Prodos Bring Special Miniatures & AvP 2nd Edition To AdeptiCon 2017
March 21, 2017 by brennon
Prodos Games are going to be at AdeptiCon 2017 and with them, they bring some special miniatures and some big news concerning Alien Vs Predator as the 2nd Edition becomes available for pre-order this week.
Leading the way however they have this special Capitol Heavy Infantry Trooper from the world of Warzone: Resurrection who will be free to anyone who buys $40 worth of Warzone goodies. To give you a heads up their booth is situated at number thirteen in the Discovery Hall.
The model is, of course, UniCast which is the new method Prodos are using on their models...and it does look rather superb. She is joined by another UniCast model which is available at the event, the AdeptiCon Alien Diorama.
This piece will be available to those who spend $50 on AvP miniatures and other gubbins at the event. So, there you have it. Two big show miniatures for the event if you get stuck in and spend some cash with Prodos. The big news, however, came as the announced that AvP 2nd Edition would be coming soon.
AvP 2nd Edition Pre-Orders
The new boxed game comes along with a complete revamp. The new box is square rather than a rectangle and is packed with their UniCast miniatures meaning you no longer have to assemble anything from within the set.
The miniatures, which also now come in a coloured material, do look fantastic and they were always one of the big selling points of the game.
Additionally, the new set comes with revamped and reconfigured rules as well as the Last Stand Mode. You will also find a new foam insert within the box allowing you to keep your models and other components safe between games.
While the game has had quite the chequered past and still continues to be a bit of a bugbear in the industry it would be interesting to see what's changed with the game going forward.
Maybe Dawn & Gianna will be able to stop in with the guys from Prodos at the event and find out more for you.
What do you think of the news?
"To give you a heads up their booth is situated at number thirteen in the Discovery Hall..."
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Glad to see there is a reason I am still waiting on my kickstarter. Good to see 20th century fox has no issues with authorising sculpts as well.
Can you give me a rundown on what’s up with AVP?
I mean, I can just go out and buy the game anytime I want. Have they not delivered anything to backers? Or are backers waiting on a second or third wave of stuff?
I wanted to check on the Kickstarter page, but it says that AVP is subject to an intellectual property dispute.
What is up with that!?!
I’d suggest checking out http://www.beastsofwar.com/groups/sci-fi-gamer-town-square/forum/topic/calling-avp-kickstarter-backers/
There’s a lot to go through, but that’s what’s needed to get a grasp of the full farcical situation.
I backed it, still not recieved any of my pledge, prodos don’t respond to emails, I only get automated responses. I believed this happened to a few people. I’ve heard some people got the base pledge but none of the extras they had pledged for. If you know who King Fluff is on facebook he posted on facebook a similar set of problems he was having with prodos a few weeks ago.
Backers are still waiting on initial products. I would have a look at the forum posts for the full details but as one of the bakers with no product ever received they are not a company that I would want to support.
there is a second edition in print when people haven’t received stuff from the first Kickstarter?
that takes balls.
Balls, no
The p*ss, yes
Is it fraud by false representation? I do this in the day job and I’m trying to think it through.
Another kick in the nuts for the backers who still haven’t received their stuff.
Prodos are fuckwits and I don’t think the Beast should be promoting this company.
I can’t believe they have the gall to launch a second version of AVP when I and so many others have been waiting years for them to honour the AVP kickstarter pledges. They don’t reply to emails and most of the stuff I pledged for is available from their online store so what’s the excuse for not delivering it? I’ve even offered to pay extra postage. I’m disappointed that B.O.W. are still promoting products from these crooks. Instead you guys should be putting pressure on them to fulfil their commitments to the gaming community. They might listen to you.
While I appreciate that BoW try to be a positive outlet, Prodos absolutely deserve to be called to task for AvP.
Prodos/archon whatever they call themselves are dishonest scum, preorder at your own risk.
Was hoping beasts would be taking the same approach they did with load for the second edition of AVP. 🙁
This is a news article it is not a promotion. I think people need to realize that. BoW are reporting news they are not endorsing anything. People should not equate the reporting of information with endorsing a product.
Aye – I’m coming at this from the viewpoint of just making sure people know it’s out there. I’d rather have mentioned this in the news and got you, talking about it than ignored it and then folks ask us why we hadn’t talked about it heh.
There are things we post in the news that we like and want you to go and look at…of course, but we’re also just posting about things that are happening, especially with AdeptiCon being such a big thing.
True enough Ben, it is news and this is the news feed. I just feel that sometimes BoW don’t tackle the negatives in the industry.
These are companies rather than charities at the end of the day, if you order a groceries delivery from a supermarket then you should get your groceries. I realise as I type this that kickstarter is not a pre-order service and so on etc.
Ben: I think BoW does have a responsibility to help police such companies as Prodos, particularly as the Beast promotes itself as a community forum. Prodos has acted in a despicable way towards innocent wargamers who also support this forum. As a result, I don’t think it’s morally right for you to be promoting them.
The boxed game in 1st Edition is a lot of fun. I’ve also played with the beta of 2.0 and it remains a fun game.
I have no knowledge at all about the Kickstarter situation, I’m just talking about game play.
IMHO this move is a complete joke when people are still waiting on their KS. I bought the game retail almost two years ago and if they can do this they should bloody well sort out the people who they still owe LOTS too
Prodos don’t deserve customers if this is how they are treated
Even back in the good old days when the KS was still running for the ’boutique resin’ version of the game, we knew there was going to be a retail edition with plastic miniatures. I don’t recall the exact timeline, but I believe the retail edition was supposed to go into production six months after the KS edition has been shipped. Obviously, things* happened which massively stretched out that timeline, meaning this retail edition is now several years ‘late’ and Prodos sold the premium resin edition at retail as a stop-gap to help keep some money coming in. In some ways this is fortunate:
1) Although the expensive (hard plastic) tooling never happened for this retail edition, the delay was so long that unicast was ‘invented’ in the meantime and became a viable option. For a board game like this, it is a far, far better solution than a plastic kit that needs assembly and the quality of the unicast models I have is great.
2) It gave Prodos ample time to do something about the component quality which was the main complaint of the KS edition – specifically the tiles. To reprint your game several years later with all the mistakes of the previous run is all kinds of stupid.
3) Like many games these days, the rules get improved over time; The boardgame rules (as well as the wargame rules) have been getting attention over the last nine months or so and it makes sense to ship the most recent version with the retail edition. This is really the only thing that makes it a new “version” of the game versus the simple retail edition it would have been had it been released two years ago.
All of these things add up to a boxed game that would do very well at retail if the last three years hadn’t happened. Unfortunately, they did happen, and now we will have to wait and see if the retail success of the game can outweigh the baggage that surrounds it.
As for the state of Kickstarter delivery, it is difficult to describe in words what has actually happened, but there are five important milestones to consider. In chronological order, they are:
1) The completion of the base game.
2) The decision to ship certain add-ons that were ready in a wave, despite stating during the KS that Prodos did not want to ship in waves due to the bad experience (and expense!) of doing this with Warzone. (Wave 1)
3) The decision to stop shipping partial orders.
4) The decision to ship certain add-ons that were ready in a wave (Wave 2)
5) The completion of (hopefully all) remaining add-ons in Wave 3.
Point 3 is the most significant, and should account for almost all of those people who don’t have anything from their pledge yet. It goes something like this:
1) The base game is complete. Prodos begin sending out pledges to backers that ONLY consist of the base game. As far as I know, this is the only group who all “have their stuff.” Prodos also START sending out base games to people who backed for the base game AND other things.
2) Add-on approvals trickle through and Prodos decide to ship what has been approved and produced as Wave 1. Shipping of base games to people who pledged for more than the base game is still taking place at this point. This means that Prodos is now shipping out two kinds of orders: A) Boxes containing only Wave 1 add-ons to people who already have their base game but are waiting on Wave 1 content (but may or may not also be waiting for Wave 2+ content) and B) Boxes containing the base game and Wave 1 add-ons to people (who may or may not also be waiting for Wave 2+ content).
3) For mostly cost reasons (points 1 and 2 have taken so long that shipping costs have gone up massively), Prodos decide to stop shipping incomplete orders on their own. Unfortunately, shipping of both groups in point 2 is not yet complete. This divides the order pool into many different categories:
3A) Backers who pledged for the base game only and have the base game (complete)
3B) Backers who pledged for the base game + wave 1 only, and have both (complete AFAIK)
3C) Backers who pledged for the base game + wave 1 + wave 2, and have nothing (because the order for base + wave 1 was not fulfilled before this ‘cut-off date’ happened).
3D) Backers who pledged for the base game + wave 1 + wave 2, and have the base game and wave 1.
3E) Backers who pledged for the base game + wave 1 + wave 2 + wave 3, and have nothing (because the order for base + wave 1 was not fulfilled before this ‘cut-off date’ happened).
3F) Backers who pledged for the base game + wave 1 + wave 2 + wave 3, and have the base game only (because the wave 1 order was not fulfilled before this ‘cut-off date’ happened).
3G) Backers who pledged for the base game + wave 1 + wave 2 + wave 3, and have the base game and wave 1.
While the reasons for stopping shipment of incomplete orders make sense, it created a real mess. Prodos stated that if you placed an order for something in their web store and were waiting on some or all of your AvP but some of that was “complete” you could tell them in your order and they would include it with your webstore shipment.
4) More Add-ons become ready, including (importantly) the freebies that would allow many of the outstanding orders to be completed. Pledges that can be FULLY FULFILLED start going out, changing the categories like this:
4A) Backers who pledged for the base game only and have the base game (complete)
4B) Backers who pledged for the base game + wave 1 only, and have both (complete AFAK)
4C) Backers who pledged for the base game + wave 1 + wave 2, and have nothing (there should not be any of these, but it is possible the Wave 2 shipping is STILL ongoing).
4D) Backers who pledged for the base game + wave 1 + wave 2, and have the base game and wave 1 (there should not be any of these, but it is possible the Wave 2 shipping is STILL ongoing).
4E) Backers who pledged for the base game + wave 1 + wave 2, and have the base game and wave 1 and wave 2 (should be complete now).
4F) Backers who pledged for the base game + wave 1 + wave 2 + wave 3, and have nothing (because the order for base + wave 1 was not fulfilled before the ‘cut-off date’ happened. Nothing will be shipped until Wave 3 is done).
4G) Backers who pledged for the base game + wave 1 + wave 2 + wave 3, and have the base game only (because the wave 1 order was not fulfilled before the ‘cut-off date’ happened. Wave 1 + 2 + 3 will not be shipped until Wave 3 is done).
4H) Backers who pledged for the base game + wave 1 + wave 2 + wave 3, and have the base game and wave 1. (Wave 2 + 3 will not be shipped until Wave 3 is done).
If you are in category 4C or 4D *ONLY* please contact me. I can’t promise anything, but I will try and talk with Jarek to find out what is going on. For everyone else in 4F through to 4H (and that includes myself) then things are.. er.. on plan. We still have some waiting to do until Wave 3 is done (and dear god do I hope there isn’t a wave 4) and only then will we really be able to say if Prodos ran off with our money or if this is simply the worlds latest and most drawn out KS that still reaches a conclusion.
5) I think some shots of the clear predator sprue were on facebook recently. So we can save that Wave 3 will be “soon”. Unfortunately, that’s like.. Valve “soon”.
* things includes, but is not limited to, bad luck, obfuscation, screw ups and shenanigans. In this particular saga, it is often hard to tell which is which.
This probably isn’t an exhaustive list, but here are the things we are still waiting on in Wave 3 (or beyond!). If have any of these things in your pledge (not 100% sure about Linn and Dutch), you won’t be getting anything from Prodos until Wave 3:
P Cloaked Pred (Ranged)
P Cloaked Pred (Disc)
P Cloaked Pred (Spear)
P Cloaked Female Predator
P Cloaked Berserker
P Cloaked Young Blood
Hardback Rulebook
Resin Terrain Set
Major Dutch Schaefer
Lieutenant Linn Kurosawa
M Sergeant
M Colonial Marines (the alt poses)
I don’t know who you are IRL siygess but your description of “the state we are in” seems very mechanical to me, and the detail makes me think you are linked to Prodos somehow. I feel the need to put another side to the story. This KS was supposed to deliver in May of 2014. We all knew it would be late, but nobody minded because, well, it was AVP man!!!! Then the issues began. The main one being that the KS page was mysteriously taken down so we had nowhere to go. Communication was, and remains, appalling. The owner of Prodos seems not to give a flying F### about the backers, in fact we seem to be the enemy. The Facebook pages they have set up are administrated by totally unreasonable fanboys that will not allow any criticism of the fiasco and who use the ban-hammer on anyone who dares to contradict them. Month in, month out we are lied to or ignored. The owner would surface on a forum, heap abuse on the backers and disappear. The two English stalwarts of Prodos both left because of the autocratic nature of the owner (and have become very successful in their own right – if you want to see how a KS should be run look at Mark Rapson) and Prodos withdrew to Poland, making communication even worse.
All we ever asked for was transparency and communication. We have had neither. At salute I will be asking Prodos the following questions which the members of the crew Expendable FB group have put together, although I won’t hold my breath for any form of honesty in response:
1. Are those 50 backers who picked up a copy of the games at UKGE in 2015 (poor rule book, unreadable cards) going to get a proper copy of the rules and cards?
2. When can we expect the KS to finish delivery?
3. Are you expecting backers to pay for shipping for the remaining KS items?
4. What are you doing about ping tokens being different sizes?
5. When will we get updated cards for models not in the core box?
6. Who do we get in contact with nowadays?
7. Who are the new bosses of Prodos?
8. Will we get Resource Cards included in the Unleashed rules or do we have to buy them separately?
9. What is happening to the license for the game next year?
If anyone from Prodos is reading, please start having a think about this now.
Although I should point out that the detail comes from the backer updates and the occasional snippet of news that makes it to Facebook. It’s all in the public domain, but not presented in a coherent matter.
I have to add that a independant journalism channel really should be a little more critical of Produs, I appreciate your comments @brennon but the article does read as if the issues are in the past and they are clearly not. Frankly I don’t think anyone would have an issue if a decision was made to not cover Produs, or to do so with a much more critical eye.
Personally I have not been stung by them but business practices and shall we say some terrible ok in the eighties sculpts mark them as a company the industry would be better off without.
“While the game has had quite the chequered past and still continues to be a bit of a bugbear in the industry it would be interesting to see what’s changed with the game going forward.”
What a strangely circumspect and vague way of mentioning this. Why not just come out and say what the ‘bugbear’ is?
Backers from the Kickstarter are still waiting for some or all of their pledge, despite the game being available on retailers shelves for 20 months now, and Prodos having a 40% off firesale last summer.