The Weekender: Myth & Dropzone Commander Terrain
March 23, 2013 by dignity
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Well it's been another week of ups, downs, and turnarounds and as always we're here to keep you guys up to date on all the goings on from another week in our gaming world.
Here are this weeks highlights links:
Myth - New Game By MERCS Creators
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Myth/140409132801884?fref=ts
//www.beastsofwar.com/fantasy-wargaming/check-fantasy-game-myth-creators-mercs/
New DreadBall Kick Off Starter Set
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Myth/140409132801884?fref=ts
//www.beastsofwar.com/dreadball/started-dreadball-kick-starter-set/
Achtung! Cthulhu Miniatures
http://www.modiphius.com/
http://www.clockworkgoblinminis.co.uk/
//www.beastsofwar.com/horror/cthulhu/fantastically-dark-28mm-creatures-achtung-cthulhu/
Superb Painted Stormwall
http://privateerpress.com/
//www.beastsofwar.com/warmachine/youtuber-pydracor-brings-cygnar-stormwall-life/
MiniWarGaming Shuts Up Shop
http://www.miniwargaming.com/
//www.beastsofwar.com/miniwargaming/tis-sad-day-miniwargaming-announce-closing-store/
Dark Potential Week
http://www.darkpotential.com/
//www.beastsofwar.com/dark-potential/week-explore-miniwargamings-dark-potential/
Russian Alternative Hero Miniatures
http://russian-alternative.ru/en/
//www.beastsofwar.com/fantasy-wargaming/russian-alternative-gift-mighty-heroes/
THON Kickstarter Cancelled
http://www.thonthegame.com/
//www.beastsofwar.com/thon/epic-scifi-kickstarter-thon-cancelled/
Dark Sword Miniatures For March/April
http://www.darkswordminiatures.com/
//www.beastsofwar.com/dark-sword-miniatures/dark-sword-offer-personalities-kingdoms/
More Tour of Duty (Flames of War) Releases
http://www.flamesofwar.com/
//www.beastsofwar.com/flames-of-war/mortars-tanks-rifles-vietnam-tour-duty/
Release Watch - More Flames of War Vietnam releases this week for Saturday
VUSBX03 UH-1D Slick
http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/flames-of-war/vietnam-war-miniatures/uh-1d-slick/prod_19982.html
VUSBX05 M48A3 Patton
http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/flames-of-war/vietnam-war-miniatures/m48a3-patton/prod_19983.html
VUS712 Rifle Platoon
http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/flames-of-war/vietnam-war-miniatures/rifle-platoon/prod_19984.html
VUS715 Mortar Platoon
http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/flames-of-war/vietnam-war-miniatures/mortar-platoon-us-/prod_19985.html
VUS717 4.2" Mortar Platoon
http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/flames-of-war/vietnam-war-miniatures/4-2in-mortar-platoon-us-/prod_19986.html
This was a difficult show, in that I like to feel good about our hobby, and chatting about the negative side (GW in this case) kinda dilutes things a bit, but sometimes it’s just impossible to ignore. (sometimes its just not right to ignore!)
Looking forward to a dialogue about it in the comments here, as there are no easy answers in this…
Well i was fed up with being agrivated by recent events, so i moved on there are so many great system out there. Infinity, mercs, dystopian wars/legions, i signed in on wwx. So lots of good stuff out there without all the politics
Your right we do own the game even down to the figures we choose to play it with. I never have understood the whole never going to play with my huge 40K army again because GW has upset me argument. I always used to buy GW products from our local GW store even though it cost me more but I thought it was important to support it as a game venue. Games in store however are now a thing of the past so is my custom. I’ll still buy a codex and the odd model ( i like new toys… Read more »
Many of us had our say and still many more need to say what they need to say. I’m glad you spoke up about it as its a very important part of us in Canada as many small stores will be effected by this.
I got what your guys where saying: “Send the right message about we don’t like and what we actually want”, in this case buying from alternative, I’m on the same boat with 3d printing vs industrial manufacture ( don’t worry i want talk about that 😛 ). But in this case i feel what you said about “The industry doesn’t need GW to survive” and i completely agree since kickstarter made it possible and we have in a couple of years more than 20 new miniatures games out there and also many new companies with a fresh view on things… Read more »
Warren, I completely understand not wanting the negativity. So here is something for you….
http://tinyurl.com/cfxrecn
I’m not worried about what GW does. GW only cares about the new gamers. They’re focused primarily on those players who are investing in a new army, because those gamers spend the most money (on a single system. Us long-timers spend more money really, but we spread it around more). So you have to look at GW from a different perspective. Let them have the new gamers. When those gamers get fed up of the GW treadmill that is basically designed to annoy them (because, let’s face it they anger their veteran players every few years or so), they’ll start… Read more »
Actually, I like that you guys at BoW don’t exclusively talk about the positive stuff as if there weren’t any negative things in this world. Because I agree that there are things that are impossible and/or not right to ignore.
After all, there are still enough good things to talk about.
Keep up the good work!
Just in time to eat my breakfast … lunch? breakfast.
It’s all a matter of perspective. 🙂
Or time zone 😉
Or Sleeping pattern.
Or I’m a Hobbit …
or all day breakfast
I love lamp…
This would be a breach of the Law in Australia, anti-competative behaviour, and they would be fined VERY heavily, SONY was fined $4 million a day a few years back for the zoning of CD’s. I wonder if this is why they are abandoning the Australian market? I have inside sources letting me know they are trying to increase the independent retailers, and reducing their own shops. For those Australians who want to complain about the price discrepancy I have attached the ACCC link below. After speaking with them they will take action with enough complaints filed.
http://transition.accc.gov.au/content/maintain/create/index.phtml?contentTypeItemId=9133&informationSpaceItemId=268347
Typical GW. They do not care about their ever dwindling fanbase. Money talks and that’s all gw is interested in.
There are so many other games out there. Yes gw is the big dog etc but the games are full of flaws and random rolling here, there and everywhere. The fluff has been the same for however many years. The prices are a joke. I could go on but end of the day gw are just clueless when it comes to what’s left of their fanbases wants
Money is also the means by which they make their products.
The fluff HAS changed :p Matt Ward loves you.
Given the conversation on the experience GW provides in their local hobby stores I think a choice quote from Mr 40k himself, Rick Priestly: “So I ventured into a local Games Workshop store, to be interrogated about what I was painting and bombarded with much enthusiastic advice before I was able to make my escape, luckily without giving anything away. I always think of going into a Games Workshop store as not so much a shopping experience as a test of character.” For me that pretty accurately describes my typical experience and it’s why, for a very very long time,… Read more »
When was this quote from? Because to be fair, GW stores were ever thus like this even during the golden years (Priestley/Chambers/Johnson/Thorpe/Alessio etc) and I don’t recall RP ever commenting about this whilst he was still at the helm…
GW stores were a great place to go in their golden years back in the 80’s. Even by the 90’s they weren’t as hard sell as they are now. I only go in for modelling supplies now and when I get the inevitable questions about what the paints are for I’m able to mention an historical army which tends to stop the conversation. Though on one occasion it did start up a conversation with a staff member about Saga.
Apparently it’s from his column in Wargames, Soldiers & Strategy magazine and it was just the last issue (64) so fairly recent. I didn’t see it myself but saw it mentioned a couple of places online. I wouldn’t say it was always that way in GW stores. When I used to frequent them they didn’t just sell GW’s lines. I wasn’t in to wargaming at the time, it was rpg’s for me and in fact I’m pretty sure I got my copy of West End Games Paranoia from a GW store back in the day, but there was no grilling… Read more »
Some very good bits on the whole GW mallarky
Great show again. Already said my piece on GW , I’ve not been buying any because the recent stuff just isnt attracting me , they seem to b elosing their way a bit design wise , we mostly play 2nd edition these days , fewer models, its bit more complicated than later versions but its , to my group, more enjoyable. The dropzone commander stuff just looks fantastic, I’ve used plenty of ‘print your own’ paper terrain over the years, the Dave Drafham stuff like you’ve had for backstagers and lots of world works games stuff, and I’ll tell people… Read more »
As much as I love the versatility of the print and play terrain ala WorldWorksGames and Battlesystems, I’ve invested so much time in it that I can really appreciate the value of that pre-cut DZC terrain. It it is readily available at the price suggested, I can see this being useful for a ton of different games.
Hmm, I wonder how my guys would feel about adopting ~15mm as a format for our tabletop RPGs..
I’m coming round to the idea of 15mm (or even 10mm) RPGs/adventuring
Massive scope for environments etc
I’m even considering it for wargaming in general. I done a footslogging ork army and it got to the point that the assembly, painting, etc was a painful chore and not fun. That’s as much a part of the hobby as playing and should be fun too but, for example, I love the look of Skaven but I’m not going to be doing that in a hurry. I’m one of those people that couldn’t field unpainted so the knowledge of how much time and pain I’d go through before I could even field them stops me right there. You can… Read more »
A flatpack city like that would be fantastic for RPGing, I think you could have a lot of fun trying to sty out of Cthulu’s line of sight, or navigating an occupied city. Nice to see Ikea branch out into terraforming too.
Lol
That DZC terrain is amazing! I am not sold on the game yet, but it is becoming more appealing. although that terrain is in 10mm scale I am sure it would do at 12-15mm at a pinch, so I am guessing it would also be useful for heavy gear, critical mass, stargrunt etc
Can’t agree with you about GW in the slightest, in my opinion Space Marines are dull religious zealots of battle. The Warhammer fantasy doesn’t interest me in the slightest as it is just diluted LOTR. Also the mechanics of the games are dull and laborious and require a huge investment in time to master (especially when the new codexes come out that are as clear as mud sometime). The minis in my opinion are stagnating and I haven’t seen a truly amazing sculpt often. I know you have to keep somewhat neutral due to the synergy you have with the… Read more »
If your goal is for the company and the setting to just die then of course what you say holds merit.
However to call our opinions ‘rubbish’ because we have a different ‘goal’ from you (the company to succeed by playing fair with their customers and partners)… Well thats actually pretty rude don’t you think?
Discounting someone’s comments and opinions without understanding that their hopes are different from yours actually smacks a little more of fascism to me :s
Warhammer and 40K are both massive melting pots of fiction and movies all baked into two cakes and then given their own spin – the best spin usually dating back from the core notions of the original founders. The Black Library, untainted almost by GW, produce fantastic adventures and enrich the environment. Many peeps out there who read GW but don’t play/paint it, btw. Even though GW’s products last year / this have mostly gone off course, that still leaves 95% of their products as still the the best / joint best. I’m offended by your comments about Space Marines… Read more »
I agree if other forces did take over at GW – that where not such bankers (both real and in the rhyming slang way) but hobbiests again
A fair bit of this taking it to the extreem for profit seem to have come after the takeover
So yes this is a GW-(mis)management issue – the games are fine, would I ever just play them ? – No am I and the hobby richer for having them around ?
This ^^^
I suppose I come off like the that as well. Why is this hobby more like a disease? Not since I hit my first golf ball long and straight down the fairway have I been drawn to an endeavor for more. It truly does feel like I need to defend my new BFF. But alas poor Yorick, It’s just a game Horatio.
Talking to the Skullz tm is fairly common amongst new enthusiasts.
It will wear off after a while as you get over the newness of the experience.
I didn’t talk to the Skullz tm but I did get bitten by a tarantula.
To be fair I was trying shave his back so I could superglue Gobbo Spider Riders.
Stupid spider never did learn to stay put and move forward the correct number of in inches on command.
also I never could type in inches without putting “in” before the in inches.
Especially Stuarts? Can’t a brother even get an apostrophe? 😉
Maybe he was subtly implying you have multiple personality disorder?
Okay
Sorry Stuart I apologise.
Oh…. I read that wrong didn’t I :*)
Good stuff. I’m someone who grew up on Games Workshop stuff, and am coming back to the hobby after a long, long time away. So as a returning gamer, this looks like a golden age for wargaming. The sheer number of good quality games that are coming out is staggering. I could happily throw money at Infinity, Dropzone Commander, Mercs, Dystopian Wars, Flames of War, Bolt Action … all on top of the Dreadball, WFB and Warmachine I’m already collecting. I’ve looked at the Dropzone Commander rulebook and it’s awesome. The mechanics, fluff, artwork and models are far from “indie”.… Read more »
Awesome buildings! Great video. I am dubious about the “you should buy locally / from online” idea even though your logic is correct imo, GW, or the few individuals who don’t seem to be as perceptive as one might hope (who run things), will simply conclude “people like GW; people like buying online THEREFORE we’ll just do that for ya instead” and cut out the middle man. They will draw the entirely wrong conclusion, or even worse simply use third party brick and mortar shops as test-the-water grounds for a new GW store (they’ve actually done this, I read at… Read more »
@poosh I think you are spot on with your thoughts about exposing other products beside GW, (we have had first had experience of erm their attitude to that – more on that another time)
I spent most of today thinking about my comments on the weekender, and have a similar ‘fear’ to you that despite the logic of it… Logic just doesn’t always win out 🙁
Logic usually does win out… only different people have different ideas of what constitutes ‘logical’. I think it’s pretty clear that GW’s motive for the trade agreement changes are, when it comes down to it, to make them more money. I don’t have a problem with that per se, since after all that is what business is about. However, GW have – in their eyes – reached this point quite logically. They’ve taken a look at their sales figures in various markets, and have decided that there’s a big piece of pie in online sales that they’d rather have all… Read more »
A very fair point well made!
It would be stupid if GW just handed out stock to third parties if they gained nothing from it. Why on earth would you just let other people piggy back off your work? That would be pretty stupid of GW and insulting too all the decent people who do actually work at GW who we tend to forget about. If GW honestly looked at the numbers and it was quite clear third party sellers were taking advantage of GW, and that GW could make more money by simply no longer allowing third parties to supply T.H.E.I.R. product, then that is… Read more »
That’s why we need to not buy GW anymore, their way of thinking won’t change unless they can’t apply the same method to get more of the pie anymore and every time they apply that method the loose a lot of clients won’t buy their product but also switch and promote a lot of different companies them they will have to stop using that method.
Sadly GW has a good product but is doing it for the wrong reason and only reason: Money.
Warren Its not just the obvious bullying of smaller and online retailers that repulses me to the point of leaving the hobby altogether… No it is a large sum total of events in just the past few years that has stopped me from buying into any GW game. I have three armies 2 of which are still undone from atleast 2 years of not buying into them. One of which is given to me from my own brother who walked away from the hobby because of what we all see. They stop all tourneys and make a statement we just… Read more »
It depends on what you want… You want them to die as a company, if everyone thought like you we wouldn’t even be having the conversation on the show. However others (myself included) happen to like the product (or parts of) and would like to see a day when we can buy it at a reasonable price, from whom we like, and enjoy it the way we like, without interference. So while what I say may not appeal to you, your final objective is different from mine so I’m not sure what it is you want, because currently at least… Read more »
Well Warren what I want is a fair shake for the games I like, I have been yelling for a warmachine week of some sort for months… break I could care less eitherway live or die just felt like you were discounting my statement about vote with your wallet Why did you call me out?? If we did vote with our wallets you probably wouldn’t see the things we see happen today, I meet more and more gamers all the time who have dropped GW its not my doing it is theres I get shot down all the time its… Read more »
@dawnpatrolchapter I think the competitive community needs to relax, from what I see they are the ones voting with their wallets, voting for the guys with the most legos and model putty. Because GW don’t care about competitive redundant win at all cost socially retarded bully minded douche nozzles doesn’t make them a bad company.
[[The rest of this comment was removed as it was frankly offensive, I’ve noticed a couple of members now crossing the line on offensive comments, the rule here is simple.
MAKE YOUR POINT! BUT ANY MORE BLATENT OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE AND I WILL START BANNING
Warren]]
That’s an interesting comment Warren. Actually very interesting and has clear bearing on this subject. Care to share about that experience of GW objecting to competition? (Puts away very large mixing spoon and acts innocent…)
Lol yeah I may end up writing a book 😉
Wonder if it would get published by Black Library?
Might be worth giving them a call Warren! lol
Great show, and glad you did tackle the sticky topic of GW. One that tends to be emotive rather than logical, and I thought it was well handled. @Stuart your point about claiming the hobby was a more elegant summary of one of the idea I have been trying to get across in the discussion. @poosh I completely agree, especially about GW purchases and I also buy from online/lgs over Games Workshops pretty much everytime. In part because the discount helps justify the purchase, and can be the tipping factor on that impulse buy but mainly because I believe in… Read more »
The problem with the “don’t boycott GW, just buy from the independents instead” approach is that for a lot of us, that’s exactly what we’ve been doing for the past several years. Strongly-worded letters have been done. Buying from the independents has been done. GW have shown no sign that they’re listening, and have just marched ever-onwards with the same unpopular policies. You said yourself in the video that this “no online sales” thing started in the US ten years ago. Nothing that’s been said or done since has had any effect. GW aren’t listening because *they do not have… Read more »
Warzan said “However to call our opinions ‘rubbish’ because we have a different ‘goal’ from you (the company to succeed by playing fair with their customers and partners)… Well thats actually pretty rude don’t you think?” My point was if your disilusiioned by a company you do not throw more cash at them. That for me is just common sense. The amount of people on youtube saying they are done with GW is significant to see the severity of the issues with the company. The ultimate question for me is this if GW closed trading tommorow would it affect my… Read more »
And Poosh in my opinion Space Marines are dull! I have read books about them and seen the animated film if you disagree that is your opinion and is no more or less valid than mine.
It is all about differentiation and the understanding that your opinion is your own truth, however we are all different so do not share each others world vision.
There is no truth but the Emperors.
As I consider myself a believer in Solipsism, in fact you are not entitled to your own opinion because you do not really exist. Sorry to break it to you Andy old chap.
fellow Philosophy graduate?
I hate it when my imaginary friends tell me I don’t exist, I have to look in the mirror then just to make sure.
I don’t exist? So that’s why whenever I say “Honey, lets have sex!” my wife ignores me.
Does that mean you are the ruler of the universe Stuart? Did you meet Zaphod?
@subatomica
I’m with ya they like to they like to gangbang ya on forum here when you don’t lay down and agree. Shit man I’m use to it 🙂
No sweat
That terrain is awesome! I don’t play Dropzone Commander, but I’d love to break out my old Epic stuff, which would be a good fit for this terrain.
Well subversion isn’t a very mature way to debate in my non existent state Stuart. How about you back up your statement with some substance.
Not sure I catch your meaning there skipper? What statement?
“Especially Stuarts? Can’t a brother even get an apostrophe?”
No not when brother is dyslexic but does his best.
From my own understanding of dyslexia it’s not a condition that disables the sense of humor.
Perhaps it’s time for you to lighten up a bit?
With all due respect Warren, the idea of buying GW from alternative sources won’t make any difference. Only maybe for GW to clamp down further on other retailers. If I understand correctly, you imply GW have announced the latest restrictions due to the success of MGW. We are not dealing with a rational healthy business. I will strongly advocate that anyone who cares enough should stop purchasing GW products and invest in companies who actually give a monkey’s about their customers. Support your LFGS and FOLGS There is more chance of GW taking notice of falling sales than seeing that… Read more »
Yup, that is a definite possibility unfortunately.
I agree… Especially since “buying from alternate sources” is already being done by quite a lot of people. The second life of GW products on e-bay, the resin/metal counterfeiting, the proxies and second-hand products from non-GW stores sales… They know about it. How can they not ? More than half the armies fielded in some tournaments wouldn’t exist otherwise. I think this is another step towards the Disneyification of GW : they’re getting away from teh wargamers and turning into a toy company that makes video games and films, with a toy line aimed at the 10 to 12 year-old.… Read more »
I think @elromanozo is probably right. Short term perhaps a wallet vote is what is needed. It may be the only way GW will take heed…
Now I’m sad.
i’m just fearful that if we stop buying from the local gw there feel the pintch and force up the price again
i had to spend st paddys day in the usa with my wife famliy in the usa
they all think there irish -_- they have green cornbeef as there meal
and they all think there experts on the troubles its was paaaaaaainful thank god there was lots to drink
Lol green corn beef… Shudder!
You can’t take inflection from text so how do you know humour is not in my posts?
I’ll have to take your word for it then 😉
This is what happens when gamers do the hobby for fun then try to make a business of it.
It turns to a partyline slobber vest with no real direction only wishy washy statements WOW
Ok then…
Let’s test your ability to ‘wear my shoes’
I want GW products to stick around for the long term, I want the company to grow, however I want that in conjunction with independent retailers both Briks and Mortar and Internet, and also in junction with independent hobby websites and magazines and along side other games and manufacturers.
With an emphasis on growing the whole sector…
If you were me and shared that world view, what would you say/do today?
Borrowing shoes is nasty… I get what you’re saying and I agree with it but I think we need it to go one step further than GW helping independents, I think the best thing they could do -not for the hobby or the industry, though they’d both benefit- is to separate the retail chain from the manufacturer a bit, by doing so they can sell more of their product, they can get rid of the ancillary products and use what are almost universally better products. If as they say indies have cashed in and gotten a free ride on GW’s… Read more »
Nice question. Ok. GW is only able to act as it does due to market place dominance. I think we can all agree at least on that. If any other manufacturer placed a stranglehold limitation on how you could access their produce you would quite rightly call it business suicide. The only logical reason for GW to do this is to snatch the piece of the pie that it had allowed others to work hard for. Trouble is they are not even doing that if you think hard. The piece of the pie they snatched is the difference between the… Read more »
Gee gotta love the plus 19 huh Well I could not wear your shoes based on the fact I refuse to give unwavering support to any one game maker. Especially one that has been anal raping the unsuspecting noobie hobbyist for how many years now. I play currently 4 different systems outside of GW the flavor of the month is Dropzone Commander which is amazing. I, like most gamers I know bounce around so speaking for myself it is impossible to walk in yours or anyone else’s shoes. Look I don’t like watching good people like the guys at miniwargaming… Read more »
Heres how I feel about not just your world view but anything that even remotely points to global view at all 🙂
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIwqBDTsRFo
After all I am American and independent
That’s nice! /Mrs. Brown. 😛
dawnpatrolchapter says:”That should be worth a few more thumbs up from the scrotumless mindless followers who frequent here because they love the abuse handed down from GW”
You know what? I don’t play GW games any more, I don’t buy GW products any more, but you’re still getting a downvote from me because “scrotumless mindless followers” simply IS NOT NECESSARY. Just cut out the namecalling and vitriol for five minutes and everyone – including you – will be a lot happier.
@grarl
Dude go buy some panty shields will ya ?
Do they give an armour bonus?
dawnpatrolchapter: “I am more concerned with playing games with family and friends, which by the way GW freaking destroyed.”
snurgle:”Jesus titty f*cking…”
dawnpatrolchapter: Well my gaming garage with 2 tables and a workbench, is being tore down today because it has sat there unattended for over a year now.
snurgle: I’m POSITIVE it’s because you are a dick. and your 27 flamers/screamers got nutted.
@Snurgle
Read what Romain said and take a leaf from his book.
You accuse everyone of hate and type stuff like this.
It is unnecessarily offensive, adds nothing to the debate and doesn’t convince me that your arguments are right.
We understand how passionate and enthusiastic people get about their favourite war game system but just step back a tad.
For what it’s worth, @dawnpatrolchapter, I understand completely where you are right now, and I sympathize…
You’re hurting deeply. Of course, you’re needlessly insulting, but what are you to do ?
From your point of view, it sounds like certain statements are just pouring salt on those wounds…
So… I’m sorry, and I feel for you… And I agree that “buying from alternate sources to send a message” won’t work. However, neither do insulting people.
Well it only hurts when after my nuts are finished resting on snurgle’s chin and then after wards zipper catches skin. Seriously, @elromanozo I will be honest I felt that people were a little soft in support of Matt and Dave over at the now derailed miniwargaming. So I have no problem picking up the slack and going way over board. If this is where the hobby is ultimately going you really have to question its worth and do you really want to remain in that hobby. So this is my struggle meanwhile I refuse to apologize as long as… Read more »
Well if they are going to pinch that negates the +1 healing!
Will give them a miss then! 😛
Great show guys, I’ve already said a lot on GW and I can say that it’s been a bit of a rollercoaster ride for me – I still enjoy 40k and Warhammer, but I can’t devote myself to them in the same way as a lot of gamer’s do. I think Warren’s spot on with the word “disingenuous” in conjunction with GW these days. I don’t really feel good if I buy their models, which I should do – the key to retail is to make the customer feel good about spending their money – at the moment GW don’t… Read more »
…Lastly while it is still fresh in my mind. “Who is the ass wipe that has forced this community of gamers into thinking that our hobby rises and falls based on what GW does or continues to do to us ??? There must be some kind of mass mind media control or something… …maybe its the culling of the weak minded in our hobby. My guess would be some how it is probably both. I mean most gamers I meet on the table are dysfunctional to some degree so it is a natural progression to see us as a collective… Read more »
Yes that’s an interesting point and honestly until its tested there is no clear answer, however the assumption is based on them being a monopoly within the market so the following points may make things clearer: At a point in the past 8 out of every 10 products at least, sold in this entire industry were from GW. Retailers made the bulk of their money (if not profit) from GW stock Other small manufacturers rely on those retailers staying in business, and the retailers in urn relied on GW GW were (and to a degree still are) responsible for the… Read more »
I disagree warzan. In started playing RPG’s and board games first at the local club in the community Hall. We used mini’s to represent the battles, from all companies. I then started using 1/72 scale WW2 plastics models for wargamming. Still do, have converted FoW to 1/72. GW had a game with an interesting story line. I played it an bought alot over the last 25 years, but I still play the other games. The paultry 30% profit margin required to compete with the online GW store is CRAP compared to the 50-60% profit available from other products. The Indipendent… Read more »
Hear hear !
All the shops I know have had the same experience.
“The future is here. It’s just not evenly distributed yet.” – Pretty well known William Gibson quote. @warzan I think there is a difference of opinion on this because, as you say, “All of the above is changing…” For some of us, that change started years ago, and for others it’s just now starting. I don’t claim that my experiences (which you’ve already read in countless other threads and up a ways in this one) represent the entirety of the hobby, but they do represent more than just my town. GW is slipping. They are not the “overwhelming majority” of… Read more »
excellent point…
Opened a can of worms in my head that…
I agree. Stores in France are having trouble with GW policies and, to be frank, GW bullying. Their representatives would have you believe that they’re the best of teh best and that it’s an honor to do business with them… In fact, the profit margins for selling GW products is extremely low. They don’t even allow stores to sell Finecast unless they “prove” themselves by selling first a certain quantity of other products, no matter what history they have with the company prior to Finecast. What is more, they don’t even encourage it. A friend of mine who owns a… Read more »
“Who is the ass wipe that has forced this community of gamers into thinking that our hobby rises and falls based on what GW does or continues to do to us ???” Reality. Cold, hard reality. The vast majority of independant gaming stores make the vast majority of their money through selling Games Workshop products. I don’t think anybody disputes this. This is true to the extent that when selling GW products is no longer an option, a lot of those independant gaming stores go out of business. Topical case in point: Miniwargaming. Virtually overnight, Miniwargaming took the decision to… Read more »
Warzan said “Ok then… Let’s test your ability to ‘wear my shoes’ I want GW products to stick around for the long term, I want the company to grow, however I want that in conjunction with independent retailers both Briks and Mortar and Internet, and also in junction with independent hobby websites and magazines and along side other games and manufacturers. With an emphasis on growing the whole sector… If you were me and shared that world view, what would you say/do today?” you answered this yourself in the video the answer is to get communication going. Where as you… Read more »
You’ll love XLBS then 😉
Looking forward to it. Worth the coffee and muffin on its own 🙂