Weekender XLBS: Dark Age Terrain Tips & New Flames Of War Edition Impressions
March 12, 2017 by brennon
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Happy Sunday
Happy Sunday!!
How come my FoW3 book hasn’t updated itself overnight?
What do you mean “it’s not like an app ” and I’ve got to go to my FLGS and physically pick one up?
What’s this world coming to? 😉
The Vought F4U Corsair made a whistling noise but not sure if that’s what you’re refering to.
Awesome show as usual guys and I’m loving all the SAGA stuff especially the campaign.
On the shields. As was said there are no rules. Kite shields began to pick up traction as warriors became more mounted but the round sheild never really went out of use. Some warriors would have symbols and some wouldn’t. Some would have rules on paint colours others would use what they could afford or might have just left their shields with the linen/leather facing. Remember shields get pretty banged up so need to be fairly cheap and easy to replicate. Imagine painting some fantastic design with expensive paint in the most valuable colour and some guy puts an arrow in it or scratches it when you block.
On the tower. It doesn’t have to be a Roman leftover it could have been built by the locals. Wattle and daube can be reinforced to be quite strong with the right internal structure which the Scandinavians did use and cladding a firing position in timber is just common sense. Also make it maybe 25% bigger and made of stone and you’ve got yourself a Norman Keep the most common period style castle. Maybe add a wooden wall and you’ve got youself the classic siege relief game.
Keep us informed with the campaign and how Justin’s de-boned Beserker’s are doing.
I am keeping the blogy thing updated, so you’ll find the ins and outs of the Beasts Saga here http://www.beastsofwar.com/groups/historical-games/forum/topic/saga-the-age-of-the-beast/?topic_page=1&num=15
Happy Sunday,
Normally I skip having to listen to myself, but I’m really glad I did the cut aways were hilarious @lancorz great job matey 🙂
Hehe 🙂
the badguys from Dune are house Harkonen
And corrino and pretty much any one non artrrides and in later books its the guild of navigators, bene gessariat and the descendants of Paul, just ignore the pink and the brain abortion that is chapterhouse dune…
Happy Sunday (night) lads.
Love Jerry and his Saga hobby updates. You blokes need to do a weekly update show the next campaign you run. So we can follow the trials and tribulations of not-Ivor the Avenger and the rock throwing Irishmen, get a feel of how you are spending you money…hell throw in a Match of the video. The man runs such a tight campaign it’d be great to get a regular dose though (I do follow and love the blog but, you know …more)
@brennon Ignore the insults, you are a member of the true faith. A man who is sick of dwarfs is sick of life. Keep the dwarfiness coming …. another great dwarf kickstarter lauches next week too
House Ordos is only in the video games. it is never mentioned in any of the awsome books.
I have the tendency to put my brushes in my mouth, a habit that I have been unable to kick. @avernos and his description of how the hairs are plucked from rodent’s bottoms may have just helped me to stop!
Brings a whole new meaning to rat arsed…
I beginning to think we need a Saga series with Jerry…..looking at starting the game, running campaigns, linked with terrain making and maybe some historical background info…
Saga is one of those games I’d like to start playing, as I’m really interested in the Post Roman and Early Medieval periods. Especially in the UK, the changes that occurred during this time makes it a really interesting time period.
Myself and Gerry have been talking very informally about Crescent and the Cross in 10 or 15mm( 2 posts and a pm on BoW) as the battles would have been slight bigger with more men involved which could be an interesting project for Gerry to start with
sounds like the gauntlet has been cast down, should I pick it up…. I’m not saying that I’m currently scrolling through Pendraken’s website at the moment or anything but….
As much as I love Pendraken their range for the 3rd crusades is a little underwhelming
having had a scroll I think you’re right, I’m currently exploring 10mm to widen the pool, also I think it will work much better on the basing
but legio heroica do a great 15mm range. I should get samples
Legio would be my choice. LBMS does shields transfers for them as well
Great to see yet more Saga and @avernos !!
I really want to get back into this at some stage soon.
Also great to see Spectre getting a mention here..how grand would a Bootcamp for this be?!?!
Spectre would be a great choice for a bootcamp. A company with their own rules and figures, easy to customise and get into and loads of opportunities for interesting game boards and games.
Great XLBS.
Enjoyed spying Gerry’s erection and delving deep into Saga.
Should sheep worrying be part of a skirmish game?
Of course it should.
When in the Dark Ages, go dark. 🙂
Would love a Saga boot camp. Not sure I could afford another one, seeing as I will be at the Hobby weekend soon, but for Saga I might stump up again and take another trip.
Really love this site and this community.
Happy gaming.
those sheep are dynamite, in fact for one viking warlord the sheep inflicted the only casualty on Lee’s Irish.
1st corp do a complete flock in resin
http://1stcorps.co.uk/product/dark-ageearly-medieval-villagers01/
Happy Sunday!
Happy Sunday
Well thats it… I have bitten the bullet Saga and a Warband is on the way… I blame @avernos @dignity @lloyd and @brennon oh well “By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes”
@dignity must have reversed the polarity on that carrying case. 😀
I’d vote for a Dune 2 tabletop game. I’ve spent an entire sweltering summer playing the video game when I was a kid. Rocket turrets and sonic tanks everywhere!
those dwarves are stunning, the standard of sculpts these days continues to blow me away.
really enjoying the saga stuff, it’s great to see you fellas get into more detail with a system your all enjoying. I like the seeing new game systems and the new hotness but you can lose that immersion you get from truly investing in a setting. it’s all about the narrative and immersion.
Happy Sunday guys. Lloyd, for stringing those bows, look for something called EZ-Line. It’s an elastic polymer thread with about 700% stretch and comes in a variety of colours and widths. Scale modellers use it for ship rigging, Aeroplane rigging and aerial wires, overhead electrical/telephone cables, etc
Cool @elaric will check it out 🙂
The dwarves are ok but they are always low down on my list when the comes to fantasy . When it comes to gaming with them they always fall a little bit short in playability and when it come to lore etc they will never be able reach the same heights as the other races
That was a bit of a low blow there. I suppose talking about dwarfs it was too much to hope that it would raise my expectations though
Ahahaha ^^ I’ve got the same idea of the dice tower when I saw this incredible watch tower!
Well done!
(anyway, Happy Sunday to all!)
As @elessar2590 says, the Japanese called the Vought F4U Corsair (probably the baddest ass fighter of World War II, sorry Spitfire and Mustang 🙂 ) the “Whistling Death” – but not sure if that’s a coincidence with what Justin’s talking about.
Awesome German DAK armor by @madgolem ! The DAK armor I brought to the boot camp pre-built and painted was Zvezda as well. You did a great job on these. I can attest tanks like these are deceptively tough to do (they look very simple with just sand-yellow and some dark grays) – but it’s actually quite challenging to make such a “simple” color scheme look striking on a table top, and with no camouflage to cover your “mistakes.”
You mention that decals are tough to find. Might I suggest PSC? They sell 15mm and 20mm decal sheets without swastikas for like $6.00 USD – you won’t have any DAK insignia (which unfortunately includes the symbol) but at least you’ll have some great balkenkreuz and tactical numbers.
These are the ones I used on my DAK force at the boot camp.
Great job!
Jim…… http://domsdecals.com/epages/81fc44d0-907b-42a4-9f72-8d3238c7e6b2.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/81fc44d0-907b-42a4-9f72-8d3238c7e6b2/Categories/ecee596a242de13b779391cdaa2c528d/626718a950291b0596e8d22dee80c8ba
Thanks, @torros . I’m actually good on DAK decals since @brucelea totally hooked me up at the boot camp (along with a great USMC custom dice). 😀 Hopefully @madgolem can get these if he still needs them for his DAK force (although winning a Golden Button is probably a good indicator that they’re pretty awesome as they are)! 😀
SAGA ground into Dust and beardy dwarves . Sorry, I looked at that KS and where was the female options of which you spoke? The female dwarf in the banner looked a lot meaner than the craggy curmudgeons throughout the rest. And, maybe, that wasn’t the dwarf falling off the war pig, that was a style of dismount. After all, a pig can’t get much lower so that the rider could reach the ground with those stubby legs, so they roll to the side and the rider can just step off.
There’s a true objective for SAGA: sheeps and cows. Chickens, too. Round ’em, move ’em out, Rawhide!
Thanks for the mention, @lloyd! Yes, I did have a Hurricane IID, Stuka, and Messerschmitt BF-109E at the Boot Camp in desert colors. However, I would be remiss not to mention that so did @davebpg (Stuka and LendLease P40 Warhawk, I believe), in true 1:100 scale, and these were the ones that actually saw combat on the Boot Camp tables. 😀
And finally ~
Great interview segment with @bothi ! This is a really great guy to meet in person (even if he was they guy who finally knocked me out of the Sunday mega-game … hey, many others tried and failed, it took Bothi to get the job done)! 😀
He took me through a game this weekend (during the Alam Halfa Ridge campaign turns) that rules-wise, was one of my favorites. Night attack through a British minefield, just like the opening of the battle historically. It was a great example of how to use to the mission scenarios in the back of the book as a way to reflect what’s happening on the campaign map or in any other larger context (straight from history, for example).
Thanks for the kind words @oriskany . It was a great game (or both even at that) and it was a pleasure to meet you too. Glad I could show you some of the most enjoyable aspects of the game. And it get’s even better when you start creating your own more complex scenarios to reimagine historical battles.
happy sunday ! please ban Ben from next weekender if her will mention dwarfs again !
Still very interested in the potential of Saga rules and GW LoTR minis. Seems the army size is similar, also most LoTR armies have a version of elite, standard, and conscript troops. Would mostly just require that you identify a Saga faction with tactics similar to those of your LoTR faction,
Look no further. Here you can find more SAGA terrain for Viking + more on the way.
http://www.zenterrain.com/en_US/p/Norse-Hut/198
Also, was Loyd playing the role of Warren this week, with quotes like:
“That impressive erection over there…”
And
“I was banging out sheep…”
Let alone buffing those helmets.
I don’t know what you mean sometimes a hard buff and polishing of one’s helmet is the only way to achieve the desired outcome
Sometime it just needs a damned good rub.
after all, there’s nothing quite like a shiny helmet.
@lloyd Dune is a bit old for table top. I am sorry but you will never see it. all my younger (teenagers) friends dont know what you are talking about….
@radegast6, maybe they will come to appreciate of the team continues to be put together for a remake/reboot.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/809509-denis-villeneuve-confirmed-to-direct-legendarys-dune-remake/amp
That’s very interesting. Hope it will be good
wow, Im not fan of remakes but this series well deserve it !
@dignity – at 1:16:50 – You’re not far off on the chronology. You win the Oriskany “Silver Seal” of approval. 😀
1) El Alamein wrapped up in early November 1942
2) Almost at the exact same time, the Americans and British are landing more forces far, far to the west in North Africa, specifically Morocco and Algeria. There are actually some pretty interesting battles here between the Americans and the Vichy French (gives “blue-on-blue” a whole new meaning)
3) Monty’s 8th Army converges from the east (El Alamein in Egypt) with the Americans and British from the west (Morocco and Algeria, and pin down the Germans in Tunisia, starting in Dec 42 – Jan 43.
4) The Germans launch some pretty serious counterattacks in February 43 that really hammer the Americans, who are very green and inexperienced at this time, this is our first major land engagement of the war against the Germans (Kesserine Pass, Sidi Bou Zid, etc).
5) The Americans rally in March 43 with battles like El Guettar (made famous … and inaccurate … in the movie Patton). The British, meanwhile, are caving in Rommel’s defenses in the southeast along the Mareth Line (roughly, along the Tunisian / Libyan border).
6) Tunisia finally wraps up in May 43 – with the final surrender of all Axis forces in North Africa.
7) SICILY is next, which the Allies invade from the south in July 1943.
8) Finally comes Italy, which the Allies invade at Salerno, September 1943. This campaign will drag on through the rest of the war, right up until VE Day in May, 1945.
Meanwhile, as @bothi says (you win the GOLD seal of Oriskany approval 🙂 ), Barbarossa kicked off in June 1941, and war on the Eastern Front raged for almost four years non-stop until VE Day. Specifically during this time frame, when the Battles for El Alamein get started, we have the second great German offensive into Russia taking place (Case Blue: July-September 1942) – which leads immediately into the Battle of Stalingrad, which was raging at the exact same time as El Alamein. Stalingrad lasts a little longer, finally finishing in Jan 30-Feb 02 1943. By the time you get to the collapse in Tunisia and the end of the North African war, there are Manstein’s masterful counterattack at Kharkov in March 1943 (probably Germany’s last operational-scale victory of WW2, except for maybe Market Garden, depending on how you define “operational victory”), and the build-up for Kursk, largest land battle in human history, starting on July 5. 1943 (almost the same time the Allies are about to invade Sicily, on July 12 or 13, I believe).
So yes, in mid-war, a lot is going on at the same time. I didn’t even get into the pivotal battles in the Pacific ALSO going on at this exact same time like Guadalcanal and Kokoda Track in New Guinea.
Part of what makes mid-war so interesting! 😀
Happy Sunday – as it came up after I did go down – time to get a brew and settle in
Do a Joan bootcamp and I will find a flight to Northenden Ireland again
Damn autocorect
Joan Collins?
Like a Dynasty Bootcamp, all cowboy hats and big hair? 🙂
The Mustang made that whistle. It’s in the Warbird restoration series on Netflix 🙂
Happy sunday!
Great buildings @avernos
Thanks for the laughs at the end there @lloyd !
see you guys next weekend
Well as long as you are banging away at the sheep, you may as well buff a few helmets.
@lloyd you are going through “Phrasing” faster than I can type. ;P
Their hands are fine, but their heads are too big for you to handle? 😀
🙂
Or is banging away at sheet *how* you buff your helmet…?
Dune is in theory getting a remake, Brian Herbert (son of the author Frank Herbert and person in charge of the IP) tweeted last month that legendary pictures has signed Dennis Villeneuve to direct once he’s finished on the new Blade Runner. Personally I cant wait, I love the dune books and imho he’s a good director.
As far as Dune on the table top it’s tricky because the Dune RTS and the books are very different, like two properties set in the same universe. I think the RTS would suit mass battles a lot better because there are more faction (as someones already mentioned House Ordo aren’t actually in the books) and those factions have been filled out with loads of units. If you were looking to base something on the book I think either a narrative skirmish game of RPG would suit it better.
For miniatures there are a couple of nice options in various 15mm sci fi ranges such as:
Rebel minis sahadeen army for the fremen.
http://www.rebelminis.com/sahadeenarmy.html
Rebel miniatures Titan marines for the harkonnen.
http://www.rebelminis.com/timain.html
and Khurasan miniatures Evil midtech infantry in light armour for Sardaukar.
http://khurasanminiatures.tripod.com/15mmscifi-infantry.html
Its a project I’ve been wanting to have a look at for a while but haven’t got round to it. Maybe the new film will inspire me.
Personally I would set a game in the time of the prequel books. Sure the Artredies aren’t in power but all the factions have a chance, unlike after Paul ascends And gives a lot more scope for building a narrative that works well on the tabletop and doesn’t feel forced
Just been looking at the Dwarves Kickstarter, it does look like they were using the late lamented Mel Smith as their model for the female troops.
Maybe you want to put a eye on my Not “Dune 1084” Project 😉
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=97064.0
Am I right that cumal would be the main thing taken in raids? A female slave must be worth fourteen milch cows and people are easier to transport by ship.
Check out this on academia.com. I think this article discusses slave raids with some of the Ulster clans taking hundreds of people on raids. If I remember right the clans around Tyrone/Inishowen toped the list with 1,400 people.
“The Scale of Slave Raiding and the Slave Trade in Northumbria and Ireland, 7th-11th Centuries”
And of course Saint Patrick got taken on a raid in the fourth century 🙂
Did the Vikings take people when they raided Bangor Monastery – they must have done 🙁
Sorry – can I just state that the Academic Article did not have a ‘top raiders’ list, it was just my gamer-mind that assigned totals like point-values :-O
with the Mail Order release of the Genestealer hybrid heads sprue – I was thinking of doing a Dune themed desert cult.
With these bits from Mad Robot as still-suit bodies –
https://madrobotminiatures.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=9_19&products_id=213
a great funny show guys the new dwarfs look fantastic and are better than humans they can see in the dark which would be brilliant every winter for a start @lloyd & I think you may need some help about your sheep fetish? before it get to bad.
Thanks for an entertaining episode! Really enjoying the Saga stuff, so please keep it up! 😉
@lloyd. I cannot believe you grinded down all those shields with the lions from the fireforge set. Those are perfect for your Lannister themed Army for Kings of War! Or Saga!
@weland – I’ve only done a few test so far.
Dune on the Amiga is a blast from the past for me.
I hope you guys review “Rising Sun” — I know it is well funded but I still have no clue how it plays
Happy Sunday
I know you asked the question first but Justin I hope you did pennants for all those dropped minis.
Making a bunch of flags for all those Khador troops would probably be a good way to do penance for that.
But to be fair, @dignity was being assured that the magnets would hold.
Happy Sunday!
A Miniature game based of Frank Herberts Dune universe would be EPIC!!! They are hands down some of the best Sci-Fi books ever and if you haven’t read them you are doing yourself a disservice. If you are only familiar with the Lynch movie or the Sci-fi channel remakes(tho they show alot more of the universe) then I could understand you not knowing but there are plenty of factions and tons of lore for a miniatures game. I mean the 40k universe was heavily influenced by the dune Dune universe. Like does “the God Emperor of Mankind” or mutant “Navigators” that are the only ones that can pilot ships over long distances, sound familiar or how about the distrust and banishment of computers and thinking machines.
Tho unfortunately I don’t think we will see one any time in the near future. I believe the reason we don’t have a Dune miniature game(or any type of game) is the Frank Herbert estate is extremely protective of the IP, they wouldn’t even let FFG reprint the old Dune board game(a great game) so FFG had to change the theme of the game to their Twilight Imperium IP and rename it REX. At this time its just impossible to get a license deal for the IP maybe in the future, who knows.
Yeah i love the Dune – the board game:
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/121/dune
Did a copy on downloadable material. Thematic and hard to master. Long Game for first game.
Actually i don’t think we will ever see a dune – tabletop. As Allessio said Warlord and Co thought about it. But getting a license is hard to do and i don’t think it will not hav such a big fane-base as we might think atm.
Well told my 8yo son I was getting into Saga… I asked if he wanted an army, … so I said you can have Saxons, Normans, Vikings or as you live in Wales and are half welsh, what about the Welsh… his reaction. Vikings cos they have big Axes and are cool… who can argue with that…lol
well he’s right!
His historical knowledge stems from Horrible Histories so I think he is going to have fun with his Viking warriors .
I am going to simplify the game for him with cards to pic his forces. and keep the rules to the basics.
I think @dignity owes us a scientific explanation as to how magnets work. Maybe this could be the mind melt for an upcoming episode.
Also, it was great to see @lloyd back on and hosting, really great stuff with those sheep and boy howdy are we happy that Lance is keeping you on topic.
Happy….Well wednesday!
I agree with everyone about both a Saga show to both get a feel of the game and how run a campaign and to follow the conquest of you guys, and a Saga bootcamp. I really would like to get into Saga.