Weekender: Warhammer Rumours & Terminator Minis This Summer!
January 10, 2015 by dignity
It's been quite a wild start to 2015 with a whole bunch of announcements and plenty of rumours flying around. What better time to start off the first proper episode of The Weekender!
We give our thoughts on Privateer Press and how they seem to be making it all the easier for you to jump into the world of Warmachine & Hordes with not only some rather interesting army sets but their neat role-playing game Adventure Kit too.
Warlord Games officially got behind the Terminator Miniatures Game as well which is being penned by wargaming favourite Alessio Cavatore. We can't wait to see what comes out of this skirmish game in the summer.
Not only that but Knight Models are seriously cranking up the generator when it comes to the Batman Miniatures Game and they've been showing off some awesome page previews and pre-order details for the rulebook itself!
Warhammer Fantasy Battles has also gone into seeming free-fall online when it comes to rumours and we'll be giving our opinions on what we think of the information that dropped earlier in the week.
Also, did you try and win yourself a copy of the 4Ground Stoic Arms Tavern? We have the winner for you this episode!
Happy Gaming!
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Phew, was starting to get withdrawal symptoms from a lack of Saturday morning awesomeness before work!
@warzan what’s that cool figure behind your head at the stormtroopers feet?
And I quite like the idea of expansions via white dwarf, always worked pretty well with the chapter approved articles, then at the end of the year they used to publish all the articles in a shiny book.
Ah yes, expansions published in magazine that can only be bought in a GW store…
that’s gonna work for every one
You can buy White Dwarf Weekly in any FLGS. Don’t have to just get them in GW stores.
BoW Ben
I used to have a subscription to the monthly iPad version of White Dwarf. Since it went weekly I have literally bought just one copy. I would still buy an iBooks version, if it existed but the ebook version looks terrible and the nearest shop which sells it is 3 miles away. They have made WD just enough of a pain to get hold of that I really can’t be bothered with it anymore.
Works for me and you cant keep everyone happy can you, and as @brennon kindly pointed out you can get them in any FLGS
Just worked it out, the Khador box and the Skorne box is bang on 35 points, which is pretty much the standard points size for games of warmahordes
Plus I hate to say it the unleashed kit as far as I am aware is not the full rules, its a set of scenarios, models and enough rules to get you through that. think of it as the operation icestorm box,
Sooo… the Red Hood. As it looks like you’ve figured out yourself, this is a complicated history. The Red Hood began life as a Joker origin story (which is the one Justin summarised) which was then largely forgotten about for the best part of forty years. The artwork on the front cover of the special edition rulebook comes from a comic called The Killing Joke by Alan Moore and Brian Bolland. This is the story that Lloyd touched on. In it, Moore delved back into the characters past and re-told his origin which ran parallel to another story set in the present in which the Joker puts Jim Gordon through the worst day of his life to prove to Batman than everyone is just one bad day away from going insane. The artwork on the rulebook comes from the panel where the Joker goes insane. The Killing Joke became a very successful and iconic Batman story (and was big influence on both Tim Burton and Christopher Nolan).
About the same time, DC killed off the second Robin, Jason Todd. Todd hadn’t been well received as a character and DC actually ran a phone vote to have readers decide whether he lived or died. They voted for him to die and the Joker killed hm (in a story called Death in the Family). He was then brought back in 2006 as the Red Hood following a big universe-wide storyline called Infinite Crisis which changed some elements of the continuity. The ltd ed mini from the rulebook looks to be based on The Killing Joke version of the character. The Jason Todd version I believe is getting a standard retail release.
Also, as I think Lloyd mentions, DC muddied the waters a bit following The Killing Joke and implied that it wasn’t actually what happened. Quite rightly too as it diminishes the character for him to have a proper origin story. He works much better without one.
I hope so the New 52 Redhood and the Outlaws is one of my favourite series. What they did with Infinite Crisis and the whole New 52 Re-launch is try to unmuddy the waters a bit and just start from scratch so yes if you want to go back and look at all the classic story lines and some of them are just amazing then by all means do so but with the New 52 relaunch you don’t need to you can just enjoy from #0 again and not have to worry about continuity from classic comics.
Loving a lot of the sculpts Knight models have been pumping out and looking forward to a Redhood model (fingers crossed all the Outlaws make an appearance I know Roy “speedy” Harper is available already so just J.T and Starfire to go :P)
Why learn so much lore when it is so heavily ret-conned all the time. Comics are the worst for this kind of thing. If we thought GW and Disney were bad for it just try and wrap your head around the “history” of one DC character. Probably cooler to write your own story and make it how you want.
You don’t have to learn so much lore. There were 31 years between the first and second telling of the Joker origin. Very few people by 1988 would have known the original story existed. You didn’t need to know any previous history of the Red Hood when the Jason Todd version was introduced. You didn’t even need to know who Jason Todd was. These are stories that date and are refreshed for new generations. They don’t require a great knowledge of lore to understand what’s going on.
*37 years
Very interesting to hear your thoughts on the direction of Warhammer Fantasy, just thought I’d respond to the points which spiked my interest. I’m with Warren round bases and grittier and darker skirmish game sounds exciting. The problem for me is that Warhammer Fantasy ‘was’ mass battles. GW killed the desire for this by rule revisions which pushed more and more power to individual models and the escalation in costs to field huge armies. I think its a good business move as they clearly aren’t likely to be reducing the cost of miniatures. The reality, sadly, is that they have been using the same business model for the last 20+ years and the gaming community has moved on.
I will take a look at the new Warhammer Fantasy as a possibility for 28mm fantasy based skirmish in the future and will continue to love my Mantic KoW that allows me to field my massed Dwarven legions.
I am going to guess that the arms war between ‘Tank God’ and ‘Herr Doctor Justine’ is related to Bolt Action armour and the proliferation of new kits, including the forthcoming Tiger 1?
Jeff is also known as the Demolisher 😉
I’m not so sure I would swop out eSorscha to start with as she also has the ability to buff Winter Guard, but yeah its good that changing Warcasters changes the playstyle of the army.
Warmachine is something that I can see me going 100% with and I’ll be picking up that 35pt Khador set soon as.
Great saturday morning entertainment guys.
I think the reason GW would put supplements into White Dwarf is you can only buy them direct. For many people means going into a store and footfall is exactly what they want. Even people who buy online and are faced with paying postage might figure that if they’re paying postage anyway, they may as well add a mini or two to the order. I got the recent Battle of the Five Armies WD insert and the quality was excellent. It obviously wasn’t hardback and it was staple-bound, but it could easily have been a product that sat on the shelves on its own merits.
Thanks for another great weekend starter!
Consider the timeline that GW has covered for Hobbit & LOTR, if you consider the whole range there are both individual characters (e.g. Strider/Aragorn and Gandalf) and whole units that ‘fit’into a particular part of the story. You’ll always have the kind of player who says “but that kind of Orc and that other kind were never within 100 leagues of each other at the same time” and you’ll have casual players who say “they’re proxies for X which fits into this scenario so they’re using these stats”.
Some will be slaves and pedants to the fluff (you get it in 40k too) while others will be happy to say ” how many points and what style of game? Right let’s play!”
Very bad news having a limited run of mini’s, Warren is spot on with this one, and what about the after-market? Could make a fortune on ebay, no need to wait 10 years before the value doubles, a year would do it.
Lies! No one can beat Mark Hamills Joker!
I was going to say that if I could play in any universe it would be the Mark Hamill and Kevin Conroy Batman: The Animated Series.
I’d love to see them do some miniatures based on those versions of the Batman universe since they were the ones I grew up with! Everyone always looked so cool!
BoW Ben
Yep, Batman the Animated Series is a cracking show too.
Batman is looking amazing, trying to resist. For me Keaton’s batman and villains would be the fun one to explore in game. Amazing as the Nolan films are I feel stylistically Burton created a much more colourful and comic book world – penguin being a particular favourite
Call me Mr Cynical but for Warhammer does limited edition models mean he doubling of the price due to rarity value?
To be even more cynical . Would you then go into your GW store and buy your 40K marines that would also include a sprue to convert them into a Warhammer Fantasy Religious knight?
+1 for cynicism
For me the Warhammer rumours are very mixed. We have already had one guy drop out of our escalation campaign we just started because he can’t be sure anything he buys in the next 6 months will be usable in 9th.
I’m not fussed about the rumoured fluff change, though I do think its very extreme. We wanted the story to progress (hence End Times being so popular) but GW have gone from a stagnant story to a complete reboot almost.
Round bases makes sense for a skirmish. I’ll just use square bases on my old models. I’m sure most opponents wont mind.
The big problem, and what I think is where GW will fall down, is that these rumours provide plenty of reasons for current players to stop playing and not many to reasons to continue. Old players will switch to other gaming systems, opponents will become even rarer and I’ll end up switching too.
With regard to thought on warhammer I have posted lots in discussion forum, but it maybe that @warzan is the target audience – someone with no investment in current armies, or background and no love for mass battles. However I can see them losing a lot of their current player base, what are your thoughts on that?
Agree with you views on release ideas, particularly with a hobby where people can spend months painting a unit – even at skirmish scale rolling product is not great for the more gaming orientated players.
Oh at @warzan why with the health and safety bases? 😛
The cruel reality is that their current player base is stagnant too. They have already put all their money in so GW doesnt loose that much if some of them leave.
I’m afraid that all three of you are wrong chaps: The best Joker bar none, accept no substitutes, is Mark Hamill. There is a reason that Warners have made use of his distinctive voice for most of the last 20 years since Batman The Animated Series (in much the same way that TAS Bruce Wayne/ Batman Kevin Conroy has set the standard for all who follow him)…..
Is this just limited to live action/animated portrayals of the character by actors/voice actors? Or are comic book versions included as well?
Oh not at all. I’ve only really read Batman since the early 2000’s consistently, but if you’ve got a writer who “nails” a character it can be just as defining as a good actor playing the part. And in fact the comic book medium is far more forgiving of changes in tone between different writers – in the case of Joker it’s even been used as a character point that every time a new writer takes him in a different direction he’s trying out new material, constantly reinventing himself to face The Bat.
For example, in the modern era I’d say that Grant Morrison and Scott Snyder in their respective runs across several books have delivered fascinating takes on Batman, his allies and his rogues, with each making the Joker theirs with a distinctive voice and approach. Towards the end of the No Mans Land event when Greg Rucka brought the clown back into proceedings it was with a dark edge that reached it’s apex when he shoots Sarah Essen (Jim Gordon’s wife at the time). And of course Alan Moore’s Killing Joke (with Brain Bolland’s gorgeous artwork) and Frank Millar’s Dark Night Returns arguably defined Batman & the Joker for all writers who followed.
I think Hamill’s voice acting works very well in its context, but it’s a bit too pantomime villain for me to regard it as a definitive Joker. I wouldn’t consider any of the live action or voice acted Jokers to be better than the best comic book renditions. It’s not their fault. The character is perfect for comic books and something is always lost when it’s translated.
Had to log in just to agree with Justin there, Batman Beyond was great. I loved it as a kid and I think it still holds up very well even today.
I loved the art style, the futuristic setting and even the look of Batman himself in it. I’ve never been a big fan of swooshy capes so I liked the Batman Beyond version a lot.
The theme song alone for that show is superb. Don’t get me wrong, I love the old 90’s series (especially the intro and theme for that) but I think Batman Beyond is very underrated and it’s a shame we many never see anything worth while set in that period again.
And lastly on the topic of Batman Beyond, I think it had some pretty interesting villains. Blight was awesome.
I really enjoy your company guys every weekend. By the way, the “bubble” thing is something that confrontation had at its own universe by a different point of view. I tried to love warhammer for some years but something didn’t worked correctly for me.
Loved the show. Not sure what to make of the fantasy rumours, I’ll reserve judgement until I see it, but like warren I think that endless limited minis and negating current collections, if they should happen, are very poor choices for long term viability.
Gotham looks great in the batman book, but its just one too many games for me so not something I’m looking at, still getting to grips with infinity N3 at the minute.
Yay the really long wait is over and the Weekender is back 🙂 roll on tomorrow for XLBS
Great show and loving the look of Batman.
@warzan On the Warhammer Fantasy front I’ve had a email in the inbox from GW this morning saying:
“FEBRUARY 7th
Warhammer World’s big announcement!
Don’t miss out, check your email
on February 7th.”
So we don’t have too long to wait to see if your speculation is correct.
I assumed that was related to the re-opening of Warhammer World.
Speaking of the Joker; DC are currently giving away the digital version of issue #1 of Brian Azzarello’s excellent Joker mini-series. This version of the character pre-dates the Heath Ledger version, to which it bears a striking similarity –
Here’s the link for the issue – https://www.readdcentertainment.com/DC-Comics-Essentials-The-Joker-1/digital-comic/1433400015001
Also, free Scooby-Doo & Batman team-up –
https://www.readdcentertainment.com/Halloween-Comic-Fest-2014-Scooby-Doo-Team-Up-1-Featuring-Batman/digital-comic/1359400015001
Scooby-Doo & Batman? Sounds like the PERFECT blend for @warzan and his gamer in training Savannah. Now he can put her mini’s on that new Batman terrain and he has the cannon to back it up 😉
It sounds like WFB’s turning into Warmachine with added limited edition BS.
IMO limited edition is BS in any circumstances. It’s turbo-BS when this limited edition stuff gives you an advantage in games. It’s enormo-turbo-BS when this is limited edition stuff that you spend ages painting.
It all sounds like far too much effort to keep up. No thanks.
Yeah, that is where my interest died for the new WFB for me (assuming the rumors are true…take a large heaping of salt with it.)
Skirmish? Yes. Round bases? Yes. Having a limited edition mini cycle? A big, fat no.
Warren was describing the business model scaring off certain gamers and I would be one of those gamers. Alternative sculpts or the occasional limited edition mini with a new rulebook or as a Gencon release doesn’t bother me. But having the business model sort of revolve around that concept is a complete turn off.
I hated it when Rackham did it and it sounds like this is a similar concept. I don’t want to have to feel the pressure of making sure I get the limited edition mini when it goes on sale. I don’t want to have to worry about playing a game and getting stomped on because my opponent bought a bunch of the limited releases and I only have the general releases…narrative play or not no one likes to feel like they’ve lost because of an unfair rules advantage.
I don’t think Lloyd or Justin are quite getting it…they keep talking about how it doesn’t matter because of where the storyline is but that is assuming people are invested enough in the storyline to make it their main concern. It won’t be for the majority of players. Their main interest is in awesome minis and most won’t accept the idea of not being able to get certain ones because the storyline, which they may just be getting into, has moved on.
Warmahordes has a progressive storyline but if you are interested in pCain or pAsphexyious you can still buy and play those models. Heck you can still buy pBaldur and that guy has died (twice!!).
Great weekender and welcome back Warren. The guys have done a great job holding the fort !! I can’t believe I won the Stoic Arms after so many fantastic suggestions. It is great to have won as we have just finished our last building (The Sassy Gal) and were just about to pick up the Stioc Arms at the next show. Thanks again guys.
Congrats, man. And I hope your dream becomes reality (the one about 4ground making the Dad’s Army church, not *that* one!)
Welcome back guys!
As I said on Brennon’s thread earlier in the week – If you believe the fluff in one of the End Times books, an armoured knight sounding very similar to Draigo was discovered in some woodland (haven’t read it myself so description maybe slightly inaccurate). We now have a “religious” heavily armoured army to match chaos – so Draigo moved to the Old World and formed fantasy Grey Knights? 🙂
Listening to the talk about the potential of a limited release schedule I find a little concerning. Looking at the current limited releases / “Special edition” stuff – it’s all sold out in minutes on the GW site, only to be up for sale on ebay shortly after by the profiteers. Whilst GW won’t miss out on the initial sale, ultimately this has the potential to put people off the game again if the releases are limited to the same degree.
If the plans are to cut back on number of armies and lower the model count in an army, I don’t really see the need to make minis limited as the stocks will be lower anyway. I could easily see the idea of limited batch runs of minis, so if you miss out on the first batch it will come round again at a later date. The moulds will exist already so not as if you need to produce minis once and destroy the mould.
Even a mature gamer with a reasonably well paid job, I’m not going to be rushing out to buy minis just because it’s time to buy them or miss out, so I dread to think what this will be like for younger players / parents. Yes it’s a quick win for GW on the initial sell, but as with the ebay profiteers I previously mentioned, it has the potential to put people off. As a skirmish game I could be tempted to come back and play fantasy (haven’t played “properly” for at least a decade), but as a living universe with finite lifespan of minis, I find that very off-putting.
As others have already commented on previous threads, if all this is true, Ronnie Renton must have a sly grin on his face reading it! 😉
“releases are limited to the same degree.”
That should actually read “releases are limited to a similar degree.”
I remember reading a long time back somewhere WD? That the Warhammer world was in the 40K universe somewhere so they may just be closing the circle saying one of the chaos regions has expanded to cover that world like Tanith has (Gaunt’s Ghosts) perhaps?
Eh How can there possibly be a continuous story line if this Bubble Bullshit is true?
These rumours and the direction Warhammer seems to be going is just sickening. There’s no reason why they can’t make a mass-battle Fantasy game with superior rules (no pivoting etc, whatever you like) with a supplement 10-20 man warband game sold on the side, the hook to leading you into a bigger game.
I had a theory on the other forum and am alarmed to see @warzan give slight weight to it. I inferred, with tongue in cheek, that GW board members sat in a room and thought, well “Space Marines sell… so let’s just make Fantasy Space Marines” i.e. all other units, once culled, will be support units to the main “power armour models”. I sensed this because of the leaked picture of a Skaven chap CLEARLY IN POWER/TERMINATOR ARMOUR but fantasy scaled.
Now we’re hearing bulked up “good religious” faction models who are bulky? This reeks of copying Warmachine (and MAYBE we’ll find that Fantasy is now compatible with 40K, note that these stupid bubbles as is stated could be in the warp + the hint in the printed End Times stories that someone bumped into someone who could be Draigo from 40K…) where the game is centred around the Fantasy Space Marines who are steampunked up.
RIP Warhammer, I just hope GW have the decency to WARN US and let us buy up the wonderful miniatures they’re about to scrap.
Why on earth should I buy Fantasy warhammer if it’s just another skirmish game – like every other game out there.
I’m not going to let myself get upset/excited about WHF until I see an announcement from GW.
Great show guys, has been a great start to 2015 from BoW.
When reading the rumours regarding fantasy I was quite excited until I got to the potential limited run of miniatures. I completely agree with warren, this will turn the community into the Haves and the Have nots, and that is not good when dealing with a wargame. The only people who benefit from that are the people who buy loads to sell at a later date on eBay.
Good bye Warhammer, hello Mantic, and Mordheim.
Dark Elves are Dark Eldar. The Dark Eldar are BASED on Dark Elves. Pretty much identical.
“Too much choice means you don’t make a choice”
Or you just buy multiple armies like everyone else does with everything… Come on now, this isn’t an issue with 40K with how many armies? But somehow Fantasy needs to get it’s teeth kicked in? I doesn’t make perfect sense at all to cull the factions down into a joke. It’s just lazy and entirely pragmatic (which may be fair enough) but in terms of fluff or variety it’s a punch in the face to all those Warhammer players who have loved the game.
The only good idea was bringing the Chaos factions back together, note BACK together as they used to be for most of GW’s time.
As I draw to the end of this video I have to say I really wish there were some actual bloody Warhammer players who were discussing this. Warzan doesn’t seem to be a fantasy player, or hasn’t been for a long time – or clearly is just someone who doesn’t like a mass battle fantasy game. Dude, you can’t possibly emphasize with those of us who are seeing the entire universe destroyed and replaced with something that is not at all Warhammer. Thumbs up to round bases? You know all our entire fantasy armies worth £1000s of pounds are on square bases right?
Why is it a problem for there to be a LARGE army book for each of these hypothetical factions, but it’s ok for 40K players to get just as large a codex essentially but merely split into 3/5 separate books? (All Marine Codexes, for example) Please explain.
It is an insult, not something that that should make us feel happy, that we should feel content that we can play previous versions of Warhammer for the simple reason that they’re clearly CULLING unit after unit – not to mention there will be no attempt to update the game.
RIP Warhammer, and go to hell GW if these rumours are true. And to drill this point home, simply imagine your reaction if they changed the 40K fluff entirely, culled half the product line, and reduced the factions to 5 …. doesn’t feel good does it?
It’s simple, the game it dying
Something needs to change
You might love it, guess what you will always have it. Books don’t expire 🙂
You don’t know exactly what’s coming, so I would reserve the wailing and lamenting until you do – you may just be wasting your energy otherwise 😉
No. The sky is falling down.
I’ve already slit my wrists. My tears are a river of sorrow.
lol
Actually the endtimes have done alot for revitalizing it, it hasn’t really got the notice here but other places there has been alot of buzz. Also the books have been selling out pretty quickly and if you look on gws site alot of the different factions have models that have a waiting period as they are sold out. I see alot more people interested and thats just from advancing the timeline. And even before the endtimes Warhammer was prob still one of the top 5 best selling miniature wargames, i would only put 40k, xwing and warmahordes before it.
I think the key factor here is whether the new game coming (if it comes?) comes as a new release, or whether it comes at the expense of WFB.
I think everyone would love a new fantasy skirmish game. But, if it meant WFB disappearing or going the way of Specialist games, that will seriously be a knife to the heart of a lot of long-term fans.
Just to balance the books, I thought the Facebook hot-desk raiding was very funny. Justin MD, tee hee hee. Remember to log out mate and watch Warren like a hawk. One day he’ll forget. 😎
Regarding Warhammer Fantasy, I’m still playing AD&D 2nd. I have enough stuff to keep going for ever. The only thing I can think of as a problem for Warhammer Fantasy players is the minis but (as a non-minis guy) with the hobby being so big these days I’m guessing you should be able to get what you need from non-GW sources.
And the Stoic Arms is indeed a beautiful thing!
I agree with you, but I suppose it’s more of an issue for people who don’t have regular gaming groups, where you need to just turn up with a standard army for what is the going ‘game’ and how to play.
Those will be the people who lose the most should WHFB in its current form go the way of the Squat.
Really excited about the way GWYNN are going with Warhammer Fantasy
Ahhhh rumors…….silly. As a new Warhammer player working on his third army, I will get out of it if they drastically change the game to this extent. Re-basing would be a HUGE hassle. I see them sticking with the current format and simply re issuing Mordheim. This will be the skirmish game with some new mini’s. They recently rebooted the Tomb Kings and it is a army I would love to collect some day. GW simply needs to get all of the armies up to speed with new army books and E books. They will keep expanding the current armies with new release models to keep the older player engaged. Limited edition models will cater to the older players as well. It is a strength to have so many armies to choose from giving the game great diversity. Damn rumors!
(procrastinating btw) I am not convinced now, that this rumour is “all” though if you have contacts, you have contacts though but …. I don’t think they’re gonna drop any of the major races that have a large plastic line of models. You may see certain factions “turn into the same faction” but this might be misleading … first off (all conjecture lol but if you look to 40K, this is my basis for evidence). GW are trying to make profit and working out ways to do this “sensibly” as well as cut costs.
Warhammer 9th will include rules for a skirmish game but the key point is it will facilitate what 40K has tasted: Warhammer Unbound in other words. Run with this thought.
1) You’re seeing lots of big monster kits but the rules and balance issues forbid you from fielding large numbers, this is a barrier to profit – so unbound it all! Field all the Steam Tanks you like. Have an army of Greater Dameons. Done. Warhammer 40,000 did it last year remember.
2) These “6 factions” – what you’ll actually see is less the destruction of the fluff and actually a easier-to-print Faction Book (this is an old rumour note as well) where UNITS (not the army) are put into the same stat line. ALL elf spearmen will have the same stat with a little extra box to give them flavour in some manner. It’s easy and all in one book. You’ll see UNITS being brought under the same statline. Empire Knights and Brets? Same stat. It’s easy to then impose a “flavour rule” or even an upgrade to these models.
3) Note with faction books you will be allowed to – in theory – mix and match entirely different armies together (such as Dwarfs and Ogres, or Dark and High elves) – this is merely an attempt at UNBOUND. IN 7th edition 40K, you can have some stupid alliances now remember).
4) Taking another older rumour, you can expect ranked units of infantry to simply be given upgrade rules (along the lines of the hoards rule logic) to make them stand up to the larger monsters.
5) Noting most of the factions already have plastic models, this allows GW to simply release special character clam packs and unique monsters on a limited release.
TLDR: basically what we’re seeing is not the reduction to a skimish game but the actual start of Warhammer Unbound, along the lines of 40K. Everything is to stimulate sales.
Th triumphant return of @warzan to the Weekender. Huzzah! 😀
I’m completely with Warren on this…. Limited run minis bothers me a great deal… I have several hobbies and I don’t always have money and the thought of a limited Unit coming out and completely selling out before I can get money together for it… very much a pain…Again though all of this is just rumors and heresay so I guess we need to see how it develops.
Im not all that scared of the limited edition minis with rules printed in WD. The limited WD rules will turn into nice PDF torrents and then you just use your cool ork mini you love and say he is this specific ork warlord you just printed out.
i see the limited run models working like the 40k stormclaw deathstorm boxes a couple of new minis that are basically fancy characters that are part of a story when these bubbles collide
Being they do have an Adam West Batman that opens the door for many of the old shows villains to be made. I would love to pick up an Vincent Price Egghead model if they ever make one.
Oh and the goofy thugs that could never do anything right would be fun as well.
Great show guys, as usual.
Warhammer people still play that :0 The best part of the rumors is watching people rant and run around like chickens with their heads cut off 🙂 The one thing you will learn about GW. Play their games long enough and your armies will get trashed often. Anyone interested in Squats? 🙂 (just kidding love my shorties)
Privateer Press makes a great system. I have been playing Warmahordes since day one. I also play the RPG and am looking forward to getting that new box and adding Hordes. The Army boxes look like great deals and from what I can see appear to be about a 30% price break as well(using the prices on their website).
Trying to avoid the Batman game. I am just not that big on superheros. You guys are not helping at all just for the record 🙂
Great to have the weekender back
I reeaally think GW will kill Warhammer with this then 40K& GW shortly after that because limited runs will just piss of all? Most of the players what’s the point of going to the shop (if they can get past the figure touts) to get something that ain’t their when they can see it on EBay at ten times the shop price? I just hope I’m wrong never played the game have painted some of the figures for family & liked them mostly I just hope something good happens for the players.
that reminds me I still have beastmen boxes I got for Heroquest to paint. Lol
I remember reading that origin story of the Joker ages ago! I’d tried to find it since, but I couldn’t remember much about it, other than Batman swimming after, who I now know was originally Red Hood, something I didn’t know until now or had forgotten, and him being turned into the Joker. I wonder if that origin story will be used the next time the Joker is in the movies?
Jack Nicholson’s Joker was my favourite too! 😀
Reducing the factions to six in WHFB sounds good; I reckon you would still be able to choose to field just one part of the multi-race armies as opposed to having to field a unit from each race. I imagine the army books will be quite a bit bigger though.
I don’t like the idea of limited edition minis though. As @warzan said, players will feel left out if they start playing the game after minis they could’ve got earlier are now sold out or snapped up by eBay sellers. It’s a crappy way to go and makes people feel like they’re being messed about by GW, in the same way with the limited edition minis in the last two campaign boxed sets. Why can’t they just think more about the sodding customers?!
I’ve never liked the square bases. Round ones that fit into a movement tray with round slots in them like the LoTR minis is a great idea. It’ll stop them shifting around as they would with square bases on a flat tray, and make them easier to play with on a gaming table.
I wasn’t too interested in the Warma/Hordes stuff, but that rpg looks very interesting, I’d like to see more of that.
And I can’t wait to see what Alessio has to say about his Terminator game! I was already going to paint my Necrons in the style of the Terminator movies, now I might just save that for the real things!
There was a Terminator miniatures range that I saw a long time ago in the early 90’s in my old model shop. I never saw the rulebook for it, but they had terminators and human resistance fighters. I wonder what happened to them? Can’t wait to see the new minis for this too, I think I’m even more excited about it than I was when I first heard there was going to be an AVP game. All those HK’s, flyers and trenches, bunkers, skulls, infiltrator terminators with rubber skin, dogs, skulls, phased plasma rifles in 40 watt range, skulls, bazookas, gun platforms on old cars, burnt out playground, skulls, dead terminators, skulls, all sorts of awesomeness! And skulls!
Maybe all the skulls in 40K are influenced by that shot in The Terminator and T2 since? I don’t know. Skulls! 😀
Fantastic show
I can’t see any fraction being dropped in WFB, having the game go from skirmish war band size to full blown army size shouldn’t be a problem although bases would have to remain square ?
Batman game looks great mini wise but not seen any rules yet.
I am a little worried about being able to use the models i have spent far to much time money and effort on no longer being usable but I will reserve judgment on the new edition until it actually comes out.
Ow regarding Killing Joke from what I remember..
Joker ( pre-joker that is ) is now a comedian out of work, skint and looking for a job with the pressure of wife and child to feed, he used to work as a lab assistant at a chemical factory. He get’s involved with some mobster types that want to break into the chemical plant where he used to work, they make joker wear the costume so his not recognised,
Before the job jokers wife dies in an accident the mobsters still make him do the job. During the break-in the security guards kill the mobsters and jokers runs, batman turns up and joker jumps into the water polluted I assume by the chemical plant, the water gets into the helmet which is just mirrored glass and starts a reaction on his skin, he removes the helmet only to see his now altered physical appearance in the water or puddle ? he seems to crack up and thus Joker is born.
I like the idea of a Skirmish part to warhammer, i love the Realms of Chaos books and making WArbands, I still play with those rules now. I don’t mind the combining of the factions aslong as you can still play a specific part if you want, I’ve always wanted to have Dwarves in my empire since 3rd edition and Chaos and undead should never had been broken up.
Everything else, no thank you. I already play 40k, warmachine and occasionally magic the gathering but I also play Warhammer fantasy along with a bunch of other games, why, because they all offer different things. I don’t think scrunching them all into one game is good, as your going to lose that feel and originality that they have. I play warhammer fantasy because, one, I like the world and now with the endtimes i love it even more, 2nd I like the idea of massed units maneuvering into position, launching charges, volleys of arrows and such. I don’t mind a smaller level of combat i think thats great but if its still supposed to support large regiments round bases is going to look like crap even with some special movement tray, it would be like putting round bases on napoleonics. And this garbage about bubbles is corney IMO, its also pretty close to MAgic the gathering except they call them planes and they don’t bump into each other (I don’t think), but powerful characters can travel between them. Also this limited model of sales also sounds alot like Magic the Gathering. I’m just waiting to hear that models a certain amount of time old won’t be in the newer rules so people just getting into the hobby won’t have to worry about getting older stuff to be current, just like in MAgic the GAthering. Tho they will say you can use whatever you want in your own games they just won’t support it.
All in all, I play warhammer fantasy for a reason, these rumors seem to be taking that away, So if this is true its extremely disappointing especially after how excited the endtimes release have gotten me.(the elves have already been combined in the endtimes books just like chaos and undead). I very much doubt i’ll be playing Warmachinehammer the Gathering.
IMO the best way to get new players to play a game is to get the people who play it already super excited about it and to want to spread it.
These WFB rumours are certainly a mixed bunch…
Taken on their own, I’m relatively positive. I’d like a move to round bases (and rules that accommodated it) and I liked the War of the Ring regiment bases. Colliding planes could make for a good fantasy setting (but…). 6 distinct factions, all of which are Warmahordes style built around expensive characters…. could also be good.
However…
It’s a new game. It’s killing off Warhammer Fantasy. Rules-wise, that doesn’t bother me, as I haven’t found the rules fun for a long time (though obviously can see why this upsets existing players). But I like the setting.
And I hate the idea of limited releases: one BIG incentive for me not to get started on this new game.
Which factions will survive? My guess is: the ones that most easily allow GW to trademark stuff. Being based in Egyptians = can’t stop others making Egyptian skeletons. Based on 16th Century Germans = can’t stop others… I think the new setting, for all that they say they’ll allow people to keep using old models, will gradually replace model lines with figures that have a new style and which are easily trademarkable and protectable.
Please tell what, exactly, can GW copyright at all in Fantasy? Apart from a few names here and there.
I have a big feeling they are moving into a steam punkish seeing with the Skirmish game but they still won’t be able to copyright much at all other than names.
I also think they’ll be moving more steampunk: it’s all the rage at the moment, it gives more opportunities for things they do well (i.e. big plastic kits), it flows naturally from the direction they’ve been taking with a lot of their lines over the last few years and it allows them to replace a lot of existing stuff. Also, it’s further removed from real history – which ties in to my point about trademarking.
So, there’s nothing new under the sun – always worth putting that caveat there – but regarding what GW can copyright, i think they have an easier time with 40K (space fantasy) than they do with Warhammer (historic fantasy which is explicitly based on a real period and location).
16th century European armour can be done by anyone. Feathers can be done by anyone. Steam tanks? Sure, anyone can create a steam powered tank, but if a 3rd party makes one that looks exactly like GW’s, they’ll have an easier time suing them than for making a feather that looks exactly like a GW feather.
I’m also not saying it will work. I don’t see that it does 3rd party bit manufacturers any harm calling their accessories as being for ‘space lizard armour’ rather than Salamanders. And yet GW ferociously goes after anyone who tries to use ‘their’ terminology. Another example would be the renaming of Space Marines and Imperial Guard. Presumably these were only done to try to protect their IP. Yet annoying existing fans, and making a significant change with dubious fluff justification… is not going to prevent a single 3rd party bit manufacturer or direct competitor from making a product they wouldn’t have done otherwise.
Having pre-ordered the batman game and picked up a couple of packs in my local store today (Commissioner Gordon & Squat team along with Joker and his crew) all I can say is I hope Knight Models never move into buildings or lego sets. This stuff really doesn’t fit together at all well. I’m hoping I have wrong pieces they are so poorly fitting. I’m definitely missing an arm, the bodies don’t fit the legs and I’m using more greenstuff and milliput than there is metal… Anyone else experienced this?
I was slowly drifting away from wargaming (apart from star trek attack wing) and onto board gaming. But this Batman game has got me really exited again.
I vaguely remember beast of war making a gaming board of a dock/warehouses, which would be perfect for this game. Does anybody have a link to that episode? I cant seem to find it.
I’m with Warren on the heath Ledger joker. Just watch some of his monologues! An amazing actor, he really gets across the whole crazy psycho who “just wants to watch the world burn”.
my poor Tomb Kings.
I haven’t played WHFB in over 2 years or something like that. Tomb kings got a pretty weak book in comparision to those that came before and after… someone I know once put it that the TK book was just an experiment in both 6th and 8th for what rules they wanted to build for Vamp Counts to make sure VC were strong.
that being said I’m not surprised they would be cutting them.
guess my army is getting “squatted”
I am happy Mordheim is coming back.
Although another look at the rumours could also make it look like they are just going to grab the 40k rules and switch out the artwork and tech references. It makes more sense now why 6th ed 40k had a lot of WHFB rules added to it now.
Great show guys
Looking forward to see the new stuff from Privater Press. Menoth for the win ;D
And the thing about all the batman stuff, Mark Hamill best joke voice. I also like the voice of the joker from Batman under the hood, cant remember the actor…
And i argree with Justin about Batman Beyond, it was an awesome series.
WFB well i dont know, way to many rumors.
I’m probably a bit late to the party here but here goes.
The End Times has lit up fantasy around my household, it’s amazing what some new story and additions has done to revitalise the game. It’s brought it back to the front burner, instead of something I occasionally dust off.
Though these rumours have me jumping between excited and apprehensive.
On one hand, after having read the Khaine book, a united elf army sounds amazing! Mixing once hated enemies together in one force makes for some great narration.
Same with bundling Empire, Brettonia, Dwarves and Ogres together. The ideas that spring from this are almost endless. However, at the same time I really REALLY wanted a new Brettonian book.
Though at the end of the day, change is good. Fantasy was in a lull for a long while. End Times has stirred the pot up, while these rumours are set to stick dynamite in the pot and let fly!
Also, like Warren has said before, this is our hobby. We can play however we want, with whatever we want.
I for one am excited about the changes coming to fantasy, (aside from that bubble thing, that’s just weird and limited edition minis that aren’t alt sculpts) and will keep playing it as long as my opponent and I are enjoying the game.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to decide which Ogre beasties I want to field along side my Lady of the Lake worshiping knights, filthy peasants scrapping for food and beer swilling empire and dwarf infantry.
I’m really looking forward to what might be a fantasy shake-up because I’ve always been fantasy curious. There’s always been an intimidation factor though with the perceived minimum playable size, and the community driven mythical mindset that the fantasy complexity was on the far side of extreme. All the rumored changes sound like in theory they are going the right way to resolving those issues, which makes me want to keep an eye on what is going on.
I agree though about the limited releases being beyond aggravating, and it spits directly in the face of what I believe has always been part of the charm of this hobby, which is being able to collect things over (a reasonable amount of) time with patience and persistence. As Warren alludes to, there needs to be a window of availability that is long enough for people to feel as though they have a chance to reach some level of comfortable completion-ism in their collection, and a window of availability long enough for people to feel like they have a chance to collect something. Some of us only get to play once or twice a month – if a model or kit only lasts a lunch hour before it is sold out, it gets to the point where you don’t even want to try anymore. Worse, if you’re not playing on a regular basis and the release/update schedule is too fast, you run the risk of people never getting to use those models in the first place.
When paired with the recent release style of some of the 40K items, the expectation of a Pavlovian response to the funds in my wallet for acquiring models leaves a really bad taste in my mouth.
Thoughts about the new Warhammer Fantasy 9th rumours…
Firstly I applaud Games Workshop for having a fresh idea (first time in over 10 years).
Secondly despite being a previous Fantasy 8th Edition fanboy, I like the idea of the game scaling down to skirmish level as I now have no time, money or resources to play/collect the heavy investment system that is currently is. Although it does make me chuckle as back when I was a red shirt for GW I got a bollocking in public by the then boss for wanting to sell Mordheim as an entry level game. Look who is laughing now Dom, look who is laughing now!!!
However! 2 things:
1)The new starter set had better be good! No more can GW just chuck a load of pretty models in a box, give you a book of rules and a wad of adverts. Times have moved on since September 2010 and starter sets from other companies – Infinity, Drop Zone Commander and Deadzone – are pretty special. I for one love the counters and funky dice etc that you get with a box set. Also I expect a set of rules that are nothing short excellent with interesting dynamics now that GW are creating something new. Lets hope this isn’t another bodge to get money quick.
2) GW Aggressive marketing is major put off and the whole ‘limited edition’ thing and having to buy copies of White Dwarf to expand on the experience to me stinks of another GW desperate attempt to milk money out of us. Will this game last 2-3 years? Or will GW do what it has done many times before and drop it from existence depending on £££? Will this game last longer than 9 months or are the likes of Mantic (Kings of War) safer bets for our money?
@dignity so pro when it comes to warmahordes 🙂
As for the Warhammer changes… I do not like them but I am glad the Skaven will stay