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Weekender: 3D Printed Fantasy Terrain & Unboxing The Glacier King
December 12, 2015 by lloyd
Welcome to The Weekender where it has been a very productive week! There have been a whole bunch of awesome miniatures and more to enjoy and we've been busy hobbying too..
News Round-Up
- Khador Warjacks & Trollbloods - Khador get themselves some new Warjacks while Trollbloods call on their Shamanistic powers.
- Wolsung SSG Golem - Got trudging through a steampunk city with the Wolsung SSG Gigantic Golem.
- US Winter Infantry - Wrap up warm and check out the new US Winter Infantry and Armoured Cars from Warlord Games for Bolt Action.
- Manorhouse Abbey Ruins - Fight out skirmishes from role-playing games and more with these rather wonderful looking ruins by Manhouse Workshop.
Big Beasts & P-VLOGS
Feeding into the awesomeness that is Trollbloods we take a look at the latest Gargantuan for their faction, the Glacier King. If you thought the Mountain King was good wait until you see this guy.
This also leads us into talking about our Parts To Painted series we're looking at running more of. John went through the first one this week on the Ersatz Panther.
Fantasy Terrain & Slavic Myth
We're also taking a look at a few Kickstarters that might peak your interest...
- Winterdale: Medieval Fantasy Terrain Collection - Fancy getting in ahead of the curve and backing this campaign to get your own set of Fantasy Terrain to make using a 3D printer?
- Wormhole - This fun little board game seems like it could be hectic fun with the full eight players around the tabletop!
- Slavic Fantasy Miniatures - We delve into Slavic mythology and history with Deraj Studios' new miniatures line and skirmish game. This one is well worth a proper look.
So there we have it, another jam packed week and a set up for your Saturday morning!
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When I saw the front page image for this, I thought “bloody hell thats a big Troll”, then I realised it wasn’t standing behind the table.
I reckon “bloody hell that’s a big troll” still applies though 🙂
It takes a long time to make something in a CAD program. I know AutoCAD fairly well, and am learning SolidWorks. People who don’t use CAD programs have no idea how complex it is, especially for the precision machining world. And the programs are expensive to acquire legitimately, or else they are poorly-documented and often lackluster freeware.
Thing is precision isnt possible with a cheap home 3d printer, so the cheap and free polygon modelers out there are fine for making cubes and yoda’s
But if you want precision it costs, that said turbo cad is pretty decent for most things and costs a fraction of autocad…
Any printer that prints to 200 micron can print all this out. all the models you see were printed at 200 micron. even the cheapest home printer can easily print this out
Check this link.. this customer printed these out on a $399 printer
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153557296421743&set=p.10153557296421743&type=3
actually this is a better link https://www.facebook.com/groups/makerbot/permalink/848406648610174/
Precision is relative, for me im used to a cnc router i built which can handle 0.3mm pin spacing on surface mount electronic components, so as far as im aware no hobbyist level machine can do that level of resolution out of the box, sure add a magnetic rotary encoder to each axis and micro step the motors, upgrade motor controllers etc. but that’s hardly a project for the casual enthusiast. And for terrain and other necessarily chunky tasks your right pretty much any makerbot clone could handle it, as long as the printable area is sufficiently large to handle the items dimensions.
My £400 printer can print to 0.1mm.
Resolution isn’t the issue.
The visible lines created by the deposition method is what creates the lack of smooth surfaces.
But if your happy to put up with that minor issue the savings are there to be had, let alone the extra layer it adds to your hobby (no pun intended)
Check out my video on how to get rid of the lines https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMssizopgk0
As for the 3D printing costs, it depends on how dense the infill pattern is set, what material is being used, and whether you’re using a printer that uses some sort of proprietary print cartridges. Lloyd is right about the .STL being the industry standard. A 3D printer may need to convert it through a slicer into G-code or another format, but the STL is always the starting point.
Yup, it sure is! The Baba yaga was best portrayed in the Hell Boy comics. Also notice how the Old witch of Khador has a ‘jack with chicken-ey legs
oops, this is for the slavic stuff…
The infill is created by the printer software, normally we just leave it on default but it could be less to save money as wargame models don’t need to be strong like mechanical parts etc.
Happy Saturday
Ref the Slavic Minis kickstarter and the giant rooster, that’s actually Baba Yaga’s house and has been a part of her mythology for a loooong time. I’ve not had too much chance to explore Slavic folklore to date but Baba Yaga is one character you can find a fair bit on….
Being as my entire knowledge of Baba Yaga comes from Mussorgsky’s Pictures at an Exhibition, I spotted the Hut on Fowl’s Legs straightaway, too!
Really cool take on the concept, I’m tempted to pick them up for a display piece if they turn out nice enough.
Sod your broomsticks, proper scary witches ride around on a pestle and mortar!
Baba Yaga and her hut are pretty classic eastern European fairy tale characters. Usually the hut is represented as a run down shack with giant chicken legs. This rooster is pretty neat too. It could be a Dark Ages precursor to the TARDIS.
Good weekender.
I’d like to see beasts of war explore 3d printing more. There are so many myths out there about it and yet even now it’s a great addition to the hobby.
Check out my thread in the green room. I have printed loads of bits for my hobby from bases for miniatures that don’t come with bases to card holders, board game accessories, tanks for bolt action &aflame a of war, scenery like dumpsters and crates and a huge titanic robot.
Depending on the model the detail and lines can be an issue but it depends on what you want or can afford/justify in the hobby. Do you pay £200 to get a beautifully detailed 10 tank army for tank wars or do you use £7.50 of abs plastic and print 10 tanks that look good but up close you can see the lines?
A printer can pay for itself in no time hobby wise if you are happy with what it produces.
There are so many wonderful stl files out there and most are free.
In the words of public enemy dont believe the hype. With the current generation of hobbyist 3d printers you would really struggle to produce any thing with as much detail as an injection moulded 50p toy tank.
I can see future of printed proxies/silhouettes but not printed mini’s you do raise a good point about print quality though, never mind the inevitable misprints if your extruder’s or print bed temp is fluctuating and the time it takes to print, which you do have stay put and monitor what its doing. Personally i dont bother with addative printers, but have built a CNC router using some old inkjet printers and a dremel, the advantage is that its much easier to produce higher precision cutting machines than it is to produce high precision extruders, and the sub £1000 machines are just too limited for me to see the appeal
You don’t have to stay and watch. I have a £400 machine and I press print, go to bed/work and when back home or getting up there is my next print.
Don’t get me wrong the machines do go wrong but not that often. Maybe 1 in 50 prints but usually down to poor design of the object being printed I.e. Overhangs not planned right etc.
As I said before it depends what you want or expect from it. Have a look at my thread in the forum. The tanks I have printed are perfectly identifiable and when painted and on a table are only noticeably different when viewed up close. When standing next to the table you would find it hard to distinguish especially when modelled with all the stowage, camp netting etc.
It’s horses for courses.
Indeed it is, i mean no disprespect to individuals who want 3d printing as a hobby, my objection is to marketing blurb which oversells the possibility and down plays the limitations. i.e. joe bloggs buys a printer and expects to plug and play and 10 mins later has an army comparable to what would have been bought from a shop.
As for extruders vs routers, for me it was originally built for routing and drilling circuit boards, and it just so happens that its a bit of kit i can use for both my main hobbies, plus i can cut just about any material i want to with it 🙂
Yo, Weekend!!!!
Maybe 3d printers will be at the right point by next Xmas to ask for one as a present ( maybe from myself… you know us gamers…)
Morning guys,
well I am really in love with the new big minis: one from Privateer and the second one from MicroArt. I do not play Hordes, but the Glacier King is really class. Maybe my Cygnar Army will face it some day. As for the Golem well it might change my new year’s resolution that I have posted earlier on the forums. I am tempted to go for Wolsung and this Golem is like pushing me towards making the decision.
BOLT Action winter force is cool. I still think it can be used in Korea too. John’s P-Vlog was also a great learning experience for me. Did not comment thou “it was sorcery”.
The Winterdale stuff is awesome but I have to agree with @lordtothe about the use of CAD. I tried to learn it once… I gave up.
John is that BOS (Brotherhood of Steel) your are rocking out with?
Hell yeah it is!
Baba Yaga’s hut In Slavic folklore, Baba Yaga is a supernatural being (or one of a trio of sisters of the same name) who appears as a deformed and/or ferocious-looking woman. Baba Yaga flies around in a mortar, wields a pestle, and dwells deep in the forest in a hut usually described as standing on chicken legs (or sometimes a single chicken leg). Baba Yaga may help or hinder those that encounter or seek her out. She sometimes plays a maternal role, and also has associations with forest wildlife. According to Vladimir Propp’s folktale morphology, Baba Yaga commonly appears as either a donor or villain, or may be altogether ambiguous.
..and she drinks virgin blood and eats them after, also likes naughty children I was told when I was kid…
With regards to the 3d printers in game stores, I wonder what the legalities are with stores downloading the files and printing them off as a product. Or even someone buying a 3d printer at home and selling the terrain online. Are there copyright laws regarding 3d printing yet?
Asking for a friend!
LOL, we all cracked up when we heard that ! Your not suppose to sell them, You can print as many as you like under a printable scenery license. But you cant sell the copies or the stl files. 🙂
There are laws covering it.
On thingiverse for example each posted file can have a type of permission selected that says what you can do with it.
All are ok for printing for personal use. Others are not allowed to be sold without permission.
There are also laws covering it from an IP point of view. For example you can use games workshop IP if it’s deemed as fair use. That’s why people that use space marine iconography on their fan websites don’t get targeted by gw as its a fair use of their IP
Here’s me doing my usual Saturday morning stuff with a nagging feeling that I forgot something.
I forgot about the Weekender.
That big chicken house… It’s a Cockaterrace! 🙂
Great video again guys thanks.
I do like that glacier king, never seen the previous one in the flesh so I had no idea just how big those gargantuans are. Really, really great detail on that, I am very impressed.
That glacier King chap is a nice model, it made me think though: do Privateer Press sculpt by hand or have they moved to digital sculpting?
A mix of both. Some figures are digital, other are sculpted by hand, all require artists. All the warjacks are now digital, pretty much, but many of the troops don’t seem to be.The bigger models, like the colossals, are actually a mix of both digital and hand-sculpting.
@splen, elromanozo: Funnily enough, I was chatting to PP’s creative director on this very topic earlier this year. The majority now is CAD. Most of their trad sculptors have switched over and new sculptors tend to work with CAD. He reckons it won’t be too much longer before everything they do is CAD.
*@elromanozo
I think that ‘massive steam-punk robot with lamp post for a club’ is now my new spirit animal
“I think that ‘massive steam-punk robot with lamp post for a club’ is now my new spirit animal”
It certainly looks most impressive – the lamppost gets me as well – inspired.
@lloyd – A euro game does not have to be co-op. Indeed some euros are really highly competitive, especially the heavier ones. The old classic euros such as Catan and Carcassonne are also competitive. Euro game usually refers to a class of games that originated in Germany where due to the events of history warlike themes were not considered tasteful, so games tended to develop around “dryer” themes such as farming or building or running a power grid.
So-called “Ameritrash” is my personal taste) – the shiner, bigger and more thematic the better but this type can also be co-op. 😎
@brianparker good point, I’ve over generalised a bit there. Like you say Catan and Carcassonne are compitive and I really like both. Though I play Carcassonne digitally on the Xbox, great way to get a load of games in an evening 🙂
I’m with Lloyd on the frostbite/trenchfoot issue. Roll a d6 for each fig. On a ‘1’ he has foot trouble and can’t leave his foxhole/trench, so if the unit moves out that guy(s) is left behind.
@lloyd you should totally plays some Hordes/Warmachine. It’s a great game with lots of interesting moments doing game play. Great background material, artwork, and models too! Fun game =)
I definitely approve of the slavic fantasy miniatures, folklore in general is just not tapped enough in fantasy miniatures and this makes a good step to correct that I think. Def the best KS i’ve seen in a few weeks.
On 3d printers, it is how I am considering doing terrain for my own wargame as it means each faction can have a decent selection of terrain pieces that can be downloaded and printed which wouldn’t be feasable otherwise.
Great show, really like the plog/vlog whatever with the ersatz Panther great job. Also enjoyed seeing the unboxing of the giant troll from privateer as I was curious about. The Manorhouse terrain also looked great. You were spot on about using it for Frostgrave.
good show guys a nice mix of articles like the 3d terrain but no printer.
@lloyd the film you’re talking about is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnomes_%28film%29
Brilliant film, was shown on Swedish television quite a lot when I was a kid (and I guess I’m about the same age as you).
Baba Yaga’s hut, mythologically, walks on chicken legs…how that actually ends up described varies and the larger chicken shape of the hut for the kickstarter is their take on that particular myth
HAPPY SUNDAY, I like Slavic kickstrater too fantastic models.To answer your question’s Lloyd -Baba Yaga or Baba Jaga actually – is living in house standing on chicken leg. So it is kind of their own vision of her house, but not true to mythology. the name its self “Jaga” means “suffering”.
about Kozacs trousers – it is actually very common mistake but Kozacs never wore such wide trousers,( we are talking about VI – XVII century) mistake it repeated because of polish painting from that period of nobles from Ukraine terrains (about XVIII century) , I was trying to find original name but I only came a cross “portki” witch is trousers.
That Glacier King is Awesome!
Any chance you guys could do a series on 3d printers and what to look for when buying?
That wormhole game has a cool them, and looks quality, but… It sounds like a fancy version of Snakes & Ladders – and so incredibly dull. Hopefully I’m wrong and there’s more to it than that.
The Slavic Fantasy Miniatures KS looks really interesting. It’s nice to see unusual things and that female sniper is a particularly cool miniature.
The Winterdale stuff looks exciting and amazing. But as I don’t have a 3D printer and I don’t think there’s a FabLab anywhere near Chichester, sadly I’ve probably got no use for it…
Baba yagas house is noveable and walks on chicken legs… so the chicken house is part of the story!
Check out the fables comics theyre really good
Sorry.. baba yagas house is moveable and walks on chickens legs
One of the issues with 3D printing is the time required to print it off. I have a friend who does custom machinery for people using 3D printers and he commented that the printing the village off as shown in the video would require over 500 hours.
Not sure how long it all took to print, it didn’t seem that long because you don’t really notice it.. I leave the printer going before I head off to bed and wake up to new scenery every day LOL
The 3d printable scenery is awesome and has prompted me to look again at print facilities. Last time I looked I didn’t find anything in Sydney, Australia. My brother, a professional artist, had some stuff printed years ago from a company in New Zealand, but I couldn’t (or didn’t) find anything locally.
Now I find many! Including a company in my home town that prints at 100 microns in ABS or PLA. Hmmmm…..
Winterdale have changed their stretch goals.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/printablescenery/winterdale-medieval-fantasy-citadel-collection-for/description
All the bit are separated and the goals have been lowered. It’s a near idea, now I only hope the Tiko printer will deliver on what is promised.
Still love my Trollbloods just need an opponent tese days
A nice show with lots of interesting news. The Trollblood is so beautiful. I really like Warmachine and Hordes. It is a very well balanced game with a lot of powerplaying. You can loose almost your whole army, but still win the battle. It is all about your warcaster or warlock. I like Warmachine more, because it is a bit more simple. But Hordes has more fun. I played with Khador a couple of years, also tried out some Trollbloods and Mercs. You should try to find some pictures of the trolls painted by Fluffy, Ali McVey. Ow I really love those paintjobs.
And if you ever complain about a dull tartan. Remember it is better than no tartan at all. We in Holland don’t have tartans.
The Wolsung robot will make a very nice piece of scenery. Paint him completely rusted and weathered. Some leaves and plants growing on him. How lovely will he look on a Malifaux table. People fighting between his legs, but don’t knowing they are under a mega machine.
Your show inspired me to build a snow table and a snow crew for Malifaux. Thanks!!!
On the subject of miniatures via 3d Printers.
http://www.lustria-online.com/threads/first-post-custom-model-kroxigor.15419/
Wow! I always wonder about the new technologies of the 21st century. I mean, who could think about the ability to print such models on a special printer? That would also be great if those printers become affordable for everyone. By the way, I suppose you can check them on https://www.mrdepot.ca/products/brother-tn450-toner.