Weekender XLBS: Embracing A Healthy Hobby & Why D&D Is Good For You!
May 29, 2016 by lloyd
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HAPPY SUNDAY 🙂
Happy Sunday.
Will this be another hour watching Warzan finger his ring ??
Happy Sunday!! On the point of really enjoying parts of collecting & tinkering, I can totally raise my hand. I love the collecting aspect & i LOVE putting mdf kits together. I think it feeds my jigsaw puzzle gene. And then there’s my Magic cards, which I can sort, and sort some more. That part feeds my OCD gene.
Happy Sunday!
Fifth! Woot.
Pfftt.. I crack me up.
I think favourite comment is a great idea rather than random! Makes people want to put something into their comments rather than just giving the little comment.
I had a little laugh about the Iowaska one of the mind altering chemicals we have studied. One of things people don’t talk about is the diarrhoea and vomiting that happens before their psychedelic adventures… Not as magical I wouldn’t think after that. But each to their own…
Happy Sunday. @warzan got all war-zen at the end there…
Great show, especially @warzans ‘rant’ about hobby. I generally feel frustrated I don’t get to play games but its maybe more a feeling I’m not legitimate because of it.
I’m ogreblood and my hobby is painting, imagining the worlds my toys live in and once in a blue moon seeing an old buddy and putting my toys to use.
I agree 😀 I think @warzan ‘s comment on it was great! I always try and be super positive on WAYPN, because I think for the longest time painters haven’t had that community. I know GW calls people hobbyists not gamers. I think if someone says they are a gamer or a hobbyist you almost already know the type of ‘wargamer’ they are.
GW splits the pie six different ways, Builders/Painters/Diorama-ists/Competitive gamers/Casual Gamers/Fluff people (fluffers is a different thing ha ha)
And your meant to find where each person fits in these parts. While two are gamers the majority is not.
I think you should follow the golden rule, if your enjoying yourself, and not hurting anyone. Keep it up 😀
Agree completely with Warren. I have to admit my hobby is collecting miniatures, and I have more than I will likely ever be able to assemble and paint, because I want to participate in building upon the sci-fi/fantasy universes I enjoy. And because I don’t game, I can paint and collect at the pace that I’m happy with.
With the D&D thing that is mostly why I hobby, I just make the NPC’s and the player characters and I sort of got roped back into the wargamming thing. So yeah I am more than happy to harp on about the virtues of tabletop pen and paper adventures rather than the screen based one.
1! Social interaction! A lot of people take it for granted, but simply talking to people today, makes you better at social interaction than your average person, a lot of people are retreating into ‘eletronica’ a world of the electric. You socialising through game play which is how most animals teach, gives you that social edge.
2! Resetting your biases to zero! A lot of people have trouble understanding other people. I know I do try my best, but it is often hard to put yourself in their shoes. But playing the character who has different values to you, you gain a greater understanding of the world.
Now, don’t argue one way or the other just imagine if say your religious or if your not religious, playing a character that is deeply devout or atheistic.
Really getting into it. You would gain an appreciation for what it might be like to be that person. However, in my opinion what is much, much better is the hidden lessons where someone plays as something gets upset about it (in a character way not rage quiting the table). And then they realise that may apply somewhere in the world they didn’t realise.
3! Teamwork! Your average group cannot overcome a dungeon/encounter/whatever system it is alone. Strength of will and body is not enough working together is so important.
4! Historical application! Understanding the layers of history, my world, which I am hoping to bring to a publishable stage in maybe a year or two. (A quick aside, trying to hire artists is like herding cats! ). In that world a lot of the motivations of the previous generation lie in the decisions of the people before them. Understanding how history effects things is important, trying to understand Russia today without an understanding of the U.S.S.R is hard to say the least.
5! It’s fun! If your doing it right, which is however right is for you 😀 Your having fun! It releases endorphins and dopamine into the body when you learn these things so your body wants to remember them! All of this means you are predisposed to loving the idea of being open to new idea 😀 To me that is a win!
I could go on forever, but I figured I have already taken up too much of the comment section already!
Well said. I absolutely appreciate what you have written and it hits the target more than you know!
Thank you so much warren for what you said. I for one have not been active on forums for exactly what you said, must add not so much on BOW. So I am right behind the ‘My hobby is mine’ movement. I am trying to get that idea over to my kids also, just sat watching my youngest playing fantasy ogres against necrons in his own game and had great fun. cheers again
Thirteenth! Wait, am I playing this game right? The internet is confusing 🙁
The Infinity Gems were the macguffin that powered a series of comics in the early 90s. Collected together in the Infinity Gauntlet they granted the wielder god-like powers. The next Avengers movie will be based on this storyline.
Speaking of Vision, a shout-out is deserved for the current Vision comic book series. It’s well worth reading:
“The Vision isn’t a wacky superheroic action series where the Avenging Android comes home to his robot family after a hard day’s avenging—it’s a dread-laden surburban drama about murder, lies, what it means to be human, and the inevitability of heading down a self-destructive path. It just happens to star a synthezoid man, and the wife and two kids he decided to make for himself one day.”
http://io9.gizmodo.com/marvels-the-vision-is-telling-a-story-unlike-any-superh-1756995647
Great show guys -as to the hobby @warzan you are wrong … There is no try – there is only do or do not accept each other as equals -I will go for do! 😉
Sorry to pull old Yoda out the back but the sermon called for it 🙂
ahh i know what @warzan is going for but it really get in to grammar and wording part that got down abit on my skin, feel like it have gotten a lot deeper then it need to be,but isn’t is hobby side meant to be you enjoy more on the build and paint parts more then the gaming aspect ?
i really get the part you went by enjoying which ever part of it you enjoy and not feel guilty.
Happy Sunday!!
I’m definitely into collecting and painting models that I ocassionally pkay with; got a few core systems I play regularly, but if there’s a model I really like from a different system then sod-it… it’s mine!
Timeline wise for Team Yankee, won’t it be more Lightnings, Harriers and Phantoms?
Can I chuck a good old fashioned word into the discussion: “Pastime”
From the OED: “An activity that someone does regularly for enjoyment rather than work.”
Which raises an intersting question about folks like the BoW team and others I know who work inthe industry – can your work really be your hobby? Or to quote Shakey:
“If all the year were playing holidays, To sport would be as tedious as to work,”
Lloyd’s more of a “crafter”… a big ‘Borrower’ that enjoys crafting stuff out of bits collected around the place.
The person that buys pre-painted X-Wing models is often some combination of a collector/gamer with an interest in that ‘Lore’
Some are into the escapism through mental immersion that can be achieved through role-play; whether on good old fashioned pene nd paper RPG, minis on a map RPG or a board game setting like Myth.
Angel Giraldez is a painter… I’m not sure how much gaming he gets in to say more…
I mainly collect and paint miniatures. The groups I join have come to understand that I enjoy the games part but not as much as them. They just so jappen to play better with unpainted minis than I do with my beautifully painted ones.
There’s just one big Game~Craft continuum that all of us slot onto somewhere that we call our hobby or pastime.
I promise I’ll stop trying to comment using my table and phone… stupid on-screen keyboards!
Couldn’t agree more about the hobby.
My hobby is : enjoying what I’m doing at the moment,
having enjoyed what I did in the past,
but also looking forward to what I’m going to do next !
You know what was missing from Warren’s rant? ‘My hobby is gaming with miniatures. I don’t like painting and I often game with unpainted minis’. This, in my experience, is where the hobby is most intolerant. To the extent there are people I know who don’t enter the hobby because of it. In no other aspect of the hobby are people required to do something they don’t want to do if they want to engage, but many tournaments enforce a painting requirement. Yet somehow it’s always the ‘gamers’ who are being intolerant of the other aspects of the hobby.
Forgot to mention that it is only people who don’t paint who are described as being ‘disrespectful’, it is only people who don’t paint who find other hobbyists refusing to engage with them.
I only paint because I want to play with painted minis and they look better on the table. If I could afford to pay someone to paint miniatures for me then I would in a heart beat
I’m of the same mind. I’m not disputing that painted minis look better than unpainted ones and that in an ideal world all minis would be painted. It is the case, though, that the pressure we put on people to paint does have an impact on those who don’t want to do it, but do want to game, but this is something we’re okay with. Like I say below, there are actual people I know who have left mini-gaming but do other types of gaming purely because of the pressure this hobby puts on them to paint. It sticks in my craw a bit when the intolerance aspect gets framed in terms of those who don’t to game, rather than those who don’t want to paint. When it is the latter we’re a lot more intolerant of.
Tournament play is the kind of play the least amount of gamers actually do. Most just play with their buddies or at the local club. No one forces you to enter a tournament and not entering them has probably zero, or close to it, impact on ones hobby.
It makes no difference how much of a minority they are. This whole rant is about each individual being allowed to enjoy their hobby as they wish, but the one area we don’t tolerate is people who don’t paint. Despite this it is always the people who don’t game who presented as being the ones picked-upon for not doing it properly. Your post is another example of how someone who wants to game and not paint gets dismissed. No-one is forcing someone who wants to buy and paint to game as well, but people who want to game and enter tournaments is either forced to paint or placed under pressure to paint. I’m not talking in hypotheticals here either. These people exist, I know them and play other types of games with them. I myself have been them.
In sum:
Want to game and enter tournaments? You must and/or are being disrespectful if you don’t paint your minis. Don’t want to paint? Then don’t enter tournaments. No-one is forcing you to do so.
Want collect and/or paint but don’t want to game? It’s your hobby, don’t let anyone tell you what to do!
Sorry for replying twice, but we can’t edit our posts 🙁
If it irks you, or others, that painted armies are a must in many tournaments then organize your own where there are no such rules. Or make a rule that the armies must be unpainted. People who take the time and effort to organize a tournament can set whatever rules they damn wish. Don’t like it? Put in the time and effort yourself to make a tournament the way you want it.
Fine. I’ll make my own tournaments, with blackjack, and hookers. In fact, forget the tournaments and the backjack! I actually have organised my own tournaments without painting requirements, though that isn’t the point. Painting requirements are just an individual expression of our collective intolerance, not the intolerance itself. It’s the intolerance in response to a rant about intolerance which framed the issue in terms of gaming, not painting, which I’m addressing.
First up, whilst it was presented in terms of anyone should be allowed to do their hobby as they wish, it was framed in terms of gaming. You are doing it wrong because you don’t game enough, because you don’t game in the right way, because you don’t game at all. Whilst this does happen, in my experience, the way in which we, collectively, are most intolerant of what individuals want to do with their hobby is in respect to painting, or rather, not painting. No-one has ever said it is disrespectful to paint a mini and not game with it. Many, many people have said it is disrespectful to game with a mini which is not painted. This is a collective attitude, and if we wish to address attitudes towards intolerance of how people want to enjoy their hobby, this is the major area in which we are intolerant. That we are so instinctively intolerant of it is demonstrated by the fact that most of the time we’re not even aware of it. Witness its lack of any mention in Warren’s rant (‘I buy painted minis because I don’t want to paint’, not ‘I game with unpainted minis because I don’t want to paint’), and your own credulity that it would even be regarded as a collective intolerance. I am not saying that everyone should be okay with unpainted minis. I am saying that we should be aware when talking about how we collectively are intolerant of individuals ‘not doing it right’, that unpainted minis, not gaming, are our primary intolerance. Few people would say someone who paints but does not game is ‘not doing it right’, many more would say someone who games but does not paint is ‘not doing it right’.
I play a few different games and I understand people enjoy different aspects of the hobby in different measures. I don’t like painting that much but love the fluff. I play with people who don’t mind that my painting progresses, to say the least, slowly. If someone would not want to play me because my minis, or at least some/most of them, are umpainted that’s completely fine. Because for some people the enjoyment comes from seeing two fully painted/based armies face off against each other. Or should we just dismiss the guy who loves to see two painted armies?
I think you make a hen out of a feather (I’m not sure that’s the correct expression in english but I’m sure you get it). Game with people with whom you have compatible hobby preferences and stop whining of someone differs.
I’m not whining about the preferences of others. When someone posted a thread in the forums asking what others thought of their refusal to play anyone who doesn’t have a painted army I had no issue with that. Everyone should be allowed to enjoy their hobby their own way. This is specifically in response to a rant by Warren that everyone should be allowed to enjoy their hobby as they want, framed, as it usually is, in terms of those who don’t game not being made to feel bad for that. In my experience, where we are most intolerant as a collective is towards those who do not paint. It is the only area of the hobby in my experience in which there are actual rules in place forcing you to do it if you want to do something else with the minis. Painting competitions don’t require you to game with your entry, but gaming competitions often require you to paint your entry. If we’re going to get into a discussion about how we are intolerant of the way others want to enjoy their hobby, then this is the area in which we are most intolerant.
I’m totally supportive of folk who don’t want to paint, my point is do what you enjoy – and be respectful of others to help them enjoy their fav bits 🙂
Yeah, I think the D&D TedX was weaksauce. I’ve played D&D for a long time even though I’ve transitioned to others RPGs I like better. I think RPGs are great fun and it’s nice to make progress in a campaign but I think there is something wrong with a person who thinks it’s equally meaningful to beat a boss fight as it is to achieve something in real life, like landing a job, acing an exam and so on. D&D is a rather nice little hobby which can bring friends together for an evening of great fun but if it becomes a means of actual real life escape then you should see a therapist, not play a game.
Very cool.
You do what you do. You do what you enjoy. You don’t do what you don’t enjoy.
That’s all there is to it.
I think that I might have taken a step closer to the universal consciousness thingy after Warren’s wisdom – no weird Amazonian hippy-trippy drugs required!
Warren = reincarnated Buddha CONFIRMED?! You heard it here first folks! ;P
Re the competition. Going by what Ben has said does this mean I won’t be able to win by copying and pasting ” This is cool” on every forum page I can find?
Thank you Warren, thank you for sort of expressing what I have only just discovered. If you do the hobby stuff you enjoy you enjoy doing, and stop feeling so %^%^ guilty for not doing the stuff you think you should be doing you get more out satisfaction and enjoyment out of the hobby.
Case in point for the last two years I’ve played a few games but I have done bugger all painting. Now I love painting absolutely adore it , (I am not necessarily good at it I getting too old). The last five months have been some of the most stressful at work that I have had to put up with. and in the hour before bed I was trying to find way to put the brain in neutral so I could sleep. I asked myself what did I use to do to get that calmness the answer was paint!.
Then I asked myself why haven’t you being painting (boofhead). The reason was that I had told myself that I had to finish my 2000pt 40k army before I went on to the next thing that I wanted to do. HOW BLOODY STUPID IS THAT (yelling at myself not you, dear reader). I hadn’t done what I enjoyed doing because of some stupid expectation I put on myself.. So I picked up the models I want to make , made them , undercoated them, whacked on a couple of base colours and the next night because I wanted to do something different went on to something else. By rotating stuff around and mixing things up I am 1) Painting more 2) producing more finished models (including some from the dreaded 40k army because I was only doing them in bits and pieces when I felt like it)3) Feeling, as Warren said, a real sense of achievement. 4) feeling nicely relaxed when I go to bed & 6) It has flowed into other areas of the hobby as I am interested in gaming more.
So thank you Warren for saying what needs to be said what ever you do, it’s your hobby, you enjoy it and that’s alright !!!
I am going to go on a little more (only a little, thanks for still reading if you are) and add our hobby is blessed with a wide variety of games and miniature makers, play and model the ones you enjoy, and you should never have to apologise for your choice, because it is your choice. I don’t like some games or miniature makers but, if your choice is different to mine , I will never, in these boards, look down my nose at you, a fellow hobbyist and make condescending comments that remove from your enjoyment. That is what i personally promise, because when it happened to me (not here) I was pissed off and didn’t fully enjoy. myself in the hobby for sometime afterwards. Mini rant off. thank you for reading. Enjoy your hobby. =)
That’s the approach I take to painting – I have a dozen Infinity minis on my table in various stages of completion. Some have been untouched for months!
I wanted to use one in a tournament last weekend, excitement kicked in, *BAM* finished it off in a couple of days, really pleased with the result!
@warzan ‘s argument is great! To paraphrase Jarhead ‘My hobby is my own, there are many like it but this one is my own’
I get my biggest kicks when different aspects of this hobby come together. I had a great experience with a friend. He was someone who loved to play the game, and roll the dice. His armies were rarely more than primed. I am someone who spends a long time painting forces to the best of my ability. We played a game, where we used two fully painted armies and terrain that I had created. His passion for the game, and the cinematic moments that the dice told was fantastic. He spoke afterwards saying that nicely painted models made it even more enjoyable for him.
This hobby is big enough for all of us, and the greatest moments will always be when we come together and combine our favourite aspects
Ha ha!
I call my brush Daisy, she is so beautiful don’t you think…
Oh my as George would say.
really enjoyed the content in this show ….totally in agreement with warren rant …..very rare i play …. as a commission painter i have probably been in thousands of games and that gives me more furfillment and joy than anything…. i get to make the day of another hobbiest who has not the time or inclination to paint have the wow factor when he sets his/her army out ….i love what i do …would i change it ……no ……give me a six inch brush and a box of 15mm germans and im as happy as a vogon spouting poetry …….is there going to be a frog race vlog ……please
Warren has a good point but ones own hobby remains that only until you want to explore the hobby with someone else. When you join a wargaming group you can of course still only do the bits you like but if you want to interact with others you will have to come to a compromise of how the hobby is enacted/played/done. Your own little bubble, your rules. You want to share the hobby-bubble with others, you will have to find common ground (aka, adapting to others and putting in some effort in things you might enjoy less in order to allow the group to all have a good time). The whole guilt thing seems mostly like projecting to me.
So happy to hear the hobby being talked about in this way, as I myself don’t play any games, apart form those on my computer.
I do however love converting models, kitbashing them, sculpting, collecting, and making terrain. That is my hobby.
But for the longest time I felt that because I didn’t play the game, I was doing something wrong. I know now of course that that’s total rubbish, that your hobby is what ever you choose to make it, regardless of what others may think.
Golden rule my friend gold rule 😀 Also we have loved seeing your stuff in WAYPN I did a short section in it in the video feedback, I hope you get to see them 😀
Yeah I’ve just finished watching the vid, and thank you for what you said, I really appreciate it 🙂
This was the best episode you guys have done so far. Warzans hobby philosophy discussion was spot on. I am one of those hobbyists that think of myself as a gamer but dont get to game that much. From now on I’ll see myself as a hobbyists first and fore most. My hobby is collecting, modelling, painting, reading fluff, making up narratives in my mind, following industy developments, thinking about hobby philosophy, exploring make belive worlds in my mind, terrain making, learning and thinking about rules mechanics, watching hobby videos, talk about the hobby with friends and occansionally playing a miniature game.
Take up Warzans rallying cry, share what your hobby is and be happy for what the hobby is for other people.
Happy Sunday!
My hobby is collecting, building, painting and gaming with massive armies…. and not terrain!
I think Ben’s comment summed it up perfectly – “”You’re fun is wrong”… How can fun be wrong?”
I don’t think that there is an issue of guilt or anything in the hobby, think you are just making an issue of something that is not there to be honest. What is an issue is the them and us syndrome on game systems and the sh*t people spout out if THEY don’t like something that somebody else does.
My best friend and partner in many crimes, collects Dwarves as an army, like I have said many times before we do not do the points thing, but just for the fun of it Steve keeps a tally of his Dwarven hordes in oldhammer counting language. Now I have to say I have a large Vampire army of several thousand points most of it painted. He on the other hand will spend his free time painting his Dwarves. His army is now so big it cannot be placed on a single full sized dinning table with a couple of inches between units, groups or has he named them stunties (a regimental unit of measure in Dwarven speak.). This huge array of little men are now some 19,000 points or there about’s, is too large to play the entire force with, it takes almost a morning to get them out. BUT and this is my point here when his wife is taking a break with her work friends, he loves nothing better than getting them out to set them out. He has names for characters, tales of daring do’s that some stunties have performed, an actual grudge book which is full of magic and mostly hilarious anecdotes. This is hobby he is proud of it he is open with it when it comes to what he recently said about it in an article on him in the company magazine. “I play with toy soldiers.” is what he said.
Humane would be my fav. race in Faith and I really like the last image in their Playing Card section.
What a great discussion
I love learning new games, 24 last year, other members of our club limit themselves to one a year so they can get really good at it.
Never realised it until this discussion got the grey cells working
Happy Sunday…
And Hear F***ing Hear @warzan thats what makes this collection of activities diverse and interesting.
the force is with you young warzan.
but you are not a jedi yet.
all phenomena are empty.
all phenomena are selfless.
all phenomena are suffering.
only nirvana is peace
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The only one managing to make me feel guilty of my hobby is my Missus (although very understanding and supportive her tolerance is challenged after 17yrs of marriage..well, she knew what she was buying into!!)
According to her I’m a hoarder..
I rather think of me of a ‘collector of fine miniatures of all kind’ but hey..
Converting and painting are my real passions but I do admit to having more figures than I can possibly manage to deal with.
Unless I top Yoda’s age.
If your a hoarder I am a lost cause! You paint up way more than me, I am swearing off getting new stuff for awhile (we will see how long that lasts until I have done up more guys…
great show, this episode is one for the BoW Hall of Fame! I tip my head to you sir!
DF:C….does that mean we might get a campaign where the results of DF:C will have an effect on DZ:C games?! that would be awesome!
For me it wasn’t D&D it was ‘Das Schwarze Auge’ 😛
I certainly have not enough time to play as many games as I want to. If I would be a three headed octopus I might be able to. 😀
I will never be able to just focus on one game or genre. If I only would focus on Kingdom Death and all my buddies would do the same I might get more models painted and would get more games in. Same goes for Infinity, FoW, etc.
A friend of mine just recently gave me his Ogres from his Kings of War Kickstarter pledge, I never planed to get into KoW because I just don’t have the time and money but now I will create an army for it, if I will ever play the game not so sure. I always enjoyed it more to create something, and imagine what this army or model would do. If I play games I need narrative and a good campaign system otherwise I loose interest to quickly.
Well, have a great Sunday and a great week everyone!
Btw: on this topic, I really like the ‘Dolls’ from Relic and the ‘Goblins on…chickens’ but I never thought that I will play the game now I probably just buy a couple of models and maybe make a Diorama out of them or something like that.
Definitely looking Forward to a DFC/DZC campaign 🙂
anyone else feel they took ioasca before this entire episode….
For those interested in the TedX talk and @warzan – the guy wrote a book several years ago called Fantasy Freaks and Gaming Geeks where he tracks his return to the hobby and the many levels that people hobby from D&D to larping.
Great rant Warzan! Always good to hear stuff coming from a place of passion. In the hobby as in life generally it is always good to free yourself from others ‘ expectations!
At 47 I’m at the stage where frankly everyone else can kiss my hairy behind when it comes to their opinions about my choices in life! I just wish I’d learned that strength of characteras a youngster!
Thinking about it, actually freeing yourself from your own expectations is even more helpful. We all need goals in life to get us to do anything, but viewing them with transparency and honesty makes life liveable.
Well Said there Warren – the basic thought i have at the moment regarding others hobby is – ‘not my hobby, but if you enjoy it, Have Fun’. I think no-one has the same hobby, and it’s taken me about 30 years of this fine hobby of ours (whatever it maybe) to get th the point i have.
i’m Kbog, and my hobby is ….. enjoying myself in whatever form that takes, and not judging others to the same ‘hobby’ as me.
Happy Sunday. kinda lost me at the end. Never saw any issue online or offline where people were dictating my hobby to me unless you count people trying to change the aspect of a creators model to suit their PC ideals. People judging kingdom deaths style of pin ups for example should just realize they are not the companies target market and move on instead of accusing the fans of being msognistic, childish or making snide remarks about the model cause it offends “their” sensibilities, and then trying to change the creators vision to meet what they deem is proper or acceptable in this age of victims and people seeking “safe spaces”.etc.
The Ravager’s seem like the coolest race in the game. Always love the concept of an alien race that completely consumes and conquers all that is in its path. Love this piece of art.
My favorite universe of the FAITH universe would have to be the Corvo. What strikes me the most is that they were hyper expansionists that went from being the dominant species to having competition with the Iz’Kal and even share peace with them. My favourite piece of art would have to be artwork piece number 30/53 of the Playing Cards Gallery. This piece of art has a real sense of danger and this foreshadowing of death. I feel like the human in this piece is about to walk into something very ominous and deadly.
DnD has been a huge part of my life for the past 2 or 3 years. I have developed some beautifully hilarious moments and some really strong friendships thanks to the game. I think anyway who can play this game should, 5th edition in particular is a brilliantly mastered game despite the flaws that it does have.
The things I have learned from DnD as Dungeon Master is being organised, being assertive and strong about my choices and most importantly improvising. Improvising I feel is one of the strongest tools a DM/GM has. Being able to make something up on the spot such as a reward or punishment or NPC shows a strong sense of creation in the DM/GM
For players and from what I have witnessed from mine is that DnD teaches great teamwork whilst also being fun. Figuring out different tactics in different scenarios is brilliant to watch.
Great video guys thanks.
I’ve noticed this need to tell everyone there is just one way to enjoy the hobby as well. I’ve been struggling for any time for any aspect of my hobby recently, but this year I’ve played very little and done more painting than anything. I don’t feel like I’ve lost out, those hours spent painting is a great way to relax is incredibly valuable to me when work gets hectic and if that is all I can make time for, that is enough for me.
Great show and an even better rant from @warzan.
Following @peacefulwarrior, my hobby is mostly painting, spending altogether too long obsessing over basing, dabbling into content and narrative writing, blogging…and the occasional game. The gaming part is in the minority but there are only so may hours in a day. I’ve been guilty of avoiding projects because I never feel I’ll use the minis, despite being inspired to put some paint on them (e.g. the stunning things coming out of Blood Keep Miniatures).
If you’ve not checked out the TEDx talk on D&D yet, it’s very much worth the time. Despite D&D being my favourite game, I don’t get to play any more. One day I’ll find a group that runs it at a time I’m free!
Yeah, I know the feels man, trying to organise is the biggest problem with my group, I think the best part of it, is how passionate my group is a I am very lucky in that way. Organising adults is like trying to herd cats, at a door… do they want to go outside? or inside, or outside… ha ha!
A big thank you Warren. You made me see that what I do is right for me and not to worry about what others think or say.
Reading through the comments says a lot about us as a community.
We all have our own opinions about what’s right and wrong, but , and a big but, we should keep or negative opinions to ourself and allow people to enjoy what they do in their way. A discussion is a good and learned thing, critisum ( sorry if I spelt it wrong) will drive people way.
I heard a story where a boy was not allowed to play in a store because he had old discontinued minis and not the latest ones. How must he have felt. Always wondered if he gave up at the start of his journey.
I could rant on for ages, but football is about to start.
Enjoy your hobby your way as long as it doesn’t hurt others.
We will count ourselves thoroughly warzan’d
I can’t that you enough @warzan for your segment about hobby. There are so many of us who feel like we don’t live up to the gamer expectations we set for ourselves. For me, my hobby is watching BeastsofWar and some other YouTube channels because I don’t get to play in the tabletop and that’s okay.
Let’s have this be our new motto. This is great, thank you.
Happy Sunday,
those West Germans are cool.
As for the hobby part. I must say I am a Warmachine collector, painter and gamer in this exact order. Everyone should enjoy their hobby as one likes. For example, I do not know what to do these years with so many ranges out there. I like to have a rulebook for the miniatures I am planning to buy, mainly for the fluff. Next, I buy some minis, too many for starters. I am stuck now with WFB, WH40k, Warmachine, Bolt Action, Umbra Turris, Infinity and Team Yankee. From all these games I played maybe three. I just like to collect and paint them. 🙂 However, I have been playing Warmachine more lately and I enjoy it. Yet, I do not like playing with unpainted figures but do not have anything against people who do.
Mythic Battle Pantheon should be on Kickstarter in October, after they deliver their Conan Kickstarter. There will be Gods, heroes and regular troops along with large monsters like the hydra.
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/186751/mythic-battles-pantheon
My hobby is…
… what I feel like doing at the moment. Sometimes I want to paint. Sometimes I want to build. Sometimes I want to watch tutorials. Sometimes I review what I own and decide what scale and genre are going to happen this weekend. Sometimes I was to generate and share exciting experiences with others. Sometimes I want to point a couple of little army men at each other making pew pew noises. Sometimes I want to play. And sometimes, I want to step away for a bit. But I always come back. My hobby is… about enjoyment, achievement, regret, passion and satisfaction.
Be excellent to each other. I have a Conan the Barbarian view of things in general; to paraphrase Arnie’s Conan: If you don’t like the way I enjoy things, then to hell with you! I don’t need other people’s negativity and small mindedness to bring me down and to follow their lead. I do things my way, the way that I enjoy them.
I have seen pictures of other people’s models which don’t match they way I like them to be done, and shouted at the photos “why haven’t you done such and such to them, they look better that way etc”, but I haven’t bothered to openly make those comments because I realise that they’ve enjoyed doing it their way and could just as easily say the same about my own models, and I don’t want to be an arsehole either lol. I don’t want to spoil their fun. I either say nothing or on things like Facebook, I give them a thumbs up; a thumbs up for sharing their hobby and not being afraid to do so. Bloody good for them!
We have to realise that we’re not making models for each other, according to each other’s expectations; we’re making them to please ourselves and enjoy the process of doing so. And if we play the games or just explore the fluff – or even only read the books and never touch the models – it doesn’t matter. To quote Rocky (lol another quote… I watch too many movies lol) “Nobody owes nobody nothin’ you owe yourself!”
Never try to meet other people’s expectations of you as you’ll never be happy. Enjoy doing things your way and you’ll be happier for it. Your hobby or pastime or gaming, whatever you want to call it, is about doing what you enjoy to make your life happier.
And be excellent to each other. 😀
Great to see you guys covering games like Faith. Great show keep it up.
I agree that we should be allowed to enjoy any part or all of our hobby. I have heard some gamers make unkind comments about other gamers painting style. (Personally I thought the paint job in question was actually fairly good). It did not encourage the person to continue in that particular game.
There is also some pressure regarding correct army composition/uniforms. While we would like these to be as historically accurate as possible late Saxons being pitted against Romano-British, while not entirely accurate, is not going to create a major crisis in history or gaming!
Most gamers are actually quite accommodating in my experience. Perhaps it is the media images, especially with regard to painting, that put people under pressure. It is not that there is any deliberate intent to put such pressure on people but people feel that they must reach a certain standard in painting or army composition to have any credibility. So perhaps we just need to be satisfied with our best and enjoy what we are good at, improve what we are not so good at, accept what we cannot be any better at and keep the fun in gaming.
None of us want our hobby to become another chore or job!
My favorite race from Faith has to be the Corax. The art work for that character with the floating spheres is one of my favorite in the game. A close second has to be the Iz’kal.
Great show guys, it explained the roots of my procrastination with my models.
I had that guilty feeling about not having as much time or a group to play with.
Now I’ll enjoy my hobby of building and collecting my armies and then if I can
play a game or two then that’s just a bonus.
Love it! The last 10 minutes were wonderful. Whatever set Warren off, give him more of it.
My Hobby is secrecy building, constricting models, painting and list building. I love to read the fluff and build an army list that firs that fluff, dam its usefulness on the battlefield, it fits the fluff. I do play many games but could care less as long as I can build.
ARG! When Warren started asking about the infinity Stones I was talking at my screen. Being a huge marvel fan, and being that Thanos is my favorite Marvel villain, and the Infinity Gauntlet series is one of my favorite stories.
Here Warren;
Time Gem: Total control over all aspects of time including time travel, stopping time, slowing down or speed up the flow of time and to accelerate or slow down aging.
Space Gem: Limitless manipulation of space, allowing for teleportation, dimensional manipulation, the creation of wormholes, etc.
Soul Gem: Limitless manipulation of souls both alive and dead also has shown to be able to evolve or devolve beings physical self as well as their mental capacities.
Reality Gem: Locally or universally alters the natural laws of the universe to the wielder’s will.
Power Gem: Controls all of the power in the universe. It can be used to augment or inhibit any force.
Mind Gem: Taps the user into the universal consciousness, allowing for unlimited manipulation of psionic powers including telepathy and telekinesis.
The Infinity Gauntlet granted virtual omnipotence to its wearer.
Bravo @warzan ! Hobby should be whatever you enjoy.
Personally I love the 40k universe. I read 40k and Horus Heresy novels. I’ve bought Forge World’s glorious HH big books to read the fluff and take in the atmosphere. Mainly though, I spend a lot of time converting, kit bashing and painting my own 40k miniatures. I probably spend an average of around 2 months on each mini I make.
Despite all this, I have never and have no plan to ever play an actual game of 40k 😀
My favorite race in faith is Human.
. But I’m biased as I helped creat it(was my character concept).
I have a tendency to end up playing humans in any RPG.
And my favorite art is
Ayahuasca…my good friend and teacher has taken. Sounded very similar to my own experiences with such things when taken in a higher consciousness way. Good to see your all (for the most part) as open minded as I am.
Also good to see the Gamer tag getting dropped. My hobby is 99% all the other bits and bobs,and 1% gameing. Always has been.
Good show Warren and Co.
Sorry for double post.
Warren, you are absolutely right. Life IS a roleplay. I pretended to be someone I was not for 35 years after I came out, it was like the veil was lifted and i could be my true, genuine self, and while it hasn’t been easy, I am happier. I grew up the “weird kid”, the outcast with only 1 or 2 friends. RPGs, wargames, comic books, writing, etc all helped me escape the crap i was dealing with as a kid. Honestly D&D helped me come out of my shell twice nearly 20 years apart. Wonderful experiences, and memories I’ll hold on to forever.
Just as i was going to submit this message, Warren gave his speech about hobby, and aspects of what we enjoy not being wrong or enough, i stopped and listened. Honestly, I was nearly brought to tears because that train of thought should be applied to all aspects of life. If you do something you enjoy, live the life you choose, as long as it doesn’t negatively effect anyone else, then good. Being a member of the LGBT community, especially with all the anti-LGBT rhetoric, makes day to day life a challenge. SO many people have such ignorance and close-mindedness about it, that they almost “hate”. It goes hand in hand with the topic of Warren’s speech, and with another bit issue as of late. Being the male-dominated hobby, and females not always feeling welcomed. I have experienced that on numerous occasions over the years, and frankly, it sucks.
I love the weekender, but the XLBS has a special place in my heart.
Always know you are welcome here…
On the subject of the 90s Batman cartoon: did anyone else know Mark Hamill was the voice of the Joker? I only found out recently. Mind. Blown.
Great XLBS this week team. So had an interesting situation this weekend with my 12 year old. He and his mates spent all weekend, and I mean all weekend on a website for FIFA the soccer game. Now they weren’t playing, they were buying and selling players and building teams. They had an absolute ball. Initially I was going to give them a bit of wind up over this, but then I realized that’s exactly what I do with my hobby.
It would be 6 months since I last played a game, but I have been busy painting, modelling, researching, watching BOW, and of course spending too much on armies I wont have a chance to look at till next year! But I have had a blast.
I love the look of a freshly painted army, and the enjoyment I get out of seeing it on a good terrain setup is hard to explain. However clearly as I saw over the weekend with my boy it doesn’t just relate to our hobby does it.
I think if I could buy one thing, for my hobby its a garage and a top notch display case so I could crack open a beer each day and just look at them in all their glory!
In regards to my hobby, there were some interesting points raised. Currently my hobby revolves around painting and researching historical periods. I’m in the process of building and painting armies for Waterloo, WW2, Korea and Cold War campaigns in 20mm. Eventually I’ll get them to a state in which I’ll game with them, then my hobby will centre around gaming.
Five years ago my hobby nearly drove me out of the hobby. I was painting armies and competition pieces, editing Irregular Magazine, doing demos at shows, writing a blog, running a painting club and regular gaming. All my spare time was consumed with the hobby, I was spending a shed load of money and time on the hobby till the point that I’d burnt myself out of the hobby.
I ended up closing down the magazine for a year or two, slowing down the blog. I stopped attending shows, dropped gaming and barely picked up a brush. These days I’m more aware of thy time I spend on the hobby and enjoy it more. I’ve even restarted magazine, but it now lives up to the name Irregular lol. We output when we have a suitable issue, rather than on the dot every 3 months.
I play more skirmish and board games these days rather than massive point based army games, this means I’m nit consumed with trying to get masses of miniatures painted. The current armies I’m building and painting, there’s no rush to get them done so in enjoying the process more. I think sometimes we let our hobby consume us.
That is one hell of a figure and however wins it should be well pleased
Buzz lightyear must be in one of the Avengers films he has been to infinity and beyond? Don’t forget Ivana humpalot from Austin Powers,
Books can be the same as game characters if well written your imagination can almost shape the story around you making you feel part of the story?
Hear Hear @warzan, some people’s hobby is to piss off other people I think and not just in gaming.
In next weeks show the euro debate in/out or shake it all about? Lol
@warzan, I think you made some entirely fair points and as a point, I pick up/sub some wargame mags monthly, and they all have the areas you mentioned.
Rasing a point question, a historical review, converting models, dioramas, painting section, terrain making section, wargame and book reviews, game scenarios, battle reports, battle and campaign rules generally make up each and every wargame mag you can buy.
Each section doesn’t start with a sorry I’m only doing this, but more generally ‘A for anyone that knows me they know how I like….’ They don’t apologize so why is that such a common expression we make?
According to Andrew W.K., life is the party.
Therefore My hobby is to party…
Lets’s Hobby and Party!
happy Sunday!
Vent! C’mon Vent that frustration!
Ahhh, its better now. I totally agree with the thought that you end up not doing anything because you tell yourself you can’t do it, and so you DON’T IT, or anything sometimes.
It helps to remind ourselves that the goal will be very enjoyable. But of course, enjoy the journey, otherwise the goal will be just as shallow as the path taken to get there!
Nice rant Warren. Put some caffeine in that system of yours before taking in a movie!
Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don’t matter and those who matter don’t mind.
happy Sunday, and a great discussion.
wow, looking through the FAITH game, i think my heart is set on the IZ`KAL race, from their gallery i would love to paint the model they have for a female iz`kal
http://burning-games.com/en/faith-sci-fi-art-rpg-boardgame/characters-and-npcs/
you guys opened the flood gates on the subject of our hobbies and games in relation to their positive effects in real life, i strongly believe kids these days can use real hobbies and board/war games to socialize, especially with the insane rise of the tech toys that isolates people instead of bringing them together. social media create more solitude than. as a father myself i make it my mission to teach my 2 year old daughter the benefits of working on something and sharing the experience and the adventure with actual human beings. there something about building models, painting and customizing them, than picking up your army and going out to a club to meet and play with other people. i believe our hobby forces us to socialize and develop skills to meet new people, communicate with them and develop new relationships.
“wargamers unite” happy Sunday.
Iowaska has documented links to psychosis and is a very dangerous drug to experiment with, particular if you are a teenager.
@warzan hit the nail on the head there. You get so many people these days who become keyboard warriors and sit on some kind of pedestal above all others.
I ended up in an discussion the other day about whether it was ok to use third party components on GW kits on facebook – and the other guy got incredibly nasty and basically called me a thief because I felt that someones choice for buying something they like the look of was entirely their decision.
That kind of mentality really grinds my gears…..
Great show guys. I love Faith. My 2 favorite races are the Raag and the Humans. I love that humans aren’t the dominant race they are trying to survive in the vast universe. I love the idea of the Raag moving through space in their ice fortresses; gathering resources for their ice bound planet to survive. All the artwork is fantastic, but the landscapes give you a great sense or feel of the worlds you are fighting on
Happy sunday (even if it’s already monday because we had a small gamers convention past 4 days) 🙂
I can’t find words enough or appropriate to say how lucky and thankful I am to once, some years ago, stumbled over the Beasts of War. @warzan you are totally right, there are so many out there poisoning our hobby, or everyones hobby. I got a little bit tired to be honest over the last years, counter commenting on such, left a lot of forums, but we should fight those at first sight. But hope is still out there, reading all those great comments here, shows we’re on the light sight of the hobby and have fun.
For me, aside from meeting friends and gaming with them, it was always a joy to see amazing miniatures and terrain. So please @lloyd go on making great terrain and share your experience on building with us.
Great show . many thanks!
I only wargame because I simply don’t have the time to roleplay any more with my old group spread out, kids and shiftwork all thrown in, I manage about half a day a month of actual gaming. The rest is reading, modelling and painting.
As much as I enjoy wargaming, for me, it’s just a distraction until I can break out the pen and paper again (not that it’s likely to be any time soon).
I havent put up till now because I was stunned, nay shocked at Warzan’s out pouring and purging and how absolutely I can say he hit that nail so hard on the head it went in and came out of the other side. Well done and bravo sir, it has been bubbling under that gentlemanly surface for far too long, go on my mucker let it out. Out with the bad breathe in the good and all that. I have to say that poor old Lloyd and Ben winced a couple of times and all credit for Lloyd for trying to place himself between a water buffalo and water, (now that is a frightening prospect Warren.) Then seeing the sense to just step aside and let it happen. Both of this weekends show’s have gone down as perhaps and I mean this the best I have seen for real content. More of the same please, but every week would be boring so just every other.
I know what you mean about RPGs. I know a couple of RPG groups – not surprisingly there’s a large overlap with my tabletop groups – but I won’t ATM as I’d be “that guy”, the one who can’t make it a bit too often.
I quit my last group to move city. One of them did get in touch with me when my favourite Call of Cthulhu character died. It was quite touching.
Great show again guys. And the bit at the end; excellent and well said, but you’ll always get the numpties everywhere who know what you should and shouldn’t like just because hey say so. The mad hatter bit was interesting too, actually the dipped the felt hats in to vats of mercury to stiffen the material,sort of like viagra for head wear and it’s themercury fumes that drive person,2Mad.”
With Warren on the “Hobby”, it`s not the whole but the part you are happy to do. Maybe later on when you feel the urge to do something different, then maybe you look into a side of the hobby that`s not appealed or interested you before, but now does……………..One thing i`ve always held to is this, we are all individuals and all have are own hobby paths to follow. I`ve had people say to me you should go for this army or that army, but i`ve always declined (nicely of course) and picked something that has appealed to me. The way it seem`s to work for me is like this, i`ll see a figure that has caught my attention example being Malifaux…….
Now Malifaux has a lot of very interesting factions, and colourful characters. So i spent a few day`s a while back going through all there factions reading the back ground about each one. I`d gotten through the first 6 factions (with there 7 factions) and had not felt the tug i would normally feel, that is until i got to the “Gremlins” factions. Now i went through each faction and just did`t feel it until i got to the “Bush Wackers” Mah Tucket`s mob, as soon as i saw Mah with her “Big” wooden spoon and read her back ground i know i had found my faction. Don`t get me wrong there are a lot of nice factions in Malifaux, but the thought of someone running round with a big wooden spoon hitting everyone with in range just did it for me. I`ve now bought the box set and hope to get a few games in soon, just need to get Mah and the mob painted first.
I`m also like Lloyd, i like to make my own scenery. I don`t get to make any as often as i used to, but i do keep my hand in.
My biggest pet hate is this, “The Painting critic”. Why is it some people just love to bring other`s down with there hurtful comment`s, is it because it make`s them feel better about them selves. We all had to start somewhere, and in stead of being complete and utter “_ankers” what they should be doing is giving out some helpful pointers.
“We Are Not All Master Painters And We All Had to Start Somewhere”, so get a life and stop being a “_ankers”
Liking the “Skid” mini a very nice mini, and as you can just get him on his own of the kick starter think i`ll nip on over and get one.
My hobby is what my poor wallet allows.
i dont get to play 40k (i think ive forgot yhe rules now) but i loveed paiting my orks and i look at them painted and im like “yeah im not the best painter in the world but im proud of those”.
My hobby at the moment is i joined a D&D club at dudley and its all about themeing my cleric with dice and colours and all that good stuff.
My nex hobby may be when a guy from my D&D group is homebrewing a complete new system of rpg pick from all his best rules from rpgs and im gonna be a werebear :).
thing is nerds are cool now and the hipster beard guys look at my old skool dwarven beard in glory 🙂
Wow, Warren you sure took me back.
See, I’m an old time gamer, 30+ yrs I say. From D&D to 40K, I have read, painted printed, cut, glued, build, you name it I think I’ve done it.
Now after so many years I see myself just watching your show and looking outside the glass windows. I don’t have a gaming group anymore ( I moved from were I used to live ) after I was injured I had to move to an area close to were I was getting my treatments leaving all my friends behind.
To make things worse, the movers lost most of my gaming stuff, ( it was like we Americans say Murphy’s Laws were working over time that day ).
Fully painted 40k armies, board games, the works, not to mention personal stuff.
( some of the 40k stuff had personal attachment to it since I had it since the RT times, see I used to work for GW and was able to get my hands on some cool stuff from back in the day )
Then came the time of trying to replace most of the stuff, ohh what a time. I meet some good people and some really bad people.
I was part of the Mandelbaum few that got screwed by him, and boy was that hard. But enough of that.
I don’t mind unpainted minis, hell most of mine are unpainted since part of my injuries prevent me from painting anymore, thanks to my lovely wife my figures are getting painted.
But, like you said, Warren, it is part of the hobby, I do stare at them all the time and do see them and wish that they were painted, and sometimes miss my painted armies.
They did look sweet on the table, because there’s nothing better than seeing a table full of painted minis.
😀
Brother G
Okay Starfire absorbs energy from the Sun so her species wear very little clothing, She is actually Conservative Dress for her Species
Ravager is actually Death Stroke Daughter
Kid Flash depend on which one he’s from the future or Wally West
Also DC likes their “Families” i.e. Batman Family [Huntress, Batgirl, Batwoman, robin, Nightwing]
Happy Sunday,
I really agree with the points Warren made on what hobby is. I’m just as happy building terrain, painting or getting a game in depending what time allows and I’ve never been bothered much by the state of my opponents figures (painted/unpainted/etc) as long as we both enjoy what we’re doing.
Looking at the Faith Kickstarter, I’d have to say I like the sound of both the Corvo and The Raag, but the Corvo artwork appeals to me more, particularly the left image on the second row (just titled Corvo Male, but I’m assuming he’s some sort of hacker giving the 3D interface on his wrist.)
Happy Tuesday! (Sorry. Late to the party!) Been meaning to ask, does anyone else see strange green and purple spots on the pics of wonderwoman, batman and joker? Great show though and guilt free hobbying to you all!
@lloyd Raging heroe models are perfrect for dust, I am using them all the time, they fit fantastic!
@radegast6 cool then I’ll look into it 🙂
Sorry, late as always, but Happy Tuesday!
I really like the sound of the Raag, I like Nomadic races also I love Winter and when it snows so I could really get behind a race from a place were it always winter, For artwork I really liked all the NPC’s but The character at the top with the rifle over his shoulder is prob my favorite or the woman sniper that has kinda a star trek borg look to her. Its all pretty cool tho.
I PICK NO RACES !!!!!!!! THERE IS NO OTHER RACES IF THERE IS NO DWARFS !!!!!!
Tell it like it is brother
Happy after Sunday!
An excellent episode guys, Thankyou, and I loved the rant Warren. lol
Really interesting XLBS. I think I learned loads from RPGs too, including how to improvise, go with the flow and how people think and feel. I still roleplay occasionally and it’s one of the few times I get to really hang out with people.
Me and my hobby… I had an epiphany a while ago when I realised that I was happy buying games and figures that I was never likely to play with, certainly not as a ‘hobby’, playing regularly in the way I played 40K growing up. But I like the idea of supporting the creative effort of others, like appreciating the craftmanship and ideas other people have put into games, and if the miniatures are nice, I can enjoy them – and hope to have enough to introduce others to the game too.
That said, I don’t think I should feel comfortable about the fact that I collect loads of stuff and it just sits in boxes. I’ve got more stuff than I’ll ever make, let alone paint or play with. That’s a problem.
One of my biggest enjoyments in the hobby these days is seeing people progress. Whether that’s in real life, seeing what people have done with their armies, and how they get better at a game, or following someone online as they learn about a game / army, etc.
On a related note, I like being part of a community, even if for the most part it’s a virtual one. It’s one of the things I most like about BoW and one of the big mistakes I think GW made with White Dwarf when they stopped putting ‘hobby’ content into it, and telling us what their staff thought and what their staff were doing. I enjoyed getting to know the White Dwarf team, just as I enjoy getting to know the BoW team, albeit mostly through videos, with the once a year meet up at Salute!
In games themselves, I like stories, interaction and cleverness. I like outwitting my opponent and seeing a plan come together, but it’s almost as fun being torn apart by a master playing well. What’s not so fun is playing a game where you feel one side has no chance no matter what they do.
Finally got to watch Sunday’s show now only, and I have to say Warren I am right behind you. If you go for that President position you have my vote mate. My hobby is my hobby and I am tired of these self righteous idiots on the internet that constantly ooze negativity and spend all their time winning about the same old sh…t rather than just getting on with enjoying their hobby and leaving other people in piece to enjoy their hobby.
Most amazing show, I really enjoyed this one, I don’t normally comment much but you have inspired me here and I just wanted to say, yes, yes, yes well said.
Can some effort please be made into keeping Warren on topic? At least vaguely? He goes off on two tears in the first 30mins of this video. I don’t even know why he started on Whitehouse Down/Olympus/London Has Fallen/San Andreas/Dwayne Johnson when the topic was Knight Models.
Also please try to be less dismissive of a model just because you haven’t read a comic book. If you are going to put it on screen at least try to discuss the sculpt or something don’t just shrug at it.
I’ll be watching the rest of the vid later but the first half an hour was actually irritating for me. 🙁
“I don’t even know why he started on Whitehouse Down/Olympus/London Has Fallen/San Andreas/Dwayne Johnson when the topic was Knight Models.”
Do not be concerned, neither do I! 😉
Electric shock collar ordered for prevention of future meandering 😉
Came back to this as I onky just got arpund to watching last weeks xlbs and thought you might be referring to my post!
Thanks for acknowledging it, I genuinely do enjoy so much of the content here it just winds me up a bit when a topic I’m interested in hearing about gets lost like that and ends up not getting its 5mins or whatever of coverage.
I have watched the whole thing now and I’m happy to say I enjoyed the second half so much more. That was a good discussion and it stayed on topic too!
I can’t help but think I’m close to being a complete hobbiest lately! I’m buying building and painting my minis and actively try to game as much as I can. Sadly I’m constrained by time but mostly by a lack of nearby opponents playing the stuff I’m into. Which means I mostly paint stuff while waiting for my next opportunity to play with it!
Watching this video has made me feel so much better about the hobby I enjoy. So many times have I felt bad because I don’t understand the complicated rule sets of particular games. I love collecting different models, whether I get to play them or not. And when I do, I get a lot of satisfaction from it. In fact, the simpler games that leave a lot to the imagination are my favorites, such as A Song of Blade and Heroes. Warren, your the best figurehead for hobbyists everywhere.