Weekender XLBS: Surviving An Asteroid Apocalypse!
February 10, 2019 by lloyd
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FIRST BABY !!!! YEAH!!!!!! In your face other seekers of FIRSTitude !!!! …. Oh and have a Happy Sunday!!! seriously I mean it … I can afford to be magnamanous
happy sunday mate
Thanks Gerry have a good Sunday matie.
Well done mate. You FIRSTed that like a pro!
Thanks mate …. I feel it is important to make the effort 😀
Happy Sunday folks
Sorry we are late, we were just getting dried off 😉
And in Ireland that takes a while. ??
Happy Sunday….. Am I first? There had better not be Cassowaries.
Sorry mate … you are top 5 though … 😉
Well, at least there’s no Cassowaries
absolutely mate .. the bloody things terrify me
So……………Happy Sunday fellow Backstagers!
How would I survive a massive asteroid crashing into the planet? Well, seeing as I work for a company that is 650 ft underground I guess if it hits while I’m at work then I’ll be just fine. We have food and water and all the other essentials to survive for quite a long time. I have taken a few bits of gaming material underground so I wouldn’t go into withdrawals too quickly. But I’d miss the rest of my collection. Oh, and I’d miss my wife too! (good thing she doesn’t spend time on this website)
priorities good to see
happy Sunday folks
Happy Sunday!
Armageddon? So are we finally discussiing Brexit? … Only joking… Not getting drawn into pointless arguments on that topic on this forum!
My big box of HATE (cmon) landed this week. Been wondering what tabletop games the minis could be used in. Already considered Kings of War… Just added Saga Fantasy. Any other ideas?
@avernos – have you considered whether the forthcoming Joan of Arc 15mm based figures could be repurposed into miniSaga armies and do you reckon early 15 century H8ndred years war is within Saga’s capabilities as a ruleset?
If not then it’s screaming out for someone to adapt some battle-boards. Shame now I didn’t take the pledge…
it would certainly handle it, and who knows we may see it with a new universe book down the line. Battleboard wise it may be possible to use two current ones from elsewhere. Or the generic fantasy version may have something that works.
I don’t believe I’m writing this but… Justin’s mostly right about the GW store. Their whole business model is that it’s more than just a retail stock outlet, it’s ‘an experience’. The recruitment, hobby support and gaming space elements are what the stores are about; if they were just a stock outlet they’d be online only by now.
I agree @coxjul. I look at those stores as loss leaders. recruit, teach, indoctrinate. Why else put a Warhammer store in a NZ university town, we have a cathedral so it is technically a city, with the population of around 110,000 plus 20,000 students?
I don’t know, but i wouldn’t be surprised if you are both right. The stores are certainly adverts, and i would think that they produce a hefty amount of online sales, in part because they draw people into the hobby as a habit rather than just as a sporadic few purchases. That said, i wonder for how much longer people will actually ‘go to the shops’ at all in the UK, USA and EU ( each of which have their different shopping cultures and subcultures )? There is a city centre relatively near me that has survived much better than most, but every year there appear to be less shops and more entertainment places ( cafés, restaurants, cinemas, etc ). The entertainment places survive because that city centre in a city that does well on tourism and day trips, which i doubt is a model that can be replicated everywhere even if it were desirable.
@warzan, how can you say that sat next to @lloyd?
I think we’d be more like Pugwash than Flanders
Tell Loyd that FDM printers can make lego blocks that snap together perfectly so he won’t have much in the way of tolerance problems if his dimensions were right.
@lloyd check out the self adhesive range first magnets do…
http://www.first4magnets.com/self-adhesive-c88
Ideal for bottom of movement trays, possibly as the insert too
@warzan I’ve just realised listening to this mornings show that Justin is Beasts version of Karl Pilkington lol
Does that make @warzan Ricky and @avernos Stephen?
I certainly have the height
That is absolute brilliance @warhammergrimace .
Love the smaller saga Gerry
It’s not small enough!
15mm poser scale 😉
cheers, I’m going to start updating the project log once I have 4 points (a basic introductary Saga warband) completed I’m going to swap to the saracens. Then go back and add 2 points to each and so on until I have all 10 points completed. Hopefully I will get a game or two on camera with @lloyd maybe at each level 4, 6, 8 and then grand battle 10 points. Although I’ve cleverly not asked him yet.
3D printing getting faster and quicker and cheaper got printing your own minis?..Yet again my plan to get rich with a new book ‘ How to whittle your own 28mm armies’ has been foiled
2068??? I am dead then …( and GW will probably re-release squats that year just to spite me ) so I am sorry about my lack of concern. The increased number of meteorite strikes is largely because we have become better at detecting them, I remember being on a metorite fossicking trip to the Nullarbor Plain at uni and finding meteorites while not simple wasn’t thnat difficult either. We get hit all the time we are just becoming better at detecting it. “If we are lucky it hits the PACIFIC!!!!?!!!!!” WELL NOW WE KNOW THE LIE OF THE LAND DON”T WE !!!!!!! Stuff you Jack I am right …… I am stopping listening now in disgust ……… okay I am back but my dudgeon is still high … harumphhhhhh !!. Tsunami pods are a stupid idea on any tsumani more than 10m high, there is too much energy in the wave, the ones that regularly strike south east Asia are only 2 to 3 m high and kill thousands.. flatten houses etc and you’ll be pulped inside it even if you aren’t crushed. …. No the fish wouldn’t survive …. the best way to avoid asteriod, commet or planetoid strike by early detection and gravity tug spacecraft (real proposed solution
.. look them up ) to move them off course. Lloyd if the 5 of you survive, it doesn’t matter how much you inter breed there won’t be another generation . ) IF WE ARE LUCKY IT HITS THE PACIFIC INDEED !!!! 🙂 😛 😀
Loved Gerry talking about Saga… still not taking the leap yet though too hard to get over here
Great show guys
Stuck in a tiny ball bobbing on the ocean yeah no thanks.
Late Crusader and Early Viking might be a little off but everything else is basically the same. Sure the Nobility got better gear and tactics evolved but the guys on foot still trudged about mostly in Padded Armour and Carrying Spears. The Early Crusaders were the late Viking Era armies so it probably all comes down to balancing the Battle Boards.
Even in the Crusades book you get El Cid, the “Spanish” and the various North African Islamic Factions which are part of the Viking Era.
Great Job showing 3D modelling software without all the swearing, frustration and pleas to the heavens that normally comes with designing things.
If anyone ever wants some easy stuff 3D designed for them feel free to send me a PM. I might have a go at doing some “Historically Accurate” Siege weapons that can scale properly. An OTT/BoW .stl library sounds like a fantastic idea.
Rather than having a Campaign – War – Battle System maybe use something like the Tag system where you can tag say “The Battle of Bunker Hill” with “American Revolution, Historical, 18th Century, SCALE, SYSTEM, June 17 1775” and some others. I think that’s what you’re proposing with a Date/Genre/Type filter feature and that sounds fine to me.
I see where we were looking at this from two opposite ends. I was looking at it from the “I’m interested in this era so let me check out some battles from it” whereas you seem to be coming at it from a “Wow this Battle I stumbled across/a person I like made a project about looks awesome where can I see more”. Now I see your position I agree that a filter and search option is going to be a better solution. With Community Tags and some basic filters you could get the job done. So right now I’m seeing
“Search – American Civil War”
“Filter – 1800-1899”
“Filter – 28mm”
“Filter – Game System”
And that would give you all the Battles Tagged with those things. Search would be manually entered rather than having to select things from a list. We as a Community could then add tags to our own Projects/Topics like “Campaign X” or “War X” rather than you guys having to do it.
Am I in the Ballpark as to your idea?
I don’t think you need a ’28mm’ type filter. Seems irrelevant to me
lmao
I was being sort of semi serious for once. If you take a battle like Shiloh theoretically you could end up with 11 different entries for all the scales including hex and counter that you can buy ACW figures for if everyone added it to the ‘battle bucket’
Happy Sunday.
I’m not disagreeing with the direction about where the industry is headed. You’ve previously discussed that the GW stores are part of the closed eco system – the store gets them in and they play at the store GW games. If the stores close because we are all 3D printing and that part of closed eco system goes – what replaces it? It’s not going to be necessarily gaming clubs because they play other games so that opens the eco system.
I don’t think the date system works – it works for historical but not for in general fantasy or sci-fi. I dislike the idea of for historical we have dates and for everything else we just have a fantasy or sci fi bucket. So that it looks organised for one but not the other.
Where you thinking of including battle type – e.g. ambush, last stand, assault. So if i’m looking for a type of scenario to play it’s easy to find?
battle type is definately doable 🙂
How about a multi-faceted taxonomy with the following dimensions…
Universe (each has its own date system)
Date (hierarchical to include years, decades, centuries and eras)
Location (again hierarchical to include systems, planets, continents, areas, countries and towns)
That gives you a multidimensional time-space continuum within which to map any event, whether that be a moment in time or a whole war…
Maybe not… Unless you’ve got the budget for a couple of data-scientists to help out. 😉
“If we’re likely, it’ll hit the Pacific”????
Thanks a lot @warzan. If it does, say goodbye to my 3.79 pounds per month. (wink)
EDIT – PS: thanks for the shout out at the end… makes the death by tsunami via asteroid collision almost worth it…. Almost. (wink)
Dammit “lucky” not “likely”.
lol
Like watching 4 hillbillies talk about hunting deer..the way you dress..!!!!
Joan of arch 15mm will be perfect for Gerry’s 15mm saga. Plus it has terrain and fantasy models in it. So if you guys are getting a copy of Joan of arch into the studio, you and Lloyd will have to fight each other for it
we can split it between us 😉
There could be an issue with Justin’s underground shelter except debris falling on the exit. What if the water doesn’t recede enough then you are stuck underground under the water.
The Tsunami pod with GPS tracking sounds good if there will be other people to find you. I think it would be best to prepare for the worst and take into account that nobody will find you and you have to survive on your own.
could buy a second world war U boat… but being from the green isle i say weld some bath tubs together…
It’s a good job the yellow blanket has been sent before the party box was finished…
It’s always set to be open when you push back….
I live half way up a mountain, so…Happy Sunday!
@avernos I like what your doing for your Saga stuff with 15mm. Although that for me will have to wait for my JoA stuff to arrive 🙂 all my 15mm stuff is being based up for Mortum et Glorium, and round bases are just wrong for large scale Battles…lol
true, but my large scale battles are small scale skirmishes, they just look large. I have been toying with making 40mm square sabots that I can drop them into for playing LADLG
Happy Sunday folks
Eating fish after the flood apocalypse? how do you make the batter, and where do the chips come from?
There is such a thing as a sea potato
@warzan plea from the Curation team… Please can any battle database be kept simples ???
you have my word mate 🙂
Hear, hear!
Hey, Happy Sunday everyone! 🙂 🙂 🙂
Definitely interested in the Rorke’s Drift content, and looking forward to future developments from @avernos and friends on this.
On the Battles Database, just asking, will the database show / record who made the entry? It might help people judge the reliability or accuracy of the information (e.g., anything from Gerry in Rorke’s Drift, from @brennon in Hastings, etc.).
Also might users be able to post footnotes or comments or addendums to entries made by other users? The ability to click links to online sources or “further reading” might also be useful.
Just some ideas. I know we don’t want the prospective project too complicated.
pretty much how I see it
A user can create a battle (similar to creating a place)
They can select the basic data and tags and manage the default description and image etc.
The battle will be linked to their account.
Other users can attach what they do to the battle (forum posts, projects etc)
There would be a change log that records who makes changes to the battle etc.
Atleast that’s the thoughts at the moment.
Awesome, @warzan ! Thanks very much for the reply. 😀
RE: The Battle Index
@warzan, I get that your whole philosophy for BoW/OTT is about discovery, along with community (none of us would be here without that…)
For me, I’m looking for inspiration and entertainment.
I rarely use the forums, I skip some of the frontstage Weekenders – the latest company in studio section usually doesn’t interest me.
The last thing I searched for on BoW was to see what people had done with D-Day as I wanted to construct an event for the 75th Anniversary. Most of the things that came back were from @oriskany.
Jim wasn’t using the Games I was interested in using but I got a lot out of them.
I’m wondering how well the BoW content ages.
Does a change in edition invalidate content based on previous editions?
Obviously News ages pretty quickly, but I think that there is some evergreen content which would be good to resurface on a regular basis to serve as inspiration and may lead to discovery.
So around the time of Star Wars Celebration or the next SW Movie, perhaps bring back The Battle of Endor (which of course is now the old edition of X-Wing), the Battle of Hoth (which was a result of a game designer challenge??) or SW: Legion related content.
This way you browse to the games you like and see what content (or battles) has attached to it.
Due to the linked nature it could possibly lead you to other content or games that shared a relationship in the eyes of the users.
It’s not perfect it’s really just there for us lay folk to go ohh that looks interesting I wouldn’t have thought to search for that. 🙂
Oh I understood what you were saying in the XLBS, and your reply to @oriskany made what you saw as the data items for a Battle Registry a lot clearer.
Just offering an alternative point of view.
I’ll totally do something for the 75th Anniversary of D-Day. Perhaps another Worldwide Campaign like we did in 2015. It’ll have to be in the project area, though.
XLBS is a cult now? Called it!
Steam powered asteroid miners – it shouldn’t be super difficult to boil the water; iirc in a vacuum, the temperature of the human body alone is enough to flash boil the moisture in your eyes, so you wouldn’t need much temperature to boil water to get your steam, and vacuum is a good insulator so you won’t have to worry too much about heat loss (someone with a physics degree can correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe this is something a lot of sci-fi gets wrong; in a spaceship the problem wouldn’t be keeping warm it’d be avoiding overheating as there’s not much bleedoff of heat).
Combining @dignity ‘s Basement idea with the Mountain idea – I’m in Wales, so maybe the Welsh Assembly should start putting tax money into revamping all the old coal mines, that way the Welsh could all retreat into them for safety, then when the waters recede, if it takes long enough we’ll emerge having evolved into dwarves. ?. We can make @brennon an honourary Welshman if he wants to join in the Dawi fun. ?
“What’s a Firestorm?” – Firestorm is a character from DC Comics.
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Think I see a flaw with Justin’s Tsunami Pod – if it’s a metal sphere, surely the firestorm would cause it to heat up and you’d roast inside it? ?
Food – surely instead of trawling a net behind your pod you’re better off going down the Noah route and just building a big boat and filling it with animals you can chow on while waiting for the waters to recede? ?
The only way is to all become pirates? Nah, as I said above, us Welsh can just retreat underground and become dwarves. We could probably grow fungi, rhubarb, etc down there in the dark so won’t have to worry about sunlight (then again, Wales – what’s this sunlight thing you talk about? ? ?), and we can herd all our sheep down there ahead of us (that’s meat, wool for clothing, and recreation* sorted).
Tiny Saga – I like this idea, in the past it’s something I’ve fancied doing for something like Warhammer or KoW using Warhamster minis or for 40k with Epic so that you do get that grander sense. I know there are some people who when they play WHFB and similar mass battle games envision each mini representing five or ten or whatever men, but I’ve always been a one mini = one man sort of player, so using the smaller scale minis and multibasing is something that’s slways appealed to me as now one base does represent multiple men, plus visually I think it’d look impressive. I know you could just play Warmaster, Epic or whatever, but there’s just something appealing to me about using the smaller minis with the 28mm ruleset. This actually reminds me that many years ago I bought some 10mm medieval minis and painted them up as Dol Amroth and based the infantry on 20x20mm and the cavalry on 40x40mm; no intention of using them in any game system in particular, just did it for fun. Will have to see if I can dig out some photos I took of them to share. 🙂
Database and anniversary dates – I’d say have the anniversary function disabled for fictional battles otherwise it’ll throw out odd results, eg in LotR the latter battles took place in 3019, so this year your system will be throwing out ‘today is the -1000th anniversary of the Battle of the Pellenor Fields’ if you don’t. ?
Touch us in our own homes? Do we at least get to pick which of you does the touching? ?
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*hey, I’m Welsh – *I* am allowed to make that joke.
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LOL
I think now it makes more sense the way you’ve explained it Warren, the battles bucket that is. Before I couldn’t understand how it would be accessed, so that’s why I had thought some sort of filing system was in order, but having it as an option under game systems makes a lot of sense. As for 3d printing, you are most likely right and it is the future, once it becomes cheaper and quicker that way the it seems obvious that it’ll go that way. The worry I have though is my hobby is modelling, and while it’s not impossible to mess around with single piece figures it becomes harder to customise. As for powders with lasers that create pigment, well that just leaves me cold, there are very few games I like that are pre paints, x-wing may be the only one, if I’ve not done the painting and modelling myself it doesn’t feel like it’s “my” model if you get me? As for what justin was saying, I think what he was trying to say is GW stores are a recruitment tool, and so while I agree that lamentably 3d printing does seem inevitable, if there are no stores how do you recruit teach and game?
Yeah I think we will see some new form of business model, I’m not sure what that will be or if it will be radically different.
But i can imagine a world where i simply select a unit or model to build and choose an optional colour scheme for it.
And in about 1hr i have it ready and pre coloured. (as different pigments became activated by different wavelengths for example)
The coloring bit is a bit scifi as I’m not sure if chemists have produced anything close to that yet.
But an upstart company could leverage the technology to completely do away with warehousing and logistics costs (also by passing local currencies and taxes in the process!)
So while the stores do have value as recruiting centres this is more about how they are paid for when 90% of the earnings takes place away from them 🙂
And again I’m not sure I have an answer for that 🙂
There’s nothing stopping a company producing a multi piece printable miniature, and why wouldn’t they if there’s a big enough market for it and they’ve already done half the work by producing a single piece version.
*googles “tsunami pods”*
http://tsunamipods.com/
Yup, when he’s right, he’s right! And of course, @dignity would survive because he’d be worshipped by the fish!
The presidents pod from escape from new York ?
@warzan Until you have a good collection of project battle reports, why would you want to spend your resources building a database that might not get used? As you said, you do not expect to be a main resources as most that are in to historical, or other system/ timeline, will already be doing their reading or research in already refined/ defined places. You already have a great platform for people to post what interests them, and a keyword search that works. With the things you all are already working on, plus the new things coming out all the time to create more content for, I think that you already have a good system going that probably does not need to be tweaked yet.
Yep doing nothing on this is always an option. 🙂
Interesting to ruminate on GW’s retail chain and how the future pans out for them. Ultimately they exist currently as a recruitment device. More and more lines are moving to online order only to reduce logistics costs etc.
With a paucity of independent hobby stores in in the UK their future in the short term seems assured.
My personal hope is that the GW chain does disband to allow retailing to be conducted by truly independent stores but market size is going to limit the feasibility of this.
Will gaming clubs grow in popularity to provide the social and interactive size of the hobby we all love? Again I hope so but costs of venue, DBS legislation and pool of potential users in a given area may severely limit expansion.
Yeah I’m wondering if events and tours are likely to become part of the landscape.
I’m trying to laterally think how the music and movie industries have adapted with cinema and concerts and gigs.
Will mini wargames become the new rock and roll where developers effectively go gigging to build and keep fans?
I always enjoy business discussions.
I had a hobby business for a short while and was trying to find a way to operate in the online world. I partnered up with clubs and the conventions they ran in the lower half of the South Island of New Zealand.
I didn’t have an online store myself – I had a broad product range and low volume of each item so the upkeep on the inventory would have killed me with also doing a full time day job in IT.
What really killed it for me:
Sudden explosion of wargames out there – I couldn’t service all of them
The clubs and I found it difficult to recruit new players
A couple of product lines had new editions and people chose the drop out option
Convention attendance dropped.
And I arrogantly thought that having a Warhammer store open in my home town wasn’t going to affect me. Boy, was I wrong.
The arm’s in galaxy are like ripples that move and change over time earth is just a pebble in that mix @warzan
I dont know if its reassuring or terrifying to comprehend how small we are in this whole universe business lol 🙂
So true one rock the size Everest an we’re gone like the dinosaurs and theirs thousands of them going past every year and more are being found as the technology improves
Happy Sunday!!
It’s to see that the artist of the cover pics is finally using their powers for good.
That’s a brilliant movie poster!
Thanks for sharing those 3d prints.
I’m almost ready to jump into that pool.
Have y’all listed what issues you are seeing and what steps you took to fix the problem?
I would be interested in seeing a ‘lesson’s learned and corrective actions’ section.
For organizing the battles. I think Ben is on the right path. Have the high level by ‘ages’ and genres. Then maybe sub sections after that.
What’s the difference between the Battle of Scariff (From Star Wars: Rogue 1) and the Raid on St Nazaire (A World War 2 historical event)?
None. They are both a wildly improbable series of events that make great stories. Maybe Rogue 1 was inspired by the St Nazaire Raid. Who knows?
Here’s my point.
Instead of calling these battles, call them scenarios. Tie these stories to a game, a ruleset, a miniature line and a battle report.
Make the Raid on St Nazaire a Star Wars Legion scenario? Sure! Make the Battle of Scarif a 40k scenario? Sure.
This section should be used to inspire games, projects and future research. You might learn about a cool sci fi battle inspired by a historical engagement. You might then play that scenario as both a sci fi game and a historical game. Or you wander down the path of a project log that links to that scenario or to a rulebook you’ve never encountered before.
yep scenarios could be a positive change here and widen out the use cases of the system
I would propose there are vast differences between St. Nazaire and Scarif.
St. Nazaire – objective is to inflict collateral damage on a maritime facility.
Scarif – objective is to steal information and escape again, preferably undetected.
St. Nazaire – incursion not supported by significant naval assets.
Scarif – Rebels are supported by an whole flotilla, including air strikes, with the flagship arguably being the largest warship in the Alliance navy at the time.
St. Nazaire – mounted in the face of almost no possibility of German naval interdiction.
Scarif – defended by two ISDs, later more warships – resulting in a pitched naval battle.
St. Nazaire – no air combat or air units committed on either side.
Scarif – dozens of rebel fighters / bombers against what looks like hundreds of Imperial fighters.
There are a lot more differences, but I don’t want to get overly pedantic. The main point is that the point of the mission is actually totally different.
Last week, I actually posted what a St. Nazaire scenario in Star Wars might look like:
Reposted:
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A Star Wars version of St. Nazaire might go something like this …
Just before the beginning of Episode V: ESB . . .
Kuat Drive Yards are building a massive new orbital facility at the “Nazaar” system, deep in the galaxy’s Outer Rim. This starship docking and repair facility will be the only one in the Outer Rim large enough to facilitate the Executor, super star destroyer flagship of Vader’s “Death Squadron” – tasked with hunting down the Rebel Alliance in the wake of the Battle of Yavin. If the Empire can get this base operational, the Imperial Navy’s largest warship will be able to deploy with unlimited range across the Outer Rim, all but sealing the doom for Alliance bases and operations in the region.
While the Rebel Alliance can’t attack the Executor head-on, they hatch a desperate plan to destroy the docking facility that enables it to operate this deep in the Outer Rim. They get an old Dreadnought-class cruiser from before the Clone Wars, or maybe one of those old Venator class destroyers, and plan to smash it into the new Kuat Drive Yards facility at Nazaar.
Meanwhile, a collection of smaller ships, freighters and Corellian corvettes, perhaps a Nebulon-B class frigate,will also carry in a special strike force of Rebel troops, technicians, and engineers. They will land on the elsewhere on the orbital dockyard (not where the “fireship” will crash into it, obviously) and plant additional charges to ensure this whole Nazaar facility is completely knocked out, steal valuable files, perhaps even make off with weapons or warships found on the station.
Then, of course, the hard part. Escaping the explosion and destruction of the Nazaar platform, and getting home again . . . before Vader and his fleet returns to wreak vengeance.
Thanks for the clarification but I feel like you may have missed the original point by @blipvertus which appears to suggest that the two scenarios are both sufficiently detailed and exciting to merit transfer to other gaming systems. I think he was on about the rule of cool – they are both similar super-cool game ideas for surprise raids. Thanks for the clarification on exactly whay they are different though. I liked your Star Wars conversion for St Nazaire. I’ll have to give it a go sometime.
Thanks for the reply, @zoidpinhead – and I genuinely notice and appreciate the even-handed and conciliatory tone in your post. A rare thing on the internet these days. 😀
Maybe there’s a larger discussion at work here and I’m missing some context – but I’m just looking at (and making suggestions to) what was actually said word-for-word in the original post.
“What’s the difference between the Battle of Scariff (From Star Wars: Rogue 1) and the Raid on St Nazaire (A World War 2 historical event)?
None.”
All I was saying is … that’s a pretty flat statement that isn’t actually true.
“They are both a wildly improbable series of events that make great stories. Maybe Rogue 1 was inspired by the St Nazaire Raid. Who knows?”
Man, that’s one helluva stretch. Possible, but only if the screenwriters didn’t know very much about St. Nazaire or Operation Chariot. Not being a wise ass here, I actually wouldn’t put any level of amateurish buffoonery past the Star Wars writers. I mean these are the same general people who are on record as writing the Ewoks in the Battle of Endor as some kind of analog for the Vietnam War …
**grinding of teeth**
…or the rise of the Empire and death of the Old Republic was supposed to be some kind of analog for the transition of the Roman Republic to the the Roman Empire. I mean, his name is Emperor PALPATINE for cryin’ out loud. Switch up a couple letters and we’re on Palantine Hill …
Subtle George Lucas was not. Nor are his “descendants.”
Look, I’m not saying we can’t take historical episodes and switch them into other genres for use in great games, or stories of any medium. But when it’s treated on a “YouTube Casual” level of carelessness, it actually kind of belittles those who spend years or decades in earnest pursuit of actual knowledge on these kinds of subjects.
History is a tool, not a toy. Handle with care.
Wow, what a great last paragraph there @oriskany. Brilliant.
Great reply. Thanks dude.
Steal a sub just sink under any shit on the surface in deep waters nout would affect ships n sub’s.
What about nexgen apps playing games like the chess board on the falcon no figure’s required ?
@lloyd try pipe cladding for all the tables you guy’s have way cheaper.
Theirs a new inflatable neck back coming out you should look into help if you have any neck problems @brennon sleep an relaxed for the new week during the show’s ?
If balls in water is making you feel sea sick you can always put Justin in one of these :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPKKtvkVAjY
@dignity you can then run all your enemies down 😛
I think by the time the storm was done, and you got our yer ball, you’d be knackered so much you’d pass out ‘n fall in the water…
I don’t know why but the weekender just won’t load in a proper way and speed… buffers all the time :S
On vector images: GIMP doesn’t do them but inkscape does it. Also Open Source. Doctor Fausts Painting Clinic did a good video on DIY Transfers
A bit about the future, few who predict it are ever correct. If they were, the weather forecast would actually be correct and the according to World’s Fair organizers we would have flying cars. Al Gore was wrong about inventing the Internet and wrong in his predictions about Climate Change (even though we see it, his dire predictions have not panned out). I do not see SLA/FDM printing getting to the point in 10yrs that it will be common place in the consumer space. They will continue to be hobby enthusiast. In the commercial space, it is going strong and there is a lot of adoption from automotive parts to dental work to even bone joints. However, in the commercial space you are still looking at multi-million dollar machines. B&M is not going to die, it is going to change. While it is true we spend a lot of money online, it is only 10% of all retail sales. That means that 90% of retail is still in stores. Gamestop, Blockbuster and record stores are not good examples. They are/were displaced by technology. Unless and until shoes, pots and pans and other goods can be easily 3D printed at home, retail will still be heavily in B&M. Miniatures “may” be something that comes to the home, but first someone has to develop a way to secure the files and a model that makes sense. See Glowforge. They have an online store but its model sucks. They charge you per printing and if your print fails, you are charged for a second chance. We are far away from standards. Also, once government figures it out, they will figure out how to tax STLs. The UK will make you sign a document and require 10yrs in prison if you print a naked model. 10yrs is too soon. Maybe 20yrs. Things will change is the only constant that we can be sure about. Anything else is just a guess like that asteroid.
It’s been useful to have OTT keeping an eye on the 3D printer world. At some point i might well jump in. For me it depends to a fairly large degree on the quality of the miniatures produced and also on whether or not, and how easily i can design my own miniatures. Would you be able to show us a close up comparison with, say, an infinity miniature?
BTW, any idea how much a home printed miniature currently costs in terms of materials and electricity and it’s part of any repairs or replacements that are needed for the 3D printer?
I suspect that turning points will come when it is simply more convenient to print off the miniatures than go and buy them online or in store. For hobbyists, that like to put their time into this sort of thing anyway, i suspect this will come sooner. For those who dip in and out of gaming, with miniatures as more of an incidental part, i suspect this will come later, perhaps if a time comes when people generally have 3D printers at home for general use ( such as cutlery printing etc. ). On the other hand my impression is that 2D printers haven’t taken off for home use in the way that one might imagine 3D printers could. Books still exist and where books have been replaced they’ve been replaced by digital formats. Radio still exists, cinema still exists, television still exists. In some ways all these things have been superceded, and in others they haven’t. For example, from what i can see, television series haven’t replaced books, at least not in their entirety, and instead now exist in a kind of symbiosis, both economically and creatively. But perhaps i have simply forgotten those things that have been truly superseeded.
I was reading on a business website that the sale of home 3D printers (under $2500,) has gone up by 10% while Industrial 3D printers have increased by 39% in the last couple of years. I wonder what percentage of the home market are people buying printers for the first time and what percentage are people upgrading
At this rate, in 15 years, my £3.79 a month will get me a 3D printer, a supply of resin, and a full time operator!
GW won’t go into the 3D printer business .. why? They will sell you the file, but that’s it. Why go into a business that requires them to manufacture outside the UK, and deal with others outside their scope? 3D printing will become as regular as printing on paper– eventually. Better for them to sell files for their games. Kodak and other such company’s will dominate the 3D printing market Because they are already set up for the manufacturing/distribution process .. why would GW investors consider diving into a technological market that has REAL heavy weights in this market.
I can’t find the words to express how much I agree with @warzan on his vision of both OTT as a game centric community and therefore of the purpose of any Battles data. Everything here should lead back to a game of whatever sort, from a commercial boxed game to musings about home brew rules. The resources we can create together will be the reason this community continues to thrive and grow. People will come here to find resources and ideas related to games they want to play so finding ways to link all this great content is essential.
As far as filtering the Battles section goes we already have a genre category for Games and if we just broke that’s down to split Historical into the common periods (Ancients, Dark Ages, Medieval, Pike and Shot, Black Powder, WWI, Inter-war, WWII, Modern) and Sci-Fi and Fantasy into similar common divisions (40k, 30k, Star Wars, Infinity, AoS, Warhammer Old World, Lord of the Rings, etc.) we would have more than enough detail for a gamer to begin a suitable search.
There are plenty of places to get historical information online and communities like Livings.org to share and perfect historic information. I consider myself a competent historian (my first degree is in History) and I love historic research. That isn’t what I come to OTT for. I’m here for gaming and hobby ideas and inspiration. Historic information needs to be accurate so perhaps detail should be kept to a minimum in the core database section of the site. If you want to focus on that in the Projects then knock yourself out, I’m sure I’ll enjoy reading it but at least it is an option and not a complication of the core site.
Whilst historical accuracy is important to historians, I don’t think an over-emphasis on the history (pedantry if you want a name for it) is important here. Did you see how I just used the term “Dark Ages” even though as a historian I know it is more accurately called “Early Middle Age Europe”. That’s because we are a gaming community here and all the games call it the Dark Ages. ‘Play Rorke’s Drift with historically accurate character models’ you say – why would I do that when I could have Stanley Baker and Michael Caine on my tabletop? Here the minutiae of historical detail needs to make way for the better gaming experience. We take the best of what history has to offer to get the best possible game experiences. We live by the rule of cool. Let’s all just get on with the game.
Now that I’ve had time to digest the show;
A meteor strike is a matter of ‘when’ not ‘if’. Several sci-fi series deal with this scenario with varying levels of success, and a few even use meteors as weapons (Stargate, Expanse series) or transport for invasion (Orks or Starship Troopers). So Justin survives the strike only to get enslaved by aliens or torn apart by bugs.
Mini Saga….by the gods that was sexy. @avernos I have a horde of War and Empire miniatures by Westwind that I intend to add to the painting table now thanks to you. Pure hobby porn. Truly an inspired idea.
In regards to the battles list, as I wrote last week, regardless of the battle and where it sits in history (real or fictitious), the reality is that it will be a combination of setting, scale, season, surroundings and scenario.
Does a beachhead massacre matter if it’s Gallipoli, Iwo Jima or Normandy? I remember a beachhead scenario in the Dark Shadows campaign of 6th Ed Warhammer that for all intents and purposes could have been any of those beach landings.
Is the Teutoburg Forest massacre really that different to Isandlwana? Terrain that broke up the formations of disciplined professionals who should have been able to fight off larger numbers of ‘primitives’?
Was the Lake Trasimene, Custer’s Last stand or Cannae any less of an encirclement, meat-grinder that ended in massacre than the Emu Wars?
“I’ve got a jar of derp!I’ve got a jar of derp!” something like that.
Ok, silliness aside. Looking at the printing capability that’s been opened up, digital sculpting will become a much hotter commodity. Physical good companies will go under when the home build hobbyist market, one OTT is now a part of, takes the reins for hobbying. Kitbashing by hand in the hobby will become a passe trend if you can get someone to design for you and then go to print.
The digital sculpts for plastics are definitely the way that GW and Wyrd have gone. High end competitions for painting will only be for painting as the building of dioramas and other kits will be done digitally. Maybe there will be team entries for competitions saying something like “Team Flabberghast, comprised of Sculptor N and Painter Q, are the winners of this year’s Beryllium Brush competition” or divisions within said competitions for sculpts.
hmm there’s a reason why it’s called a ELE – Extinction Level Event and it’s in the title 😉 😉 LOL
need being on the same ship @lloyd as the las time I did that, it didn’t work out to well…… no, don’t attck the other much, much bigger ship, with lots of pirates. Followed by, not again, no don’t atcck the really big ship with glowing skeletons….. ah well dead again 😉 😉
actually we must play again 😀
@buggeroff
“no, don’t attack the other much, much bigger ship, with lots of pirates” – that should have worked, humm.
“actually we must play again” Apex Legends – Free to Play Battle Royale: https://www.gamespot.com/reviews/apex-legends-review-a-new-titan-in-battle-royale/1900-6417083/
squads of 3 fight it out in a 60 player game.
That looks really good, will download that 🙂
SO from a historians point of view, battles aren’t always named the same thing. Take ACW where the North and the South call the same battles by different names. Using geographical landmarks like rivers and mountains or using towns as the main reference for naming. It can get really really complicated when you start adding in other languages than English or historical spellings that have changed through the years.
Over all I like the idea of a place to gather good reference material for battles especially from a very gaming point of view. Maybe instead of a separate listing it can just be part of the tags used. If someone is doing a WWII US Army list for Bolt Action they can add in that little bit of detail, if someone else is doing a US Army list for D-Day using the 101st then you can get a bit more specific.
That test piece needs painting up in high chrome and stood in a water feature between 3-4 tpwers on a Dropzone Commander table as a piece of corporate art.
Even a tsunami won’t go to Magherafelt! Haha – this cracked me up too much – my Ma’s side of the family are all from there 😀 😀
A tsunami in Lough Neagh might reach
I’ve been printing decals for years now and I’ve just used PowerPoint and it has worked flawlessly. All the tips you said @warzan are dead on correct. Also I swear by micro sol and set. It even sucks the decal into the zimmerit on my 15 mm German tanks.
Great show guys! My first full watch of a weekender since the move back to the U.S.
Just got foot surgery so I’m hoping to go back and catch up on a bunch that I’ve missed, while I’m sitting here on my butt with the foot elevated. Thanks for keeping me sane while recovering.
Belated Happy Sunday! Another great show.
There is a kind of free version of Z-Brush called Sculptris I think it is, which is pretty decent and easy to use 3D modelling tool as well for getting started. Good if you like the idea of making something out of clay, translates a lot of those tools quite well into a digital format.
I would certainly happily watch a stream of Lloyd tinkering away in 3D and discussing how he is doing it, would be a fun show.
As for surviving the asteroid strike, the real solution is to get onto Elon’s mars base by then. Enough of this earth stuff!