ares Games. Think Sw Armada ish on the seas.
Wouldn’t mind a Dropzone campaign sometime as well.
Agree, SAGA would be great for a dark age campaign.
Or perhaps Dux Britanniarum from TooFat Lardies.
Rules wise, there are several sets – Two Fat Lardies, various Osprey Rules (love Lion/Dragon Rampant) – why limit it to one set.
Happy Sunday!
So, it sounds like we have quite a lot of ground to cover and “checkboxes to hit” when it comes to a potential historical campaign. Let me see if I have the criteria and requirements correct . . . 😀
Warren’s interested in Eastern Front. Check.
We want a naval aspect. Check.
We want a heavy historical flavor. Check.
We DON’T want “historical enslaved.” Check.
We want lots of available factions (i.e., more than two). Check.
We want to appeal to a broad base so we can get lots of players (i.e., gamers with armies / miniatures ready to participate). Check.
I so got this. Submitting a pitch document to Warren tonight, we’ll see what he thinks of the idea. 😀
All that said, I would also gladly support / consult / collaborate on a Dark Age game, although I’d have to sit it out since I have no dark age armies (unless we could use TSR’s Battlesystem . . . basically, the more realistic but less elegant grandfather of Kings of War)?
Now you’ve got me trying to guess.
Happy Sunday 🙂
If possible I think it would be good to see a Dropzone with Dropfleet as a good Sci-Fi campaign.
I am all for this I think it would work really well i have a few ideas
With the campaign of the future, I was wondering if you had to choose just 1 game. If the main idea is to take a zone, island etc. Why can’t people play any system.
For example, I could play my son AoS and I win in one of the zones you set up. If I record a win for the ‘allies’ – in your sense does it really matter what game I played? – My next game in the same zone could be a FoW battle.
By just having ‘Axes’ and’Allies’ in the capaign, or set names – allowing anyone to play the game of their choice opens up the whole campaign to everyone, whatever game they have.
From your point of view, you just need to know the outcome – not the gane vehilcle used.
well i can see what you mean I think that half the point of the campaign system that they have put together is to generate the fluff and story behind a particular genre, so whilst what your saying it about a win or a loss the point is how do you tell the story in your battle report?
Well I was thinking along these lines. BoW set up a world they create. Let us use UK as an example as I’m from England. They set up the UK and divide it into the counties. They then create a series of factions and place them into the country.
I choose to have a battle of any game for the struggle that is taking place in the county of Surrey. Let’s assume for the example that the Murderers are trying to take the county from the Justice Commune. I play AoS with my son. I assume the role of the Murderers and he as the Justice.
We play our battle and report in who won. From BoW stat point of view everything works as it does now. From a batrep point of view, it doesn’t really matter what game we played. We could batrep how the battle went without needing to go into specifics of the game itself. For example I could simply say that my frontlione troops held the hill against the oncoming fast attack units. I don’t need to specify Sigmarines fighting off Wood Elves Cavalry as the specifics don’t matter.
I’m a web developer and so I code in generics a lot. By placing down generics, anyone can join in with any system and it will still hold together. The more generic you make something, the wider reaching it is. If BoW plan this properly, they can reach out to every single gamer everywhere and not be in the situation they are currently in where only a small percentage of people can participate. Trying to run multi-campaigns would be unmanageable.
You could be a bit specific – for example, you could have sea battles as Warren would like, but you have to play a sea battle game for that – albeit it any sea battle game.
Just an idea.
Thanks for the props on Holy Wars! I’m touched and so is our club The Holy Hammers we are super excited about AoS and we are planning our next event Holy Havoc a Team Tournament.
Thanks again such high praise.
I’ll put in another vote for a Dropzone/Dropfleet campaign next, I’ve been really getting into the Infinity one so far. Getting in one game every two days on average 🙂
great show guys what about Burma WWII ?
is ROMAIN doing a spacemarine in a buggies smuggler? Roboute Borat Guilliman
Warren I agree completely with you on Sigmar. Why can’t we get some new things like for say the Elves? Since for the most part the Vast Majority of ‘new’ release for the game is just repackaged old stuff. We know next to nothing about what going on with the elves. And the main stay of the Dwarves nay a bread have been seen. Just their red hair crazies. Lovable as they might be but still.
Campaign wise I’d go with a dark age setting, but rather than Viking period I’d opt for late Roman or Post Roman. With the Romano British defending the shores against Saxon invaders, Picts, Irish raiders, the Welsh and local uprisings. Now you could go for a completely historical option or a slight puesudo historical campaign by choosing to set it as a King Arthur style setting.
Not sure if this has been mentioned but Dark Age campaign look towards The Far Lardies and Dux Britanniarum (sp) but earlier than the Vikings but could work on a large scale
The M113 HQ vecihle model with the tent is pretty much how our Company HQ looked when I was in the Norwegian Army!
I’m really excited to do a little ITS/OP: Flame strike tournament this weekend! Brealing out my PanO from a long hiatus!
Rewriting WWII with Bolt Action could be cool. Set the story in 1943ish and have a theatre in the Pacific, North Africa, and a couple in Europe and Russia. I just got my paints to paint the US Army, but I havent ordered any minis yet! It’ll be my first dabble in historical gaming! I got one of my gamer buddies to start with Italians, so Operation Husky is a go this summer!
Frostgrave might work as a campaign as well, have some factions and different sections of the city to fight for control over. As you might have guessed, I’m getting into Frostgrave as well!
I agree with the scheme on the Stormcast Eternals, they are very clean. You should check out Amy Snuggs test model, that makes me want to get them! Dunno about the lore, not not much intonit, still sad that my Tomb Kings are gone, and a GW employee told me my Bretonnians are going away as well.. Getting a Skeleton Horde box now though, both for Frostgrave skeletons and a litt AoS army! I have a boxed Zombie Dragon as well, so gotta crack that open!
Congratulations to Pokémon on it’s 20th anniversary this year! I remember being 7 at the time and collecting the cards! I still pick up the odd 3ds game now and then.
I got a nice humble bundle of all (?) the Pathfinder RPG books, gotta get a group together and have a go.
Quiet a rant from me, but that’s what you get from commenting while watching. Thanks for a nice weekender (on a Tuesday)!
I wouldnt be surprised if AOS goes movement trays next year just because this is what GW want you to do, expand your armies. It would also fit into the two year planned released dates for both their games.
For Campaigns….
My group could participate in Bolt Action, Flames of War, Kings of War or Star Wars: Armada. That’s my votes
If you want to do a historical campaign you could go with blood and plunder, pending on how the KS does and how the rule set is. you would have naval battles, naval & land battles, and land battles. the different faction could fight over control of the caribbean or part of the caribbean.
also a dropzone/dropfleet commander campaign would be awesome! not historical but my guess is these two would go perfectly hand in hand for a campaign like this!
Great fun!
Finally got time to watch this episode and it was a great XLBS Weekender as usual! 🙂
The final bit about X-Wing taking the number one miniatures spot was no surprise. Many of the gamers of my generation have little time to maintain and play 40k armies so have moved to games like X-Wing as they can be quick, fun, low time investment games. I think this is a trend for the future. The day 40k has pre-painted miniatures will be the day it takes over the world. 😀
I´ve just bought second hand Pokémon Y, and I like it a lot, got to catch them all. I like the collecting thing and also the combats.
I´m also playing the card game online. Because none of my friends want to play it, sad. I´ve got to good decks waiting in the cards shelve.