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Prodos Get Heretical With Mutant Chronicles Kickstarter
February 5, 2014 by dracs
You may already know that Prodos Games, the guys behind the Mutant Chronicles Warzone Resurrection game, will be providing miniatures for the Mutant Chronicles 3rd Edt. RPG currently on Kickstarter. Now we get our first sight of three Heretics for the RPG.
These three Heretics are part of a five miniature set. They each have a great level of individuality, as befits the more singular nature of an RPG, but they could equally find use in the skirmish games of Warzone Resurrection.
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I don’t want to be a douche but if you actually support this kickstarter, well .. you have been warned.
Bad experience with Prodos and / or Modiphius, Poosh?
head on over to their original kickstarter and look at the “comments” section :p I think I was the most kindest but even I had a breaking point
Heh, then I am sympathetic to your situation.
In some ways I think that having Kickstarter on the internet is a terrible idea. If someone goes to McDonnalds and finds a poo in their burger then you can bet that everyone in that store will find out about it and that person may well try to spread the word on the internet. If someone was going to do some research before having their first every “burger” at said outlet and they came across that person’s story on the internet they might believe that this is what all customers will get, all of the time.. or at the very least they might come to believe that the company is so incompetent that each and every visit to McD’s was a throw of the dice. But at the same time there would be (perhaps sadly) a bazillion other people going into their local chain to get their burger fix and ultimately coming out happy with what they got, completely oblivious to the poo burger some guy was served on one occasion.
In the case of Kickstarter, it’s a tricky thing for the backer because you have to take other people’s experience – both positive and negative – with a pinch of salt and since all the feedback is visible in just one place, it’s hard not to think that every KS is handing out poo burgers!
My order was also pretty late. I got it about a month ago, just after Christmas. Nothing was was missing that wasn’t previously announced as being out of stock and nothing was broken, although I do see the same variance in material softness (and correspondingly, detail softness) in some of the casts. All in all, that particular KS was in line with my expectations.. exceeding them in some ways, and in other ways, leaving me with a feeling that this whole thing was a (positive) learning experience for Prodos at our expense 😀
I have no doubt that on the manufacturing side of things at least, AvP (and also, these figures to support the RPG) will be much better. On the delivery side..well, the AvP backers might run into the same problem but since Modiphius is running the RPG kickstarter and their handling of the Achtung! Cthulhu project was very good, I think people should feel pretty safe backing this.
…and hey, at least it’s not Relic Knights late! 😉
I’d second poosh’s warning, at least in terms of Prodos.
Modiphius I can’t comment on…haven’t back any previous Kickstarter of theirs so I don’t know what their track record is like.
Prodos was straight up incompetent with WZR. No one expected the original June ship date to be accurate but it is now Feb and there are still backers without their boxes. (Yes, I am one of them so some of this is bitterness). It would be one thing if they were just getting to shipping stuff out now…but people have been getting their boxes since October. Not being able to deliver less than 1000 pledges within 4 – 5 months is a sign of rather poor planning.
And the deliveries are seemingly random. There are some in the US who got their boxes back in October (rather large pledges too…like several hundreds worth) and to this day there are UK backers who have nothing…and Prodos is based in the UK.
Maybe they will get their act together for this one. But based on my experience they are a company to stay away from.
I got mine mid Jan a day after the deadline… cards missing naturally and a mixed back of quality that differs from model to model. Some of it looks like cheap plastic you get in a pound shop, some of it holds up and is damn good.
Their printed hardback rulebook, however, is a JOY to behold and will take you back to those early days when you picked up the earlier GW rulebooks and become overcome with a child like joy.
I backed the WZR KS and even bought things that were in pre-order after it was funded. I got them like this christmas. I understand that other people have been less fortunate. But apart from this, nothing else is really bad. Almost everyone I know that received their stuff were greatly satisfied. I think they just need to get their things straight.
I can understand peoples frustrations with Prodos. I was in for 4 minis, and when they arrived one (a KS exclusive) had broken beyond repair in the post. However, once I got in touch they asked for a photo of the damage and sent a replacement within days.
The WZ:R rulebook is very, very nice though 😉
As Prodos are only handling the minis side of things though I’m more than happy to chip in on this KS….
These guys surely look interesting.
nahh, I’ll defend Prodos here! I got my stuff in Jan, worthwhile waiting!!! Stuff is amazing,. a step ahead of Forgeworld.
Regarding fulfilling and being late! Rly? I got my WWX late! (2 months) Relics (probably I wont see it!), Dreadzone was on time, but quality! It was not worth the money I’ve spend on this Dreadzone, 50% of models scrapped!
WZR KS, I blame in 80% backers for this situation, OK partially is fault of Prodos that they have just let peoples to tell them “Give ME more Capitol or Mishima units or else…” Yeap, go to their KS page, and scroll down to the comments, Tons of so called Warzone Fans were spamming: “More. more more. units…” and they have ended up with 6 FACTIONS?! And now they are saying that prodos was late? RLY?
Look at scale of this KS and compare to any other KS, they went crazy with number of models (because backers demanded their lovely faction to receive more) and all that stuff. So yeah in one hand “they were LATE! in other hand The WARZONE is BACK with 6 Faction”, pick one!
And the book! I’ve not seen any better book on the market!
As far as I can tell this KS is Mordiphius and Prodos is only manufacturing models? So I don’t think they might cause any delay to Mordiphius, how many models we are taking about here? 10? 20? per backer? How many models Prodos produced for their KS? 60000? 80000? 100000?
I don’s see any problem here.
Jeez, where to start…well, ok, the WWX vs Prodos comparison. Yeah, WWX was late from their estimated ship date…by two to three months. If you want to go by that comparison than Prodos, which originally promised June 2013, is late by 8 months going on 9. Are some WWX backers still waiting? Sure. But even if it took another month to complete all orders they would still be ahead of Prodos doing the same job…even if you took into account from when Prodos claimed to start shipping (Sept.). As I said it has been 4 to 5 months since Prodos said they started shipping and they still haven’t finished shipping out to all backers.
So then you want to bring up Deadzone? Ok, let’s do that. Sure I’ll give it to you that the Deadzone minis probably aren’t as good…but you know what is nice about Mantic? Being able to deliver not only time, but early. And that KS had nearly 5x as many backers.
The fact that you think the backers are somehow to blame is just asinine. At any time Prodos could have stopped, looked at what they were promising, and go “You know what? Maybe we shouldn’t bit off more than we can chew. Or maybe start cutting things into multiple waves so as not to make promises we can’t keep.” Or any number of other things to avoid creating false expectations. But they didn’t. At best they were overconfident in their ability to make good on their promises. At worst they were disingenuous. I would like to think the former but the more I think about it the more I’m starting to believe the latter…especially with how quickly they rolled out the AvP KS.
You know, the more I read your post the more defensive it sounds. And not even a single point of Karma. Hmmm…let’s take a look at your profile. Absolute minimal information and, oh, this little gem…
“razzor has been a member for 4 hours, 26 minute”
Brand new account, eh? Rob, is that you?
Well I too am a newbie to this site and just because of posts like this! So a new company with a small KS target and a long dead game with a rabid rose tinted fan group! And an end KS well over 4x the target and a stupid initial release target! What do you expect, let’s not forget this prodos company have designed from scratch over 200 different models and have all but a handful out in a year and a book that almost everyone, even the naysayers, says is stunning.
Well done them I say, and yet they get this vindictive negativity from the rose tinted fans! Move on or go back to the old versions you love so much!
The models I have are all lovely, and when I have had a slipped mould or broken in transit (really is that Prohos fault really?) they have sent out a replacement as quick as they can!
Anyway this is a mordiphius Ks and prodos are making model! Don’t beat up modiphius cos prodos has upset u so! Let them be move on wih your life! And really why have they upset you? Cos they were successful, cos they did something you wish you had done or cos they made some mistake! They haven’t run off with your money or given u blocks of restic or lead.
And that’s another thing why do you think mantic Ks can deliver on time? Cos they have it all ready and are a massive company! Why not prodos, cos they used Ks to Ks a company and a project! Isn’t that what Ks is about? I guess for u not instead a way to get as much cheap stuff as possible! Maybe u should move away form Ks and what it means and go onto ebay instead.
I’m happy Ks exists ur companies like prodos and modiphius it means me as a hobbiest gets hobby stuff, new games! The way I look at is without Ks prodos wouldn’t exist and I want them and their products to exist, cos I’m a gamer who wants games not a leach that wants blood!
Already made another account I see. Same poor grasp of English, ultra-defensive…
No, I’m not a rose-tinted fan. Never played the originals games. Don’t own any original models. I backed the project because what they were showing was very promising. Unfortunately due to their incompetence all I have to look at are renders and pictures. As far as I’m concerned they did run off with my money because I haven’t seen a single package or even gotten a single email from them in regards to it.
I never once “beat up” on Modiphius. They are a separate company. My warning is to be wary about the promise of models from Prodos because they are not very reliable. Maybe they will get better but so far I have my doubts.
I actually didn’t back Deadzone and don’t look for Kickstarters that only give me lots of models on the cheap. If I did I would have also backed Wrath of Kings. Didn’t back that either. Feel free to make assumptions though.
My big issue with Prodos, really my only issue with them, is that they have royally screwed up sending packages out. There was delay after delay and instead of manning up and saying “Look, we over-extended, be patience” they gave excuse after excuse. First it was a flood, then it was the 3D printer breaking down…this last delay was the most insulting. They claimed all packages should be out and that people should have them by Jan 15th at the latest. Jan 15th rolls around, many of us without packages, and on that very day we suddenly get an update “Oh, the courier screwed up, we lost a whole bunch of packages…” So they just found out then, huh? Riiight…
Are the models nice? Yes. Are they mind-blowing awesome? No. They are mostly good quality but many of the poses are strange. And as I stated once before I think the WWX plastics are superior to anything that Prodos has made. That has more to say about the quality of WWX though. The rulebook is indeed nice.
And that is the thing, their product isn’t bad. Their management is. Their communication is. Other companies that have risen thanks to KS such as Mantic and MERCs have done so because they have a sense of business. Out of who I have seen in Prodos the only one I have some faith is in Mark Rapson. The rest…no so much.
How can u say the poses are strange and yet u don’t have the models! Sorry mu English isn’t as perfect as yours! I bow to your perfect grasp! Anyway it seems u have ur view I have mine! In ur view mine is inferior to yours cos I’m new here and spell less well than you! Fine be that way! I appreciate your view even if I disagree and I am sorry if I won’t look up at you cos u are forum older and better at writing!
And I’m French so excuse my English ignorance ;]
I’m new here, in fact this link was sent to me who backed WZR also same as me is a big fan of MC, never intended to create an account here but I can’t read this bia..ing… I’m glad Prodos got MC Warzone back! after 10+y of waiting but I’m fed up of guys who think that KS is a NEW AMAZON! its not, you are not buying any s..t, you are supporting company to bring some exciting stuff to the marker for REWARD which you will get once is READY. If you want to make sure that you get your stuff on time, wait till is available on market!
As far as I know Mantic is not manufacturing anything, right? they just outsource all from China… that might explain poor quality.. made by 7y old kids. And correct me if I am wrong but Mantic in on the market for how long??? 8 Years? 8 years and they use KS as PREORDER platform not to “create new company”, and Prodos? I assumed they where just new company created trough KS? Right or I’m wrong?
And for your inforamtion WWX (Outlaw) is in fact The Battlefoam , yes, yet another established company using KS as preorder platform!
“some exciting stuff to the marker for REWARD which you will get once is READY”
Which, if you had been paying attention, is the crux of my issue. Hell it is the only issue. My pledge was all Legion and all Cybertronic, the first two on Prodos’ list to make. I did not get vehicles. It was a large amount of infantry but as people in my area have been getting them since October, including one of them that got the stuff he pre-ordered post-KS, I’m fairly certain it is ready.
I did not bother Prodos constantly for my items. In fact I was rather quiet and patient. I was a little snide when they announced AvP but I quickly regained my composure and decided to wait it out. It wasn’t until the Jan 15th that my frustration finally boiled over.
That was three weeks ago and still no packages, no emails, nothing. So yeah, I feel cheated.
Is KS suppose to be a pre-order service? That is not the intention, no. But there is a sort of agreement of good faith between the creator and the backer…help fund our project, we will promise X in return. The backer deserves no more and no less than X. If the backer expects more than promised then he is an entitled SOB. If the creator doesn’t or can’t deliver than he shouldn’t make promises he can’t keep.
I’ve only backed two other projects to completion…Myth and Cthulhu Wars. Both of those companies have been up front with all issues in regards to delays and issues. Both companies have owned their mistakes. Prodos has not. I suppose that is my other big issue with them…I don’t appreciate being lied to.
Anyone who says Prodo’s minis are a step above forgeworld’s is ether insane or a sock puppet. Me and my friends received over $3,000.00 worth of minis so I feel confident that we received a good sample size and I have to say that on the whole, the quality we were promised simply was not there.
Well I have 1 of everything and you are wrong wrong wrong! Some are good and most are great! They are forgeworld or better
The quality is very high standard on some of the models, some are good, and some seem to have been slightly badly molded, and my Judicator (or whatever) feels and looks like a shitty toy from Pound-land. The cards are good but again, some cards were missing. The models are no where near Forgeworld or even Finecast quality.
The Rulebook is beautiful, it’s a dream to have, one must declare.
Remember, Prodos failed to deliver on their ORIGINAL STARTER SETS, not just the add ons. I am overall happy with what they actually did give me but they should have been more honest – and I have friends who basically demanded their money back.
Agree nothing like finecast, no bubbles, no dusty surfaces. And true scale so hands are not bigger than their heads
I have loads of Finecast and they have no bubbles or dusty surface. See how that works.
And GW make Heroic scale miniatures. That is irrelevant to the quality of the model.
I gave them money for their mutant chronicles kickstarter and I have been regretting since. I got rid of everything I did not paint which was majority of my capitol to recoup some of my losses. I liked legion enough to keep them just barely. I will not be giving them money till they get their shit together.
Also to attack wild west exodus for their 2-3 months of lateness is foolish because one they had one less faction then prodos, their heavies came in the initial wave (still waiting on the prodos ones). they prodused at least 8 characters per faction and unlike prodos which promised plastics and made some bad plastics by their own admission WWX plastics are some of the best plastics I have ever seen including GW.
Eh, it’s swings and roundabouts really. I just jumped on to the WWX KS and lo and behold there are upset people complaining. I guess that’s how you know it’s a kickstarter project 😉
I’ve heard great things about the quality of the WWX minis (hard plastic, right? I hear that stuff is pretty sweet) but I’m sure that’s no consolation to the people that don’t have their items yet. As far as I can see, their pledges are 4 months late and it’s hard to tell the genuine “missing items” complaints from the confusion over the multiple waves of shipping. Will these people be “Prodos” unhappy when their stuff is 6 months late or their questions haven’t been answered? Will they be “Relic Knights” unhappy? But that’s how things go – by the end of a KS the only people left talking about it are usually the ones who aren’t happy with either the product or the service and if you’re one of those people, it sucks.
People are always keen to cite another KS as an example of how it should be done but that’s almost always because the person in question was lucky enough to have nothing go wrong (much like the, lets say.. 850 of the backers of Warzone who haven’t had anything to complain about). In fact, the *only* KS project I have seen without any negative comments – and perhaps just a few “when will my order be shipped” questions – has been the Achtung! Cthulhu KS from Modiphius.
So, like I said earlier, take all comments, both positive and negative – with a pinch of salt before you commit to an add-on like this. At least with these minis, you have the chance to assess the quality of Warzone figures for yourself before adding another £15 to your Mutant Chronicles RPG pledge..
Good to hear that Modiphius is on the ball.
And yeah, even with my admittedly personal grudge against Prodos even I admit that Relic Knights is perhaps the biggest fail in miniature gaming KS history.
It does indeed suck. As you mentioned below if the models don’t arrive to each backer in the group around the same time and if not everyone is happy with it it becomes DOA. I’ve said more than my intended peace on why I’m upset so I won’t reiterate it here.
On a personal level it has made me much more wary about backing anything else, at least as far as a miniature game goes. I would back something like terrain because it has its use so long as I’m playing something. And I would probably back a board game because it does not rely on friends to also get it to play.
But a miniature wargame…eh, in hindsight, too many complications.
Hoo boy yeah you are not wrong. I suppose that’s an inherent problem with KS that we only started to appreciate in 2013, especially when there is a big gap between pledge delivery and retail. Boardgames and RPGs are a safer bet for the people who want to play them because only one person is making the investment so the whole group can play.. but that still doesn’t make the backer feel any better when his buddies don’t want to play that game any more.
Since I’ve just moved away from my gaming group to the middle of nowhere, I’m going to make my kids play a hell of a lot of Myth, Guardian Chronicles, Achtung! Cthulhu and Mutant Chronicles so I can get my monies worth… 😀
Pretending to be a transformer on here and yet a space marine on the Warzone Facebook forum where you post your painted WZR models and a part of the community! Funny, so I guess all the ny gang are here explains the concerted effort of negativity here!
To answer you question above, I know the poses because everyone else here in the “NY gang” has gotten their models so I have seen them first hand. Hussars don’t fit on their bases. Capitol soldiers don’t know how to hold guns. The only faction I can’t really comment on is Cybertronic because it is the one I’m getting…or was going to get. Who knows.
Tell you what why don’t you spam this page as much as you can…. Oh you have. Be honest you have a beef and that’s it mr jester. Posting lots doesn’t change that, lots of posts from the same person doesn’t make their pov more important than any other. Just shush now and go and spam another forum
I painted those models before I knew I would have no one in my state to play the game yet. I am a very forgiving gamer I am willing to forgive pastiche 40k aka MC. Doesn’t change the fact that I regretted my purchase since the day they announced alessio. I stayed in because a friend talked me into staying in and he recently sold off all his bauhaus. I stayed in despite my better judgement and that was wrong. I should have never backed the project from the begining. I tried to stay positive and well the punches kept coming. I was a fool for backing them and I will admit it which is why I would not give them money for aliens vs predator and I wont back this project. To be honest I feel the warning people is apt.
I feel pretty bad for you because it’s clear you are a 2nd tier victim of shiny syndrome and it’s a pain for anyone who is trying to introduce a new game into an existing group of friends / gamers. You get a few of them interested and you all order your stuff in and then it turns into a kind of Wild West showdown to see if everyone can hold their nerve.
..but that rarely happens. Instead, someone flinches and decides that it has taken too long / has heard bad things / there’s no communication / New Game X looks much better and before you know it you’ve got a substantial investment in a game that you basically can’t play with your friends. That’s got to be even worse if your stuff hasn’t even arrived yet.
It’s a real shame because I’ve seen some guys post on the forums with some really nicely painted stuff and then suddenly it’s all on eBay and they have bailed on the game. 🙁
For our gaming group it’s the Warzone (Is finally back)!, nothing new, just refreshed 1st and 2nd ed, maybe not perfect, and its not 1st one but, we all start to like it, including the cards aspects.
damn I cant find nothing on ebay, only this Pro painting services :
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Warzone-Resurrection-Praetorian-Stalkers-w-Close-Combat-Weapons-pro-painted/171233998890?_trksid=p2050601.m2372&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D207%26meid%3D4610259268579283098%26pid%3D100085%26prg%3D1112%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D171233998890%26%26clkid%3D4610268741213602848&_qi=RTM1562569
And this as well, pro painting services:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Warzone-Resurrection-Capitol-Heavy-Infantry-Squad-pro-painted/171234002360?_trksid=p2050601.m2372&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D207%26meid%3D4610259268579283098%26pid%3D100085%26prg%3D1112%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D171233998890%26%26clkid%3D4610275373433416601&_qi=RTM1562570
and Prodos Painting studio guys:
damn some skiled painters they have.
Actually siygess it was the friend who sold off the bauhaus who did the talking to get me to part with my money. So in a sense I was left holding the bag.
Then he deserves a swift kick in the nuts lol
Well, that or you put all your stuff in a box and when WZ:R starts to gain some momentum (could be a while..) and he starts to regret getting rid of his stuff, you can pull out your army and rub it in his face 😉
Well, at least there is a lot of new models coming out and Imperial! I hope it wont take them “forever” this time! ;] This could be breaking point. Our group is waiting for this, if prodos makes Imperial outstanding but not broken then I can say that the WRZ will fly again, how knows, maybe it could as big as in ’90.
Sadly I think for WZR to really succeed they would have to throw their current priorities out the window and do something that would make the existing backers very unhappy. But that’s another story..
maybe thats why I am still holding on to the book and my dark legion.
All I know is that it’s going to be real amusing come the summer, when everyone’s minis start melting =)
Im having an out of body experience. Just thought Id add that. Whats this link about again?
Big WZR shipment received here, finally. Hang in there and dont give up, it took some extra time but was well worth it.
Atleast they have designed proper rules and arent overcharging for their minis. It is very much possible to get a playable force for a very reasonable price.
If I had to say what should be the priorities of Prodos, it would be in these steps
1-Get the KS pledges done and keep regular updates on their status.
2-Start making the models of the book who aren’t already made (they are actually doing this presently).
3-Start Imperial.
4-Start producing the models in high quality plastic (this was one of their initial goal).
I think once this is all done, people will have a hard time finding someting to complain about.
Hah! Okay I wasn’t going to do this because it’s veering pretty far off topic but.. what the heck.
I think in order for WZ:R to find the traction it needs to build up any kind of player base then Prodos need to do the following:
1) The writing team need to stop ignoring the forum. They need to put out a version 1.2 of the PDF rules which corrects every error the current forumites have found and clarifies every rules query the KS backers have raised so far because almost every one of them is valid. They also need to ensure that the rules include cut-out templates. I can’t stress how important it is to reduce the initial investment of getting in to a new game, particularly in light of the fact that the physical templates are out of stock..
2) The procurement people need to put in a new order for CORRECTED cards and they also need to order in the retail packaging for the existing models if they haven’t done so already. They also need to print of some slips to be included in each starter box that tell the buyer where to download a copy of the rules if that isn’t on the box.
3) They also need to assess their current method of mini production. Honestly, I am very happy with the quality of of the minis when they are at their best, but sometimes the resin they use goes a bit wonky and a few minis end up with rather soft detail. I also gather that the method of producing these minis is rather labour-intensive. They need to decide if they can meet (retail) demand that way or if they should find another way to producing the existing miniatures. Either way, they need to have stock ready by the time the retail packaging and reprinted cards come in.
4) Here’s the worst bit. They have to say “sod the KS backers” and start sorting out distribution deals to get the results from 1 – 3 into the hands of new people as soon as humanly possible. I can understand if they don’t want to sell via UK stores since they are based in the UK themselves but they definitely need to have some starters sitting on shelves in the US and elsewhere in Europe.
Right now, they are working on a couple of new units that are in the book but aren’t out yet, but who are they going to sell them to? The 1000 backers (well, lets call it 900 by the time you factor in the number of people who threw in the towel early) plus maybe a couple of hundred people who purchased stuff via the web store? Meanwhile the rest of the staff are presumably doing their best to fix problems for an ever-dwindling pool of KS backers who don’t have their stuff yet.
Getting orders out to these people is how you do right by the KS backers but for the 30 or so people who haven’t received anything, the eventual arrival of their stuff is only going to succeed in turning very angry people into mildly disappointed people. I hate to say it, but I think in order for WZ:R to survive, they have got to start prioritising retailers and new players over the remaining KS backers. :/
One of the issues with KS is that though you become an investor of sorts in a specific activity, you have no control or real influence. If a company gets their sums wrong what is to stop them launching multiple consecutive KS campaigns to generate monies to complete the previous ones. At some point the Pyramid scheme will go pop. Not aiming that at Prodos or any entity in particular but its a risk with the lack of enforced clarity. KS controlled staged fund release would help, they wont do it though.
They won’t cause it’d simply be unfeasible for the KS to do it. They’re essentially preorder system, not a financial institution. If you KS something, you have to be aware you’re buying a cat in a bag. It’s a risk and you have to decide if the offerings are worth the risk.
I am so enthusiastic about the book, the annoyance at the kickstarer does leave. Most of the miniatures are solid, I think it is growing pains.
When I picked up the Rulebook which was easily worth more than the £30 they ask for, it sent me back to the old days of the old Warhammer books where the whole experience inspired you.
Kickstarter is healthy in that it shows people up front what Capitalism REALLY is like, rather than the BS we’re fed in schools and the media. It’s tough, and Kickstarter shows us the risk and difficulties that surround capitalism: which is why investors demand A LOT of money back, it’s a reward for them risking their cash: and sometimes their cash vanishes.
Kickstarter, however, is more or less Charity, look at it that way. Do not make the mistake of thinking it is a pre-ordering system just because some companies treat it that way (and are usually the more reliable, Mantic for example). For the most part, it’s you taking a risk with your cash in the hope of a reward.