Weekender: Prodos Revolutionising Mini Casts & New Firestorm Taskforce
April 2, 2016 by dignity
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Spartan Games' Firestorm Taskforce
Lloyd sits down with Neil Fawcett of Spartan Games to talk about this new version of Firestorm called Taskforce where you get to scale down your games and fight out smaller skirmishes.
American War of Independence Series Starting Soon
Oriskany and Chrisg from the community have been working on a fantastic new article series exploring the history and gaming potential of the War of Independence.
We got a chat with Oriskany to see where this series is going and find out what's in store.
Prodos Games Interviewed
Prodos Games were also in the studio this week and we've got a sit down chat with Jarek about the future of Warzone, the development of Alien Vs Predator (AvP) and also a discussion on the Space Crusade line.
IndieGoGo Time
Last but not least we thought we'd direct you to a cool IndieGoGo from Kontraros Collectibles for their 54mm Mummy Queen. See what you think.
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First comment is mine, muhahahahahaaaa
I’m so proud :’)
Happy Weekend!
Solid minis, i think they look good!
Nice show guys, a good start for the weekend!
I did a little bit on one of my videos about the Prodos Games Miniatures, and I have to say I was pretty disappointed by Dakka Dakka, they tore them to shreds, saying that they were the worst kind of cheese cake models you could ever see. But you know I think there not that bad, I like them, Sisters are getting the short end of the stick and I would love to see more people doing female models, and it seems that if it is vaguely sexual it is smutty, but if it to bland it is too masculine. This is how you set up no win situations, good on Prodos for their effort. I wish you all the best of luck.
There is no doubt it’s tricky to get the balance right, it’s a very emotive and subjective thing and something that is very much at the front of our minds these days.
But I think ‘reactionism’ should be tempered, and folk should be more understanding that not every product is for them, and if there is something to be discussed or debated, take the time to be able to clearly articulate it – otherwise we just go round in circles 🙂
@warzan I agree, I just wish that some of the bigger companies would do more mix pack model kits…
To give an example, I love Games-workshop (GW) for conversion, I can make every kind of adventurer I want, from guys flying from the heavens with axes and great beards, or guys sneaking about looking all conspicuous. But the minute I want a lad… try doing up a lady and your options get reduced to wood elves, dark elves, and dark eldar… :/
I just want more lady models, I want more models where I can make the badass ladies of my RPG, and not have to do a special order to someone who will send me something metal. I just want more lady models, full stop, I will deal with what I can get.
P.S there is slightly more in the GW range than what I said the harlequins plastic, and some others, but to find a female kit is quiet difficult. And I know GW is not the be all and end all, I am just using them as the example because of how they are representative the market.
I believe we’re getting there, step by step, but it’s progress at least 🙂
I think Malifaux, Wolsung and Wild West Exodus have the right mix; they have a lot of awesome female miniatures. Dice Bag Lady does a good job of pulling together a lot of the female miniatures out there; I have her to thank for a number of interesting female Vikings in my Saga war band. However, I am distinctly lacking females in my Kings of War Goblin army.
@gri3elda That is true, but they aren’t as friendly to the conversion crowd, as most models are heroic scale and they are realistic.
Well I have some good news for you. Raging Heroes is almost entirely focused on women armies. There is a demand for them if you just look at the kickstarters they did.
What separates the models from Space Crusader and Raging Heroes is the flavor. RH models can and some are very sexy but they seem to still come off tasteful. The SC models at least in the two player box set just look tacky. They have full armour except for on the torso and groin. Obvious bikini gear is best for them. I think they could have done sexy women models but be smart about it.
I should state that I do support their choice to make models, art and such as they wish. Just as long as they keep in mind we all have a choice to buy or not buy that product. If the majority don’t like an item, they can always go back to the chalkboard and start again.
I truly do like the quality of the models they make. The new process they came up is great! I hope this will set a new trend with them and this casting goes into the other ranges.
It’s not just tricky it’s impossible when it comes to female miniatures I have noticed that there are far more varied attitudes and you simply cannot please them all. For example, most people have very little concern for how a miniature’s pose “portrays” a male character or how practical (or indeed, impractical) their outfit and equipment might be. When it comes to female miniatures we do and this is where the differences in opinion arise. It’s also worth pointing out that different opinions are not limited to specific genders either. Some people like sexy female miniatures, some people want female miniatures that are virtually indistinguishable from male miniatures and pretty much everything between the two extremes. If you make a miniature that is sexy you’re part of the problem, if you make a female miniature that looks serious it’s tokenism. There really is no way to actually produce miniatures that make everyone happy. Personally I judge every miniature on its own merits and have no preference as to whether my miniatures are stylised or realistic.
@onlyonepinman I think your spot on there. I think there is the same sort of concern with male models sometimes, but there is never the same sort of vocal outcry. But when it comes to female models, regardless of its quality, where it falls on the spectrum, there is always a vocal response. Sometimes that response is good, but for the most part it is bad. Here is what I remember Theodore Sturgeon’s line defending Science Fiction, ‘ninety percent of everything is crap’. If we want good female models we’re going to have to have bad ones as well.
there’s never outcry about males, because we don’t care that much about how males are respresented in media especially when compared to female representations.
There’s no real equivalent to the stripperific outfits for men either, which makes it impossible to do something that feels as bad as the boob armour for female models.
I suspect part of the reason is that there’s a genetic/biological function associated with the female upper body that isn’t present in the human male.
There is. The furry underpants Barbarian; every bit as impractical as stripper armour.
I’ve always liked the look of Firestorm. Taskforce makes it look a lot more tempting. I might try and “sell” this to my Sunday gaming folks. Off to the footie today, I’ll catch the rest later.
Happy weekend all!
Sorry that’s a reply to your Prodos post, @caladors. It’s early and I’m an idiot.
Send coffee
Np man, do you mean Firestorm Armada? I am afraid I am not following.
The lack of sleep gets to all of us.
Thanks for your understanding of my early morning comment blunder 🙂
I love the idea of Firestorm Armada, but Firestorm taskforce makes it more appealing – an easier game to sell to gaming group.
Yeah. I agree. I really like the looka nad feel of Firestorm. But it’s been hard to sell it to my group.
I picked up a fleet with the agreement a few others would too.
It’s currently sitting upstairs waiting being primed due to noone else biting. 🙁
In my mind there are a lot of reasons to tear the initial showing of Prodos Space crusade to shreds.
A decent sized company in this cottage industry doing a 40k clone and one that looks like a porn parody at that.
Prodos for all their numerous faults make some cracking minis, but these seemed lazy and vulgar.
And this isn’t boob fear, show me a mini of a sucubus or one of the GW demonettes mentioned in the interview and I have no problem with them being naked. What I have issue with is that these women wearing heavy armour are then wearing a bikini!
Even if you don’t think their vulgar you’ve got to see that it’s just stupid design.
These “PG13 minis” are better and you’ll see the response appropriately change.
But their still a decently sized company doing a 40k clone, surely Prodos have the talent and financial stability to do something original?
(This is all my opinion if your opinion is differs that’s cool, means wer not all robots)
I get what your saying, I do like a lot of the PG-13 versions more, except for the Chaos side, I think they make sense in a way if your following the logic? My fear is more this, we are going to have two camps, the Kingdoms Death porn star models, who are beautifully sculpted for every fantasy…, and then the super realistic models where it is no fun no time, we are at war all the time.
We allow men to have stupid designs all the time, a classic case is Kharn from 40k his model has stood the test of time, there is nobody giving an out cry about him or a whole lot of models like it. However, when a woman is put in a similar position, things become different…
Additionally with a lot of the ladies leaving the front line, like the sisters, we have a distinct lack of availability, in the core of my response to @warzan my key thing that I bemoaned is this, I wanted to have available lady models. Not be exclusively be looking at 230 dollar @ raging heroes. People are aloud to be stupid with male models, but not with female models? That seems wrong, and it is that kind of thinking that keeps me from having plastic kits at ready hand for all of my conversion needs.
Also if we judge based off stupid design… I am sorry nobody is aloud to play 40k anymore, or star wars… or a number of other things we love.
Re chaos ones – I’m there with you in part, Their demons etc
Re Khan – sorry but I don’t see the comparison with the space crusades bikini marines? In fact I can’t think of any male power armoured mini running around in similar attire, e.g power armour arms, boots but just in a banana hammock for rest of him. Now that’s a mental image I’ll never be able to get rid of. 🙂
Re female minis – Raging heroes(close to the line but don’t go over it for me), Vic Minis, Hasslefree are all making sci fi figs of women which are great and don’t go into the vulgar territory for me.
There should be more female minis but these should be done right. The shield wolf plastic norsewomen should be a great resource for conversion bits btw and the female survivors from warlord.
Re stupid design – I’m talking about the gigantic shoulder pads/ arms which nothing to support the weight on the rest of the body, and then no armour covering the vulnerable torso area. Prodos are saying it’s not needed as theres force fields but if there’s force fields why do they need the rest of the giant armour plates? That’s what I’m talking about with stupid design.
Not that marines thighs are too small, the lemon Russ wouldn’t be able to load the gun in that turret. Someone would def cut something off with a lightsaber etc
Chuck me a PM if you want to continue this discussion, otherwise wer going to take over the entire comments section 🙂
I’ve been a fan of Prodos stuff for awhile. But not gotten any yet. That’ll change at the end of the month when I host a Warzone Boot Camp (idea stolen from your good selves) with a few friends!
Well, I’ve just found something else I really want to paint. Really nice looking, detailed models.
Those sculpts looks fantastic
Most epic wolf riders ever!
happy weekend.
them minis are begging me to paint them 😉
There a lot of colors in the world, not just browns, blacks and greys. Cheers to the colorful gaming board!
Is it just me, or is an hour and fifty minutes beginning to look a bit of a slog to get through? I do like the various interviews etc, but why not set them up as separate episodes and keep the weekender leaner with links to othger parts that are easdier to swallow in chunks across a Saturday? It’s not the content, it’s the packaging. Other’s thoughts either way welcomed as replies…
Technically it’s alot more work (post making etc), more rendering, more into making, more uploading, more annotating, more branding etc
Or we could push a bit of the work towards viewers and let them skip a bit with a single click. 🙂
In an ideal world it would be different, but work load and also the complexity of YouTube’s algorithms for highlighting content… Push it out of our reach at the moment 🙂
I look forward to the longer shows. More value for money baby, yeah! 😀
I’m really looking forward to @oriskany & @chrisg doing the AWI thing 😎
Prodos’ explanation seems believable, guess most of it was/ is lack of communication (as nearly always). In any case I think I’ll give AVP a try at some stage.
I have been intrigued by the Firestorm Armada models since I first saw them about 4 years ago. I like the looks of the new optional rules.
The American War of Independence series sounds great, I’m really looking forward to it, thanks guys!
Check out the last bit of the article for some Period Tactics Justin. http://www.beastsofwar.com/muskets-tomahawks/french-indian-war-part-two-defending-fort-necessity/
Looking forward to the series Oriskany you’re one of the most knowledgeable people when it comes to the Revolution I know and 6mm gaming might just push me over the edge to try it
It has been a fantastic week of Infinity, now for the Weekender
Happy weekend
OK guys thanks for another show. A brave choice giving Prodos so much time! It’s good to give them the oportunity to talk. I am generally underwhelmed by Prodos though. There are too many other games and models makers out there to support without all the “Prodos issues”.
But again well done for giving them space to put forward there story of the events.
I’m going to need to look more into this new Firestorm game, I have the starter set from Armada and love the look of the Terran ships, but the rules got a little confusing, so the game got moved to the side. I also didn’t see anything wrong with the original Space Crusade models, but that’s just my opinion, if you don’t like something don’t get it. My ex girlfriend liked playing D&D with a female barbarian I had painted up for her.
The Infinity table is amazing! Off to paint some of my terrain!
It was cool!
Mummy mummy queen yes!!have a thing for undead and Egyptian stuff.may try and convince significant other that this might be next birthday pressie…you never know.
The quality of single-cast miniatures is increasing pretty quickly. When Lloyd shows off the models at the end of the show, they look like very sharp casts.
Any chance we can get some coverage of Deadzone 2.0 or Mercs 2nd edition? BoW did some great stuff for those games a year or two back.
Happy weekend guys!
Good stuff from Prodos hopefully we will see them at Daffcon next year
The AWI article series sounds very interesting. Like Lloyd, I’m not terribly familiar with the period and looking forward to the articles as a starting point. Let’s see if that ends up in pile of lead on my painting table someday :).
Another excellent show – nice to see company that had problems on Kickstarter be brave enough to come on and explain issues may not make everyone happy but at least they are making the effort – think people are forgetting what Kickstarter backer is actually doing its not same as preorder ……
That resin process is going to be a huge game changer.
Morning all. Taskforce is sounding pretty good!
Those Prodos minis look really good. I’d be very happy to paint some of those.
great weekender as always
Well great show as always guys, and yeah Justin I really agree with you, that mummy queens base is where my eye was drawn to first, but the rest of her is good too.
Happy Weekend!!! Wow almost a week of awsome prizes guys. Do you have a prize tomorrow for 8 days of give aways or do you count the Adepticon prize for that?
Great competition – Good luck to all 😉
Perfect timing, our club has just started a AWI project – I’ve painted 6 horses so far 🙂
Nice to see Oriskany on the weekender! that guys been one of the only people to be supportive of my own projects, so has my sincere gratitude for that. Always been impressed by his historical work too – the level of detail he goes into is pretty insane!
Single cast! If they can ramp up their production line and / or license the manufacturing process, Prodos is going to have their future secured with that one. Although the real challenge will be to secure and keep enough high profile clients before the Chinese giants manage to retro-engineer and duplicate the process. If Prodos would stick a ” made in the EU” (or local variant
i love the cheese in the crusaders, mmmmmmmmmmmm cheese
It’s good to see Jarek come out and talk about the situation with AvP. It’s not going to placate everybody of course, and for people who dont have their pledge yet there is really no distinction between reason and excuse.. but at this point most of those people are beyond swaying; Whether they burn their pledge in a fit of rage or simply flog it on eBay, rightly or wrongly those people are always going to be set against Prodos. Scars indeed, and being able to put the AvP kickstarter behind them is surely the only way for the company to move forward.
As for their other new product range, when Jarek first announced that the Space Crusade (rs?) board game would come with single piece plastic miniatures I was initially disappointed because I really like their current resin casts and I was planning to pick up a copy of the game. However, now that I have seen those one piece casts I have no reservations.
I don’t know about anyone else, but If I was ever going to put together a Chaos Space Marine force I would start with Nyx and the Maras!
Nyx and the Maras? Sounds like a band..
Great Weekender!
Looking forward to the AWI articles.Its nice to be reminded of the wide spectrum of war gaming scales.I like the way Oriskany and ChrisG have approached this ,in a ‘top down’ way.
If I haven’t already had started with so many systems the Space Crusade would be near the top on my list.
Really not sure what to think about Prodos anymore these days and yes, that’s coming from a AvP Kickstarter backer who is yet to see a single piece from the project. A lot of the shenanigans with Fox is quite understandable, but boy has Prodos been awful at communicating with the people who helped to raise the fund for the entire product line.
There would have been a lot less anger and venomous reactions out there if they would actually respond to emails, messages etc. It’s really a shame as Prodos has done a lot of good pushing the industry along when it comes the resin casting and supporting other companies.
And if by magic, I suddenly got a ‘your Kickstarter pledge is getting partially shipped’-message. Which is actually just the first wave, with tons of people online saying they have yet to receive anything. It’s just such a garbled mess at this point……………
Happy Saturday
@warzan I doubt that most backers would have had an issue with prodos getting the product to retail as it has, if the lies hadn’t come in from prodos.(and they are lies)
-They said backers would be sent their items before retail, then Sent items to retail
-They then said nothing further will go to retail, while having their sales teams calling stores to get further orders and then sending them to stores.
There’s a lot of other issues here from a backers point of view that I won’t go into further here but anyone wanting to join the victim support group 🙂 can do so here -http://www.beastsofwar.com/groups/sci-fi-gamer-town-square/forum/topic/calling-avp-kickstarter-backers/?topic_page=1&num=15
I don’t do kickstarters and so am oblivious to the drama, but what the guy describes is just the reality of bring a product to market. I think the biggest issue with kickstarter is that people tend to think of it like a preorder system in an online shopping cart, something it most certainly is not. It is an investment vehicle.
Having said that, those one piece minis are very impressive, they have the flex of reaper’s bones but look like they hold finer detail much better, and don’t seem to suffer the wobbly thin parts in the same way (that spear would almost certainly be a crescent shape if it were bones).
As one of the backers I can say the real issue was as Jarek mentioned, they’re engineers not PR people, and as a result the communications between them and the backers has been abysmal. Yes there have been delays out of their control, fair enough, so why didn’t they tell us that as soon as they knew it? Backers would be far more appreciative of the situation if they were fully informed – it’s the radio silence that has annoyed a lot of people. (The endlessly shifting deadlines didn’t help but knowing the real info would have helped appease that)
I think Jarek was very brave to step up and admit these things in the interview. I finally got my first wave of stuff last week, the minis look good, but after all this time my interest has waned somewhat so haven’t decided what to do with it. My initial interest and reason for backing was more in the wargame side as an alternative to 40k, but again news on the ruleset that seems to have gone very quiet….
Space Crusade looks interesting, it was my first foray into the 40K world as a teenager . So I may take a closer look at that game.
I’m finally getting my AvP pledge. Yay! And those single piece casts are technically amazing!
Those Varg riders are pretty cool, as are the space crusade women.
I don’t have a problem with nude or topless miniatures in and of themselves, especially when they’re well sculpted and to the correct proportions, male and female, because I find a lot of the reaction to the nudity to be based in a very American prudery. Where the problem exists is when the poses suggest passivity or inferiority on the part of women miniatures, ie the difference between the male and female Storm giant in Reaper Bones.
Space Crusade looks interesting!
I really like the AVP miniatures by prodos, and some of Warzone as well. The only thing that strikes me with these guys is the way they do things. AVP ‘boardgame’ rules were a disaster, lacking of theme and of poor quality. Never played a game more booring. When it comes to Warzone – the game looks pretty neat in design, but this time some miniatures are just bad. A sherry on the cake – Prodos do not paint their miniatures as lately – but use photoshop which is clearly visible. Ok – they look great in the pictures, but that is a totally different product than the one you will get. Painted 3d imagges instead of real miniatures? Give me a break…
Loving those minis.
Happy weekend Weekenders!
What a long but a fascinating show!
Spartan Games ships look class! I am now split between their game and Full Thrust.
@oriskany and @chrisg pulled it off! War of Independence is what really interests me. I am really interested in history of the USA and its culture so I am waiting impatiently for Monday! Thumbs up guys!
Prodos games AvP is something I want to jump into but sadly I know I won’t have anyone to play it on a regular basis. Yet, their single cast minis are fabulous if you’re into Space Crusade as of now.
Very cool Weekender. The Infinity Week was instrumental too; getting back into the game afer a while … 🙂
Great show this week,
How rigid are those prodos one piece casts, that’s what I want to know
I assume this Space Crusade is no relation to the old boardgame of the same name? I had a lot of fun with that one back in the day.
It’s a re-imagining/follow up.
The licence was available so they took it – I hope this means they will keep to the spirit of the original
Wauw, what a fantastic show. Only have seen half of it. But want to say it gives me too much inspiration so far. The Prodos miniatures are very beautiful. I love one piece miniatures. I am a player and painter, not a builder. So much detail in one piece. I really like the feel of the Martian Banshee Line Breakers. Nice looking unit. But I am a big fan of the Mercurian Maculators, it is how a space ork should look like. Very feral and warlike with a nice shoota.
But the Infinity goodness is also very beautiful. I think to start painting my Caledonians this evening again. The table is fabulous. As is the scenery for Malifaux, great feel!
Firestorm Taskforce. A space game played in 30 minutes. This is what I am looking for. A good lunchbox game or maybe after a bigger game of something else. I think it has a big pick&play feel.
Ow and American Independence, nothing for me, I thought…but again too much inspiration. I deffinitily have to dig this out.
As I sad before, too much in one show. Tomorrow I will see the other half. Thanks guys for the great show.
It was nice to see someone from Prodos in the show. Warzone is an awesome game!
Wow, really enjoyed this weekender.
I think Prodos have done a lot to redeem themselves in their segment and have restored my (and I assume a few others) faith in their ability to lead this industry to some really cool places. Those single piece miniatures are still messing with my brain and I can’t work out how they are doing it so I’m going with sorcery and magic 🙂
If nothing else it was nice to see Jarek not looking like he is at his wits end. Last time we met he looked ragged and run to the edge living on energy drinks.
@warzan Clever viewers already skip the content that doesn’t float their boat – but I’m sure you already know that from analytics anyway 😛
The one piece Space Crusade minis are awesome, I mean what the hell! Prodos does a killer job, they are amazing.
I would love to win those great prodos minis, so please count me in for them.
Really looking forward to the AWI article series. A buddy and I are trying to get into this confilct right at the moment and are still discussing what rules and what scale to use.
Great show guys, thanks!
The interview with Prodos was the main thing I watched this Weekender for and it did not disappoint. Certainly gave me a better understanding of the problems they encountered with AvP and the thinking behind the PG18 version of Space Crusaders. Thanks for asking the difficult questions in the interview. Much appreciated.
Kickstarter sounds like nightmare, I feel bad for prodos, but when he said “We didn’t inform the public about this situation because it was not relevant and we were working hard trying to fix it” I think that was the wrong approach. Many backers just wanted a simple one line explanation about what was going on, which they gave eventually but by then the wild speculation as to what went wrong and the bad blood had the damage already done.
The mercurial orcs are very nice. They are actually much bigger than you think looking at the image. I will definately have to get a set even though I play bauhaus.
Those Prodos models do look seriously tasty
great hearing about prodos, the single mini casting looks sweet
Well I did theAWI with him and hes sold it to me too. LOL. Jim I have to say makes working on anything together a real pleasure. If any of you want or have an article you want to do contact Ben and go from there. I will be showing how to paint the 6 mm stuff alongside some other bits that will run alongside the articles themselves.
Good hunting
Chris G
It’s always nice to see alternatives to GW minis, especially as nice as Prodos ones.
Well after a friday night of playing large version of Axis and Allies eating pizza and chicken and drinking beer and finishing at 4am, and now on a epic journey to Swansea and back you guys picked the right time to do a two hour show:-)
@oriskany and @chrisg looking forward to you AWI series, love the fact that you have tried to set the context and un blue v red the war. It like many wars tend to be simplified to the basics when i reality it was not just local influences but world influences. I am certainly no expert in the period and look forward to reading up on it:-) Especially love the fact you are doing 6mm 🙂 @dignity 6mm are not hard to paint and basing is so so simple:-) i dare you to give it a go:-)
Really liking the new firestorm armarda ships from Spartan, if i had not already gone credit card deep into Dropzone and Dropfleet I would so go for this… Hmm how about Spartan and Hawk team up and do a crossover…lol
The Infinity table is so inspiring.
I would like to paint some Prodos miniatures. I think some of them could be very useful in weird ambient sungeon crawlers like Shadows of Brimstone.
Thanks for the segment on our Infinity table, as I mentioned in the forum post it was a group effort to put it all together. We’re also really hoping to get to Salute 2017 if we get the opportunity to do so, just hoping we get picked for a gaming table 🙂
Good show, one I’ve been waiting to see for some time now, being a Backer. I think the interview has gone a long way to making some piece. Im just hopeing I get my stuff this time and it doesn’t get sent to Jamaica again!
Ardnut’s Infinity Table, that`s one heck of a gaming table and i for one would like to have a game on it. Very well done @Ardnut…………………………
Customeeple Terrain – Creepy Carnival : A nice set of terrain, it would work with in the “Batman” system and as we know………..all “Terrain” can be used with almost any gaming system out there.
Dark Age : Now there`s a force i would game with, if i was going to play Dark Age, but alas i don`t. On the other hand, there`s nothing stopping me getting a few of the figure`s and making a small diorama with them.
Fire Storm Taskforce : Now i like the idea of this, quick game`s with easy to get to grips with rules (Forty page mini rule book, just how i like it). I can see me playing this against my grandson, but first of he`s gonna get to play the walking dead game “All out War” once i receive it through the post that is.
Prodos Games : I`m in love, “Space Crusade Ladies”. This is one thing at one time back in the day which was lacking ( IMO ), and which i`m happy to see gaming company`s finally putting right……………………….I`m due to meet up with some friend`s at the end of the month to have our version of a “Boot Camp”, a Warzone boot camp none the less. Now i`ve gone for the “Dark Legion”, don`t know why just felt a tug when i was looking at the faction`s. Now i`m liking the new mini`s into day`s weekender, there all great pieces, but why did they have to have “Scott`s on Wolves”. Now i`m tempted to go with them as a starter force to build on, so many great mini`s on today`s show and not enough space to store them…………..
Roll on tomorrow`s show, as i know my shiny mini list will grow bigger…………….
Good for you! Here’s a tip – if you like the idea of the majority of your line troops being Undead Legionnaires (as opposed to the more capable but IMHO less thematic Necromutants) get yourself a Nephrite lord as soon as possible. He is decent enough in combat and pretty handy against vehicles.. but he is EXTREMELY helpful when it comes to getting your space zombies up the field. In fact if you upgrade an Undead Legionnaire to a Necromutant squad leader and then attach the Nepharite to the squad as well, and give him the Cleasing of the Void power.. that will be an extremely resilient unit!
This game looks interesting. I am sad to say this is the first I have seen of it.
Fire storm looks cool , I may that a try .
I think I prefer the werewolf queen myself, but all three are gorgeous.
Those look like lovely miniatures and single piece … Wow!!!!
@oriskany and @chrisg Nice to see an AWI series Maybe you should have pointed out the 20mm figures you used are soft plastic . Irregular miniatures do a nice range of 20mm metals and Adler also do 6mm along with Baccus. Pendraken also do a lovely range of 10mm as well
The figures on the front page look nice but I do wonder if sculptors try and put to much detail on figures these days
At last something interesting from Prodos. I hope that models will be fine crafted without mistakes
Nice mini’s from Produs, sweeet
Might be starting a sci-fi RPG soon and those Warzone minis’ll sure come in handy
interested to hear more about the single cast minis from prodos.
Absolutely cracking weekender. Well done and not a pony in sight!
Those Prodos minis look great. I already have the pre-order in for their PG-13 Space Crusade release.
Those one piece miniatures are very impressive.
Those Prodos one piece models are insane at a technical point of view. Don’t look bad neither. Now if only someone made a model producing technique that meant you never had to clean mold lines in any form ever again would probably make me cry tears of joy!!!
Wow, thanks to @lloyd and @dignity for the great interview and segment on our upcoming American War of Independence series. And thanks to everyone who has expressed interest, we hope the series doesn’t disappoint.
Really nice to hear from Prodos. Love the miniatures, still waiting for my AvP to arrive, but this restores my confidence in the company.
The PG Space Crusade figures look wonderful.
great show guys
Whether I win them or not, I will have those prodos models!!!! They look amazing!
Absolutely amazing.
I am so looking forward to the article on AWI, I know it is going to be well written
With regards to the Prodos minis, I do think that the 18+ minis look a little silly with the armoured limbs and near naked torsos. I have no problems with the nudity – deamonettes and amazon warriors are fine in my book – but the going to all the trouble to armour up the limbs whilst leaving the torso bare does create a bit of a disconnect.
That said, I’m fully with Warren in that Prodos should be free to make such minis. If someone doesn’t like them, they should just not buy them (rather than try to ban them as the SJW camp is want to do).
Firestorm Taskforce sounds good.
adepticon and a weekender to much goodness
I’m still ambivalent about Prodos. They did too much wrong in the last years. This will be hard work to convince me.
I like the Prodos style both PG13 and adult. Having the choice can only be a good thing.
Wow, Prodos at least impressed me!
one piece
One Piece
ONE PIECE FIGURES
wow wow wow
Space Crusade
Happy weekend, everyone!!
wow, the miniatures for Space Crusade look Insanely good 🙂
Prodos may have bad PR because they are run by engineers, but on the plus side it seems that they can invent an amazing new casting process using their engineering knowledge.
The video keeps stalling and havent been able to watch a t all yet but Prodos announced new process for resin spincasting last year is this the same thing that’s on the show?
WOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
If only Spartan games was supporting all its games the same way..
Of the historical wargame settings, I wasn’t really interested in ACW. I knew that the “Americans” had British in them, indeed it is Britain that a lot of them originated from! Us Britons didn’t land/invade the new world and instantly became an American with an American accent lol! I always hated that stupid stance in the movies when American’s say “we kicked your ass in 1776”, as if they were all full on Americans of today, as is made evident in the video that they were not). But now I am very interested in watching @oriskany‘s videos to learn more about the war and who was involved (only fairly recently did I learn more nations were in involved). So I’ll look out for them. 🙂
I think if Prodos had just said to the backers that they had delays caused by Fox wanting to approve all their designs, then people would’ve been much more understanding about what was going on, rather than being kept in the dark. Perhaps this video being made a year ago would’ve helped? Who knows eh? I would loved to have backed AvP but am glad I didn’t have the funds for it. Waiting for the Dust KS was bad enough.
What is Space Crusaders actually about? I had the original game too, and it was the first miniatures game I ever played and it got me into 40K. So what is this game about, where are the men, why isn’t it a men and women soldiers game? Did women invent the technology and arms to fight whatever it is they had to fight because the men couldn’t? What is this games’ universe setting? There’s no info on the Prodos website and none here in the video to sell the game. I vaguely remember playing the original game; I remember the captain command modules and the cool artwork, cards etc, and the fluff written about the 40K universe gripped my imagination. What makes this incarnation of Space Crusade a good game to play? I see grey renders and a deck of cards on a board on the website, and concept art, and that’s it. There is mention of the board depicting a lost temple and a forgotten city, but that’s pretty vague and bland sounding. What is the game about? Have all the men died in some hell storm from outer space for plot reasons and it’s up to the women to take the fight to the demon things? Is this meant to get people interested in playing Warzone? If so, why isn’t it immediately apparent that this is a Warzone based game as Space Crusade was based in 40K? And if it’s a completely different setting and range of minis, why doesn’t the website say so? I don’t get it. So far it just looks like a female version of anything 40K, but for no reason whatsoever. Explain the game’s story please!
The Space Crusaders minis look better unpainted, I don’t think those paint schemes do the miniatures justice; they look quite pallid and dreary. I’m surprised by the all-in-one casting process they’ve developed though. How easy is it to paint as opposed to painting shields or guns separately and then glueing them on afterwards? Can you paint the parts without splashing paint onto the adjacent areas? Maybe BoW can try that out when they get their samples?
Needless to say, don’t put me down for the competition. I’m gonna wait until Salute to get a bunch of minis that I will take ages to get round to painting then, rather than deny someone who wants to win these.:D
The Warzone stuff on the other hand, is awesome, if a little cartoony in the wolve’s faces. Again, it would be nice to read about the models on the website, as nothing is explained beside each photo of the models (unless it’s all in the rulebook?).
Firestorm Taskforce looks mint, really interesting, original ideas and sounds like fun. I hope there will be a proper video about Space Crusaders like the one with Spartan Games. 😀
Whoa! That is a huge wall of text I just wrote, bloody hell! lol 😀
Maybe they weren’t allowed to talk about the approval process? Certainly not if by talking about it they ended up putting blame on Fox (even though the delay was caused by Fox) because you have to keep the license holder sweet.
Yeah, that’s probably true. Shame though, as that really aggravated the backers (almost wrote bakers lol).
Dough!
Awesomesouce!
Best part of this show is the kick-starter rundown. I love hearing about all these new games and miniatures coming out.
I hope I’m not too late to the party…
well its nice that prodos listened to the feedback over the space crusade minis and designed alternates with a bit more practical looking armour , not against cheesecake as such just the armour design doesn’t make sense
Always wanted to buy a copy of Space Crusade, but could never find one in the US. And the ebay prices are just too crazy high. I had never seen Imperial Fists before which got me started collecting them. Will probably pick up the new, skimpy outfits, version when it is released, or hop on the KS in advance.
Some lovely minis and games this week
The insight from Prodos into their tooling processes is fascinating. It’s great to see companies innovating.
Oh well, it’s a change to listening to people whine about Infinity, Kingdom Death, Warhammer, anything at all that doesn’t suit their narrow viewpoint of how a model should look.
Great show ^^
Have more games than time [like the majority of war/board gamers]. Those Warzone minis tho! Even if they weren’t the last straw in my [diminishing] resistance to getting into WZR, I could easily bend the time/space continuum to get them on the table in any number of sci-fi skirmish games!
great show the American indi war sounds intresting
Scots on giant wolves, FREEDOM!!!
Lot of lies from prodos! Still don’t know why not everybody has their games yet, not telling about all the addons. Wave 2 or wave 3? And then You got the famous space ship.
Than doesn’t fit inside a APC . Hope I can get all my stuff at salute.
Cool looking models
Ahhh space crusade, wonder if they’ll make some necrons eh.. I mean chaos androids as well.
I really like the prodos models – will be getting space crusade
Nice to see another company doing great looking miniatures!!
@warzan & co.-
It’s not just a case of AvP backers not understanding the process. Not a case of Prodos Games doing everything they can & *backers gunna hate!* no matter what.
It’s the [at the very least] misinformation parts that got me mad. It’s the fact of things like-
Prodos kept saying over & over that backers would get their stuff before retail release. Even up to 2 weeks before release they were saying that. Then as the questions of *Has anyone gotten their KS rewards yet?* started piling up, nothing from Prodos. Then release hits & it’s obvious that no backers had gotten their stuff. So, the whole month before retail release, they let backers think games were on the way. But PG knew full well they hadn’t shipped to us. Certainly a lie of omission.
Then they flat out lied that they wouldn’t restock stores ’til backers got their rewards! As customers & synpathetic stores started posting that they had gotten restocks [& at least 2 flgs said Prodos actually called them to offer restocks!]. It only came out in a fit of very poor public relations by PG that yes, they were restocking flgs’ because they had no money to ship to backers.
& there were several more instances of *omission* at least, willful misinforming often & at worst, outright lies over the several months after retail release. The whole time all we wanted was the truth about the state of our KS rewards.
It was bad enough that it was delayed so long & all that. But to add lies of omission, misinformation & even caught red handed in a few outright lies on top of the delays?
All the probs on their end, fine. I coulda & woulda understood that. It was the willful misinformation, the lies of omission & the outright lies that they pulled on us for many months before, during & after retail release that fueled the negativity, ill will & general discontent from a lot of people.
So Prodos Games is reaping what they’ve sown. Its not a simple case of backers not understanding *the process*, of Prodos Games not being able to do more to soothe frayed nerves, of general unreasonable expectation from backers. PG misled, misinformed & outright lied on more than a few occasions. & that’s where & why they’re taking the hits they have!
[& their public interactions & responses to the criticism & vitriol was incredibly unprofessional as well.]
Blaster was here…
As a fellow backer I agree entirely. I fully understand the complications of Kickstarter and how delays can creep in. I’ve been part of a few that have delayed, but the thing that sets prodos apart from the rest is that none of the rest of the companies actively went out of their way to lie to their backers.
When they hit a problem, be that with a supplier, design process issues or delays for whatever reason, the first thing they did was update the backers with the reasons. Prodos on the other hand tried to pretend we didn’t exist as far as information was concerned.
Frankly I don’t give a crap that it took two years to get the first part of my order, I don’t care that I still don’t have the whole thing. The only thing I care about is the fact that Prodos has been entirely cowardly in their dealings with us as backers. They lied outright and by omission.
If they had come to the backers up front and said, “here’s the problem, here’s how we intend to fix it, we’re sorry”, then that would have been a far better way of handling it. Sure they would still have some people decrying their actions, but it would be a far smaller number.
have Prodos delivered everything to the AVP backers yet?
Nope. Still waiting. I have received nothing – not a single wave (on a hefty pledge). I’ve emailed twice about it, never received a reply. And very recently we have received an email saying that if we buy something from their store (and pay for shipping) they will ship our KS pledges… So they want more money, because obviously they have absolutely none, or very little funds left, to distribute the pledges.
Love the warzone sculpts.
Very good show. If I was going to get into a space battles game I’d seriously think about Firestorm. The Prodos models look fantastic. Keep up the great work.
Well that certainly is one side of the AVP story.
At least if I win, I will get *something* from Prodos, because it will actually come from BOW.
Looking forward to Mondays for some inspiration for Muskets & Tomahawks
Thanks for another jampacked show guys!
Glad you guys gave Prodoss some time and for asking about AVP, although i must admit i was gonna skip that part on the count i still have Nothing from my KS pledge and i tired of waiting… Glad i stuck around though (still a bit miffed but…). Great job on those warzone minis
Solid one piece minis look fantastic, definitely pick some of these up just to paint. Will look into the game at some point as I do love the original Space Crusade
Another great show guys 🙂
Firestorm Taskforce is an awesome game. Got my starter and expansion fleets last week. It’s nice and quick and being able to magnetize the models out of the box is amazingly helpful. I have some Warzone KS models and they are the worst resin I’ve ever come across. So as cool as the Prodos stuff looks i’ll pass.
Looking to win some WZR and space crusade!
Don’t care for the scantily clad ladies in gaming for myself.. but to each his/her own. More of the realistic armor is my cup a tea.
I think the best part of the episode was the War of Independence bit. More of a fan of the war of 1812 — which if you have a chance to play the game from Academy games, you should ;D.
I’ve been waiting on seeing the Mercurian Maculators ever since I found out about the line, love the Death before Dishonor cover art for it. The other minis they have are pretty cool too. can’t believe I could win them.
I gotta say, I am super tempted by the Vampire Queen version of that model.
Wonderful minis.
Those one piece Space Crusade figures are awesome. I guess I’ll be looking for the game to show up at the LGS. Add the Firestorm Taskforce game to that list. Shame, though, that I don’t care for some of the pairings in the starter sets. I’d prefer the Directorates and the Terrans.
But if I win the contest, could I trade some of the WarRes minis for the more risque versions of the Space Crusader?
Boobs or no boobs I don’t care either way but the new casting material I’m very excited about, that kind of quality on a one piece, that is mind blowing
Interesting to hear the Prodos excuses rather than read them and some of it makes sense but I’m not sure I believed all of it. I would not trust them with my money on any Kick Starter or pre-order.
Happy weekend. Post for the win.
Looking forward to the AWI articles. Also those Space Crusade Minis looked good, single piece casts that look that good are worth it in my book.
This has been done to death at this point but for what it’s worth here’s my 2 cents on the Space Crusade Boob Marines.
I’m going to call a spade a spade. Miniature wargamers are comprised in the vast majority of men. That’s a fact, there are women in the hobby, but their numbers are tiny by comparison. So in my view these models were designed wilfully to appeal to nerds who want to paint model breasts because…beeewbs!.
I have no objection to bare breasts on a miniature where it makes sense to do so. I actually like the old deamonette miniatures referenced in the video, they make sense in context because Slanesh’s whole thing is seduction, excess and deviancy. The model therefore makes sense in the universe and setting. There are even a few pin up models that I think are nicely done for the setting they are designed for.
But these Space Crusade boob marines are stupid. Jarek’s explanation that they don’t cover the vital areas because….magic… is so weak I actually rolled my eyes when I heard him say it. If they are protected by magic fields why bother with the cumbersome armour at all? And even if you accept that, why does that suddenly mean they go bikini clad instead of wearing a shirt, or a robe or something underneath? This is just nonsense whipped up as a cheap excuse for the unnecessary boobage. They wanted minis with their baps out, simple as that. The good guys cover up with a bikini but the bad guys put everything on show.
If you give me a group of amazonian warriors in revealing breastplates, I’ll take them on the basis that this at least fits with the theme you are going for, but these heavily armoured figures that go out with their vital organs fully exposed and then tell me that they are protected by magic? Get lost, seriously. You did this to appeal to a certain base instinct in the majority of the target market, but failed to realise that that isn’t actually all that appealing to most of us. It’s sad.
Anyway, different strokes for different folks, but at least own it and don’t try to feed me your nonsense explanations of magic.
My trust in Prodos has increased now. All companies should show their faces if they mess up to calm down the masses 🙂 Thanks
I’m really glad Prodos chose to give the option of having different models for their Space Crusade game. The (admittedly digitally rendered so far) sculpt quality of them was great before but I found it a little difficult to reconcile them with the premise for the game what with them missing specifically the key areas of their armour! The new sculpt concepts are fantastic though, I’ll definitely be picking up a couple of them for character models come pay day. And if the game is any good, who knows, maybe that too!
Great space ships and mint fantasy mini’s- love it!
What an absolute cracker of a show! loved the idea of Spartan producing a faster version of SFA. It’s a great universe and great models. faster play could make it a contender against Star Wars Armada for my space battling time.
Good to see Panzer Leader on James’ bookshelf. That was one of the first wargames I ever bought.
@nooblord – PANZER LEADER FOR LIFE! 😀 It’s funny, in the XLBS they were talking about the “Cult of the New” and how player’s don’t stick to old games anymore. This game game out in 1974, I’ve been playing since 1983 – and still play it today.
I’ll probably ask that those games be put in the casket with me.
I’m great fan of Firestorm it cool with this new rules I think I will try it, and these guys from Prodos still make me surprised with their miniatures very good quality 🙂
Loving the look of the prodos models, will be getting avp soon enough with some add ons.
Looking forward to getting my hands on Taskforce.
I like Prodos’ stuff, however their castings either seem to be fantastic or dreadful with mold mis-alignments that are a nightmare on such otherwise detailed and beautiful castings
Single cast quality was jaw dropping
Impressive quality and poses for a single cast model.
Looking forward to the American Civil War series for the ability to learn more about the history of the conflict.
Still confused about the Prodos space crusade. Is it a straight up clone game with differing minis and “fiction” from the original MB Game?
I’m fine with cheescake. I remember fantasy illustrations by Frank Frazetta where the women, even if they were warriors, wore revealing clothing/armor. But so did the dudes.
It’s a timeless issue I think. I saw a Lindy Beige video on Youtube talking about Amazons and why are naked-chested warrior women depicted on Greek pottery if they did not exist. He theorized that potters wanted to sell more pottery, and even in ancient times, sex sells.
Some nice looking miniatures to add to my collection!
Building up my painting skills so I can handle these types of minis. Practice!
Where do you list prize winners?
@tracyv – they don’t, as far as I’m aware. You have to watch the weekender where they happen to announce the winners and then contact them to claim your prize.
I have to admit, I’ve never been impressed by prodos’ stuff, but… these models are actually pretty damn nice. Good painting really makes them pop, too.
Maybe if Prodos had bothered to had honest comms with their AVP backers they could have stopped a lot of the anger!
Another excellent shows.
Nice to hear Prodos talking about the problems they had. A lesson to all thinking of going to kick starter.
Loved the queens red and the wearwolf is just beautiful.
Problem they *still* have. Lots of backers still with nothing, 2 years later (~8 months after retail).
It’s really cool where Spartan Games is going with their design process. they improved so much in the last few years. I own a 2nd generation Aquan fleet and (and still think) they look wonderful. But the modular approach and the way it’s executed is brilliant.
Prodos games are doing a good job. I aspecialy like the Warzone range.
Lots of interesting stuff today! Reallly looking forward to the AWI series. I’ve always loved the look of some of the 28mm miniature ranges, but have never known much about the war or of a rules system that made me want to commit. I hope @oriskany and @chrisg might comment on the options for using larger scale miniatures in either skirmish games or with rules sets that assume larger scale figures.
The Prodos interview was very interesting. I bought AvP at retail (though still haven’t got round to assembling the miniatures) but still wish I’d had the money to back at the time. I can’t help but get the feeling that everything that could have gone wrong for Prodos, did go wrong. I understand why some backers are upset / angry, and that it’s not all down to unrealistic expectations about what a Kickstarter is, though I think I’d be more forgiving I thought I was going to get my miniatures eventually – and it does look as though everyone will get their things in the end.
It was a good interview: ask the questions that people want asked, but give Prodos the opportunity to answer fully, and keep the tone as positive as possible (and as positive as BoW always tries to be).
I hope once the AvP mess is behind them the backers that are still angry will be able to enjoy their miniatures and I hope that Prodos will continue to produce stuff with an ‘older and wiser’ experience.
I’m still a bit puzzled by the Space Crusaders set. Not that a company would make figures with boobs, but how a company would see that as belonging to an introductory, family game type of thing, like the original Space Crusade. I’m also surprised that they’re selling more of the ‘adult’ versions of the figures than the fully dressed ones. I’d have thought that anyone wanting naked / semi-naked figures would get them from other sources, and anyone wanting a Space Crusade reboot would want more normal miniatures. It’ll be interesting to see what happens to the game.
Thanks again for the comments and interest in the upcoming AWI series.
@angelicdespot – for my 20mm games, I used Muskets& Tomahawks by Studio Tomahawk. I think it’s written for 28mm, but it’s also written specifically for French and Indian War and AWI. So it was more or less a “perfect fit.” I will admit I stripped some of the “subplot” rules out, plugging in the actual history of a given battle in its place. But it’s a great system for small skirmish AWI games.
Their manufacturing process is one of the most intriguing aspects we have seen lately in my opinion.
The stuff for warzone is looking sweet
Bring on War zone.
Long ago I did Revolution War reenacting with many of my friends, so I’m very well aware of the battles that happened. You’re right about the rifle being new to that time and changing the way war was fought. Some of the men I was with had tower rifles that were very pricy. They really did take longer to load as it was a completely different beast to a musket.
Oh I can attest that a musket volley was more miss than hit. Most of the time it would not fire as the chamber that the spark enters would become clogged with soot after a few rounds. You end up brushing on the go to clean the chamber and resetting your flint to get the best flash to happen.
I recall one time a rather big gathering of 100 + men each side was in a tactical game. It was rather humid that morning and we all stood at the ready and were given the order to fire. We all fired but only 2 muskets went off! It was somewhat embarrassing as the public was watching but we all had a laugh afterwards. I can see that happening back then as well, as the conditions get damper the harder it is to keep your powder dry.
Thanks, @manpug . I offered the Battle of Cowpens case because it’s a rather extreme example of how low casualties could be even in a pitched AWI battle due to the poor accuracy of weapons like the Brown Bess. Some of the larger battles were real “bloodbaths” like Bunker Hill / Breed’s Hill (900-1000 British killed and wounded out of an initial assault force of 2200)?
But the inaccuracy of these weapons was the reason units HAD to mass together in those lines. The only way to really do damage to the enemy at that distance was to mass 100 muskets together and fire them off all at once. Even then, the damage inflicted on the target (unit, not individual men, as I’m sure you know) was much less than imagined by most casual observers.
Needless to say, even slight improvements in firearms technology gave us absolute freakin’ slaughters like the Crimean War, the American Revolution, and the Austro-Prussian War (Battle of Königgrätz, among others). Very quickly, those tactics became just as insane as many people seem to think they always were, and armies had to adapt into what we’d see in World War One.
Id Love me some good looking prodos minis on My gaming table.
love the look of space crusade never heard of it before this
@kudos to Oriskany and Chrisg for the forthcoming series 🙂 and thanks guys.
Thanks, @admiralandy ! These start off tomorrow sometime. Please keep an eye out for it and leave a comment, suggestion, or question if you want! 😀
It is always interesting to hear directly from the companies involved in production of the hobby I love.
While those Prodos miniatures to look awesome, especially for one piece casts, I’d be interested to see what level of preparation they require. @dignity Is there a chance we’ll see an unboxing video in the near future?
Loving the content from Beasts of War. Massive weekender and a week of Infinity were both very welcome. I’m glad that it’s not 2 hours every week, but everything was of interest and well delivered as usual.
I sympathise with people that have felt let down by companies regarding kickstarter projects, especially as a lot of kickstarter projects are something that you have really fallen in love with to stump up the considerable amount of cash in the first place. Seeing people buying that product from shops while you wait must be galling, but I understand that if a project will die if you don’t sell to shops (and sometimes contracts with licensers demand that you begin to sell) it has got to be better to generate the income to honour the pledge in the end. (I’m waiting on Infinity RPG and Walking Dead, so fingers crossed all is going well.)
Space Crusade!?
Reimagined a little, but the one piece example miniatures look amazing.
Space Crusade and Hero Quest hold a special place in my heart. It feels as though Prodos are finding a happy blend in this game and I will keep a keen eye on any news on this product. I like the sound of finding more than one way to play and one version leaning heavy on the nostalgia side.
Can’t wait for Salute to have a good hunt around a wide range of games and hopefully see or join in on games I’ve never been able to play before.
Happy gaming. 🙂
The Prodos models where a pleasant surprise. Already thinking what other games they would fit
Warzone has been on my radar for a while now and I have to say I really like the look of the Space Crusades models.
Great episode and awesome prizes.
Prodos … Meh!
Kind words butter no parsnips as my granny used to say.
Still waiting for my Kickstarter.
Thanks a lot for the explanations, Jarek. I think people is sometimes a bit rough with Prodos. I think that Prodos produces some of the best miniatures of the market and I hope they´ll be in good shape to support their games, like Warzone, in the future. Everything has two points of view, and what happened with AvP is no Prodos fault. Also, I have great expectations with the new material!
They have to take some of the blame… and a company that doesn’t take some responsibility for their actions is a p*ss poor one imho. Especially with the ongoing bullshit that is ever present. We’ve been told that we can get our pledges if we buy more stuff from their store… yet throwing even more money their way. And who’s to say they’ll even deliver on that promise?
the Prodos mini’s look awesome 😉 and Warren proof as a bonus
Really interesting interviews this week, the one from Prodos especially so.
Loving their models and the fact that they are pushing the limits on what can be done as a single piece sculpt. Looking forward to catching up with them at Salute
Those Spacecrusade figures are amazing! I hope that other companies are able to start producing minis like this. I’m really interested in seeing or and learning more about this game. I missed out on it the first time around.
For as long as I can remember female character figures have been to say the least shapely. Recent years have seen more realistic female forms finding their way in to collections which is certainly a good thing, but no reason to throw out all those old minis. At the end of the day we will buy what appeals to us. Isn’t it a rule in marketing to give the customer what they want?
The new Prodos mini’s looked cool already, although some of the armour is a bit too heavy for my taste. But I was really amazed when he just bent the wings and staff on that mini. Having unbreakable mini’s with that much detail is a really good innovation. And the crazy gaps and undercuts in these casts is just magic.
there is a lot of similar stuff coming out for TGG2. I pledged a ton of money to that and they should be openinig the pledge manager soon.
Yeah, I’ve put in a big pledge on TGG2 too. And honestly, I think those are better miniatures from a styling/design perspective. Even though they’re also very ‘cheesecake’ their styling seems to fit a bit better with what they are supposed to be. In my opinion at least.
OMG. The detail of the Prodos minis for Space Crusade almost brought a tear to me eye. Will have to check this out!
Looking great the independence war sutff. Not know very much but I´m interested in playing anothers historical periods.
p.s. I´ve played the Assasain Creed version of the story and looks interesting.
I wasnt sure about the Space Crusade sculpts at first but now i really like them.
Prodos has the IP for space crusader? Would be great a reboot of this game by a company like prodos with such quality on casting and hopefully a great game. Will keep track on it!
This had the one of things that I find interesting; the Irish impressions of Americans. Sometimes close, sometimes not.
What happened to the Hokie? He should be able to straighten some of this out. As a Hokie, just not very much.
I want those wolves!
This was super!
Pretty cool!
Great show as usual guys
Amazing stuff by Prodos
Great episode, looking forward to watching XLBS
I loved this!
Still not sure on the space crusade sculpts but the rest are great and i am a fan of and own most of the AVP stuff they have done and the quality is outstanding
i really want to try this game !!
Cool show! 🙂
First had dealings with Prodos at last years Salute where I played Warzone resurrection. Really enjoyed the rules and ended up buying some Mishima; models are nice IMHO. Was disappointed to hear how bad their KS’s have gone, but I really hope they get all that sorted soon for everyone as it looked like they had some nice ideas/products.
Great feature on some really lovely minis. Fantastic show as always lads!
Wonderful models!
nice looking stuff on show !!
Loving the Space Crusade minis
love the cool sculpts, great show.
Awesome stuff!
Sorry I’m angry due to boiler issues at present but here is my two pence
I don’t think BoW should be giving air time to the likes of Prodos.
How they have treated their backers is appalling! The AvP KS has been closed due to licensing issues! Or is this so know one can view the comment thread?
The backers have supported and paid for this game! As it is their hard earned cash they should be allowed to rant as much as they like about failed deadlines and broken promises.
The KS should do their homework before setting deadlines? I don’t think it’s right to put the emphasis on backers to expect delays. If it happens it happens, expect complaints.
As for selling stock to stores before completing the agreed contract with backers it nothing short of criminal in my opinion.
Mr Angry
Agreed – the wool is firmly over some BoW eyes!
And yes, in case any of you were wondering, I’m STILL waiting for my pledge… 2 yrs later / and ~8 months after RETAIL!!!!
Clearly the kick backs on personal figures is worth more than highlighting the failings.
Sadly I have cancelled my backstage pass due to this.
I can’t understand why BoW continue to support Prodos.
This was lovely!
Mr Angry again
Please don’t put SLONAN from Monolith games on a weekender.
another KS bigged up on BoW that continues to fail deadlines.
Might be getting me some of those crusaders for my sororitas army 🙂
Great stuff!
Great show, love the miniatures and the game. The quality of the miniature is top notch.
Happy Wargaming!
Prodos rox!
I love how impressive miniature making is getting. Keep it up!