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Antenocitis Workshop Shows Off Restaurant Terrain Teaser
November 30, 2015 by deltagamegirl22
Antenocitis Workshop has released one view of Happy Panda Noodles on their Facebook page, and it looks AMAZING.
They have really nailed the details with Eastern Flair, with the Pagoda style picnic tables and decor. There's so many different games that a set like this would be great for!
I'm sure we'll be hearing and seeing more it as they say, "soon."
What game would you use terrain like this for?
"I'm sure we'll be hearing and seeing more it as they say, "soon.""
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Always wondered what “Panda Noddles” tasted like…………lmao
“Blade Runner” come`s to mind, or even a “Zombie” game where “Panda`s” raise from the dead to seek revenge……………..There`s “Infinity” where i think it would fit in with the terrain they do.
You haven’t lived until you tasted Panda Noodles. Lol 😉
Coming soon to a Relic Knights table near me if I have my way
Oh good call, Ben!
That looks awesome, if it’s like the forward base buildings then it’s going to be fully detailed inside too.
Darken it down a bit and it goes in the sleezy part of my Infinity games! I love it.
I wonder if they’re going to do some different signs as a group of these together would make a great asian style food court.
That’s a really cute shop they made.
I don’t know what I’d use it for specifically, but I want it. Anachronism be damned, I’d use it on just about any table.
I would use the terrain for Judge Dredd and Batman
That is really cool!
Not sure I like it personally, love antenocitis vehicles but not feeling this. Also not sure why all future cultures for infinity eat noodles (look at warmill etc.).
Finally I would also be a bit concerned as they are kickstartering the range according to their facebook but they still haven’t completed on their last kickstarter at least according to another post and I’m sure that was due to finish in June at the latest.
Who knows though when the full range is out I might be pleasantly surprised.
I guess it’s a combination of the anime influence, and of course Blade Runner (where everyone also eats noodles!) 🙂
I backed their Forward Base KS and last I heard it was due to finish fulfilment early next year. The original timeframe was heavily disrupted by the extended absence of one of the production team due to ill health.
As said, things got delayed by one of the staff being rather ill; these things happen sometimes, and at the end of the day, you’ve got to remember a fair bunch of these companies are relatively small staff-wise.
I’m sure Antenocitis would have loved people to be able to buy the KS stuff before Christmas, but they do seem to have kept people up to date about why delays have happened.
Following the facebook page, there seems to be a bunch of other things in the pipeline; the Capsule Hotel for instance, which looks rather nice.
I just find it all interesting that as a hobby we are fine with the fact that A) the noodle hut is not that original and B) that they would have had to of had six months of sickness to explain the delay.
Yet when you talk about other companies people get really angry with unoriginal items, the prime example being games workshop who have an established brand and people on here loose their mind if they bring out another form of Space Marine. With kickstarter we are now talking for wave one over 10 months late if it doesn’t come out this year yet with other companies we want to string them up when they suggest another kickstarter to pay for the last kickstarter. I can’t see what else Antenociti can be doing as if they have the capacity to produce the kickstarter why don’t they and if they don’t have the capacity (either in funds or time) why are they doing another one.
Maybe it’s time we re-examine how we look at companies in the hobby as even the big fish (like Prodos) are small in real terms yet companies like Antenocitis which have multiple staff members and have licences to produce products from one of the largest IPs in wargaming currently are given an easy time.
Just as a bit of a disclaimer for this I personally have been burned by Prodos and I am not at all happy about the way they are handling it, I just find it interesting that we want to hang them up but another company not fulfilling on its much smaller and more manageable kickstarter is OK.
Assuming that people do in fact lose their mind if GW bring out a Space Marine, and of the list of the things that GW get stick for this one seems pretty low down it, then the major difference would be that GW already have a lot of Space Marines, whilst AW don’t have a noodle hut. In fact, noodle hut terrain pieces aren’t particularly common. What we have is a trope, rather than a retread, and not one which is particularly well-served in the wargaming terrain market. There are many many other terrain pieces that could be accused of being unoriginal before we hit the noodle hut.
The March estimate was when shipping for Wave One would begin, not when it would finish. Nor is it the case that most Wave One pledgers have waited ten months beyond the initial estimate. I received my pledge in June, only three months beyond the initial estimate.
I’m not aware that AW have said they will be starting a new KS to pay for the fulfillment of this one, nor that they will do another one before this one is finished.
The loss of skilled staff member for small company fulfilling a large KS does cause significant delays. I am currently experiencing a delay in receiving a mini from a Mierce Miniatures KS for exactly this reason. The staff member cannot easily be replaced as their role requires both skill and experience so the result is delays.
I did back the Forward Base KS so was *burned* by it, but have zero problem with it. I understand that the shipping date is an estimate, that unforeseen circumstances can greatly extend it, and appreciate the excellent communication throughout the process that AW. Consequently if their next KS is for product I want and I can spare the funds, I will have no hesitation in backing it. I did not back AvP, but from what I can tell the extended delay in fulfillment, the retail sale of the product long before fulfillment for some backers, the poor communication (and it seems some dishonest communications also), the admission that the AvP KS was in part to pay for the fulfillment of the Warzone KS, and the admission that the AvP money has long since ran out seem to be the main sources of discontent. I don’t see how the two campaigns are comparable.
Well firstly what you have stated that it is a trope instantly makes it unoriginal, originality is the exact antithesis of a trope. Secondly if you really wanted I can get you links to loads of forum posts, news posts etc. where people are complaining almost as much about the unoriginality of another form of space marine as games workshops prices (well maybe that is an exaggeration games workshops prices are very steep).
The information about this being a kickstarter can be found in this link https://www.facebook.com/153539898016993/photos/a.219435201427462.47038.153539898016993/918617618175880/?type=3&theater where Antenociti state “(on some of the new Downtown scenery out to KS before Xmas)” before according to you completing kickstarter “I backed their Forward Base KS and last I heard it was due to finish fulfilment early next year. The original timeframe was heavily disrupted by the extended absence of one of the production team due to ill health.”
I understand that in your experience the kickstarter was not bad as you “received my pledge in June, only three months beyond the initial estimate.” but according to your own earlier statement the second wave would have to wait until after December so over 6 months from the original shipping date. This seems particularly bad considering it only had 431 backers. It will have taken over a year from the completion of the kickstarter for them to complete and send out only 431 orders.
I agree that there are many unoriginal designs in terrain, the 4Ground 10mm Jesserai range is quite clearly intended to be solely for Dropzone Commander, the Bandau pre-painted buildings are disgustingly basic and uninspired and don’t even get me started on the number of hexagonal building habs, containers etc. that are designed even though as a species we have spent thousands of years identifying that the most space efficient way to store things is either squares or rectangles (look at any container ship).
It is not that a trope is original. It is that the terrain piece provides a sci-fi trope that is not common amongst currently available terrain. Hence not at all like a Space Marine, which is very common, and in fact desirable amongst those who would like to represent that trope on a sci-fi table.
Thank you for the link to the proposed KS date (genuinely, it means I can budget for it). I did not mean to say that Wave Two had to wait until Wave One was finished and in fact I believe Wave Two began fulfilling last month. They estimated in October that Wave Three would be completed by the end of December, though I don’t think they’ve managed to stick to their schedule as Wave Two was meant to begin in October on their revised timetable from that month. That may mean Wave Three will run later, albeit only 30 of the 431 pledgers are in Wave Three.
My own experience was intended to highlight that shipping began much earlier than ten months late, not to suggest I was okay because I only waited three months. I am currently waiting on items from the Infamy KS which were due to be shipped in May and have no issue with waiting longer as I understand why due to James’ excellent communication. I would have been similarly fine about waiting longer for Forward Base.
Once again, beyond delays in fulfillment I don’t see this as comparable to the issues with AvP for the reasons cited. To pull out this one common feature they share and extrapolate from it would be like saying bananas and lemons are the same thing because both are yellow fruits. If you feel you must hold AW to account for failing to meet their shipping estimates, for whatever reason, then that is your prerogative, though it is not one I share.
Hi azrea – Jed here from Antenocitis.
I am afraid that most of your information is woefully incorrect.
1) This isnt going to kickstarter – it’s a retail release (this week. in fact)
2) The staff member who went off ill never returned to work (and is still unable to work almost 12 months later, although he is no longer on our books)
3) It takes 6 months minimum to train somebody to cast resin… most people cant do it to our standards AT ALL. – It is a skilled job, you cant just take somebody off the street and go “Shazam!!!” and they are a quality resin caster. So we lose our caster – its 6 months MINIMUM to train another, during which time – pretty much zero production.
4) “Multiple staff members” – there are 4 of us total. Four. 1 caster. 1laser operator. 1 accounts/Pick&Pack – and me (doing everything else).
We are not exactly GW, so when we lose 1 staff its 25% of entire staffing. To replace them one of us has to stop everything they are doing, to train the new guy… which means you cant do you other job as well.
That may not alter your opinion one iota, but it also wont change the fact that this is reality – hiring “instant replacements” for skilled jobs, is not reality. Want to know how many trianed resin casters there are looking for a new job
5) Wave 1 is finishes on 18th December, WAVE 2 on 29th Feb, Wave 3 March 31st. Laser cutting for all of it finishes February 29th… leaving all lasers free. (Knock off the 6 months for training new staff and then redo your arguments)
6) If we wanted to run a KS, which we are doing on something else (not the panda) , that means production starts in March. It takes 1 month to run a KS, 1-2 months to complete surveys and backerkit – which is end of Feb if the KS runs in December. (Reminder: Forward Base laser cutting finishes end of February)
7) The picture you link to in a later post “proving” that the Happy Panda is a KS, does not feature the Happy Panda in it.
8) This is one of a range of food-booths that will expand to other foodstuffs – you just assumed it is on its own.. noodles are a popular food, if it had been burgers you could say the same, or chips, or sandwiches… thats because they are all common foodstuffs… to appeal to the widest audience. Its easy to say “make something totally unique” but the REALITY of the industry is that such items have a vastly reduced potential market – simply put – more people will want Noodles, Burgers and Sarnies, than something utterly obscure.
For yourself I understand that market reality is not something that you need to consider, but for a business it is.
Anything else feel free to ask… we haven’t got anything to hide.
*and appreciate the excellent communication throughout the process that AW have provided.
shame nobody has come up with a naruto game would look great area for a game
I haven’t been to a Nandos since they made me wait 50 mins for my meal (35 mins after my friends got theirs) all the while telling me my meal was on the way before telling me that they’d run out of chicken.
That’s right Nandos tried to get me to believe they’d run of chicken. Unfortunately for them I had eyes and could in fact see plenty of people getting their meals no problem.
Wasn’t the deal with prodos that they just didn’t tell people what was going on? Did they start shipping the game to stores with ks backers still to receive their pledges? Am I confusing some of that with other companies. AW have been fairly up front with saying there will be delays and the reasons why.
Wrt gw you won’t find a post from me at any rate losing my mind about space marines or anything really so if you’re suggesting there is any hypocrisy on the way I view gw in comparison to AW then you’re out of luck.
I understand both of your opinions. But the reasoning that one member of staff just doesn’t sit well with me, according to the Antenociti facebook page the main operator of the lasers is the owner, so unless he was ill then he would be able to complete the project. If the member of staff in question was that vital to production the owner would not have been able to produce three new laser cut kits and eleven new resin kits. The reason I would say they are similar is that Antenociti is going to run another kickstarter while having not yet completed the original kickstarter, if they are unable to complete one kickstarter before asking for money for another kickstarter it doesn’t look good. The only reason that I can see is they either don’t have the funds or the capacity to produce the initial kickstarter and want to do another one for the additional funds.
While I appreciate that for whatever reason the delay in them completing is not an issue to either of you, it is of concern (well more than a concern I guess with how long I have gone on about it) to me and therefore the best I guess we can do is agree to disagree.
The staff member was the resin caster. They sent an update in March explaining that he was signed off for an extended period of time and whilst the remaining team could do the casting themselves, it meant taking them away from handling the other aspects of fulfilling the KS and running the day to day business. The exact same thing happened to Mierce Miniatures who also found themselves a caster down for an extended period of time and are now several months behind as a result. In AW’s case, they had intended on hiring a trainee caster to work alongside the main caster, learn the ropes for a few months, and then help with fulfillment. What actually happened is they went two months without a caster and wound up hiring two trainees. There were some other issues as well, all of which AW kept us informed about regularly.
We can certainly agree to disagree about whether AW should start a new KS if they have outstanding pledges to fulfill from the first one. On the other hand, whether they were down a staff member is something that either happened or it didn’t, regardless of opinion. Given the regular information AW have sent out since March I have no reason to doubt it. That said, backing a KS is ultimately about confidence, and if you don’t have confidence in campaign then you certainly shouldn’t back it.
“”the main operator of the lasers is the owner, so unless he was ill then he would be able to complete the project. – See more at: http://www.beastsofwar.com/antenocitis-workshop/antenocitis-workshop-shows-restaurant-teaser-terrain/#sthash.yRcIE2Vo.dpuf“”
So, who does the resin? Who makes the moulds? Who does the pick & pack? Who does the instructions? Who does the photography and labels? Who does the post? Who manages materials? Who does ordering? Who does accounts?
Is it the Pixies?
It is very easy to say what you are saying, but it has no basis in reality.
One does not simply cut on a laser and “Shazam! Its done!”
Ok well your earlier post was reasonable, this one not so much, so I feel that it may be worthwhile pointing out some hypocricies and hopefully at least conflicting mistakes with your post here and what looks like at least partially a response to me on your facebook/kickstarter page.
You state in your kickstarter update that you are not producing new products as you are currently fulfilling your kickstarter, but earlier in this conversation you state that “This isnt going to kickstarter – it’s a retail release (this week. in fact)”, you also have released you E-Systems garbage point http://www.antenocitisworkshop.com/e-systems-garbage-point.html and your cargo stacks http://www.antenocitisworkshop.com/aleph-cargo-stack-4551.html. What are these if not new laser cut products?
According to your kickstarter post the issue is with you, not losing your caster as “Losing our caster didn’t help, but ‘realistically’ it transpires that we would have ended up where we are now anyway, due to other inefficiencies, so there really aren’t any “good” excuses:”
You explain that you couldn’t know these issues before hand and that your competitors wouldn’t of helped but that you literally had no clue what you were doing. Yet you claim on your kickstarter “We use the same laser-grade MDF as many other manufacturers but we pre-process it before we paint both sides of it. This produces a much more even surface and results in a more even and smooth paint coverage, thereby reducing the problems associated with MDF where the surfaces are uneven and the fibrous nature of the MDF itself “pokes through” the MDF resulting in a surface that looks like it is made out of wood pulp.. rather than a smooth, slick sci-fi surface material.” how would you know this if you had no clue, either you were misleading on your kickstarter or you had knowledge of these procedures. You also state the following regarding colours “Some colours work for MDF laser-etching, some don’t. Some colours suit the appearance of “high-tech” materials, such as advanced plastics, and others don’t. We simply couldn’t make every colour available but what we have done is allow you to choose between numbers of different colours for the “Primary colour” on each and every habitat.” yet this would also indicate you are either misleading your customer base about your knowledge base or you had a fairly detailed knowledge about the process.
Also if you had almost zero knowledge in the process why on earth did you not go to one of the laser cut companies in the industry that complete work for other companies, both 4Ground and Sarrisa produce kits for other companies, surely with your limited knowledge it would have been worthwhile getting them to process your laser cut range?
You then go on to state in your update “Wave 2 laser cutting will be finished by 15th February and Wave 2 final dispatch will be 29th February. Wave 3 laser-cutting finishes on 29th February and final dispatch is by March 31st. Those dates will be met” but earlier in this conversation and in your kickstarter update you state that the reason you could not complete on time is due to the fact that you had issues that were beyond your control. It is one or the other you can either confirm a date or accept there are issues beyond your control, you cannot possibly be able to do both. What would happen if your resin caster or laser operator were sick again?
You have according to your kickstarter update only 357 orders to complete at the end of your forward base kickstarter (according to the figures given in your kickstarter update) and you are now stating that the kickstarter is only 50% though (approximate), wave one will finally complete in December, over a year after the end of the kickstarter and nine months after it finished…
Although I am fine with what I can guess is possibly your opinion of my earlier post as being “Daft” in your kickstarter update (although it could be about another post), but you go on to say that the point was that you shouldn’t forward plan a kickstarter… this is disingenuous as at no point do I say you should not forward plan a kickstarter, in fact I would be of the opposite oppinion, your current trials and tribulations would show that forward planing is vital in a kickstarter. My issue is to do with the fact you are planning on asking for more money from backers when you have currently failed to complete on your kickstarter, if your kickstarter was started after you had completed wave 3 then it would make perfect sense. The main conclusion that can be drawn as you are currently selling new kits and “If we want to start with new production in March, we need to crack-on and get a KS out now” is that you would potentially be looking at getting more cash in now to carry on funding your current kickstarter which as you state earlier in the update “to put this into a business perspective – had this been a KS for a new company, ‘just’ producing the KS items, we would now be out of business”. The other conlusion to be honest that can be drawn is that you intend to turn your business model into something like mantics in which most of your sales are always completed through kickstarter and that you will primarily be selling through kickstarter in future, in which case why would your product be carried at retail as you have already sucked a large proportion of sales out of the market.
Although your kickstarter update then goes on a little bit ramble about sanitation and things like that (only a little confusing as your current dealays according to you would not have been very much influenced by the resin caster)
You then state that “not everything goes to plan, and not every plan was a good one to start with” leading back to my point about giving concrete delivery dates?
Finally after my own long and meandering post I think that maybe you want to take a look at how you communicate to negative feedback, especially if the information you are about to disseminate is contradictory. Oh and noodleshacks are at least done by customeeple (see post below) and wamill http://www.warmill.co.uk/FoodBooth_9000/p814918_7487077.aspx yet burgers, chips and sandwich booths are in short supply, so yes this would appear to be unoriginal. Also condescendingly putting this statement “for yourself I understand that market reality is not something that you need to consider, but for a business it is” is a bit shortsighted as you have no idea what my job is or what industries I work in, for all you know I may be a wargamer that works as a head of marketing for Disney or a student working on my music degree.
also here is a link to the kickstarter update https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2097161002/forward-base-sci-fi-scenery-for-infinity-wargamers/posts/1432559
As AW have shown themselves capable of speaking for themselves I’ll not tread on their toes, though as Ronnie is unlikely to be speaking for himself here I can assure you that Mantic do not do most of their sales at KS instead of retail. Their campaigns fund production of the product and fulfilment of th pledges and they make their money and do the majority of their sales at retail
They had to complete a kickstarter to fund the book for Kings of War 2nd Edition? This seems unlikely considering the cost to produce the book to a company with over a million in assets (if unsure check out this rather lengthy companies house PDF link https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/document-api-images-prod/docs/1GGp3PfhMMLC5irJSRR7FZ-BATpVTL6P9Aa7FHaeaQA/application-pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=ASIAIR2MBQSZQ6JH3VZA&Expires=1449171193&Signature=ZvTxd3pWpqOdtd2sl4LqamQlCxw%3D&x-amz-security-token=AQoDYXdzEBga4AMIDBoWrLoCcmVDPCkKNledO9%2FNc6Y785sq5dYSdtZr7Ss21YFUC8sAcBtXTu2HwtVwnEXpCVj1se5yMWQ8G4BeZZ5RlCwDp44vn3CkXRbLCsn%2BxjpgwYjbznTwNNNQfOgkA7xhSX%2FA2k2K9n1waJV9n5GV6eWVMSboEfkZBflzJwQwW8h%2FavuCVmtwKpPQYKsIiSW93W1uLOJ%2BtpzjXQq4fiMOSNa7p5qkRVc0mGbsATMbRtYAIvnSrWeJsnUsXV2eoW9iM9F51%2B1OPCS1BAqMCKvf3bw7m9E%2FIU0eHDvK0%2F%2BcXmaZ%2BIaPmKYvePn%2BloIBtiDFxCZadzRSJor0oP8utb5D0ZCLmALRD5Gi8zvkSZyjZ%2BR8zK2QcfYOG7IBcwSSfXZVMhQzIpgANwWpaatPp8BEX7YxauTEktpz6XRnIXvg3U0fTfWxttPkhUwYh%2BplJNjadMNjoW2H4Ia%2B6RHx3v%2FLfTNtv%2BWSg0ps85XET839gi%2B0q9wUPGWBstJ9Fy%2B2%2Ff%2Fn8e9OijHT8lSPvBH3CaAVWyIYwJ6cZNwpr2GjjryQBCnlzwZD3BMtWElbxe6BbA2a0zVNwGIaWoNnsN9Lpvki8r8lYJhXS7%2B61SbOX7ECBBcrNLNrkCJWHzKuK%2Fwg9KqBswU%3D) in which case it would most likely be because a large proportion of their sales come from kickstarter as otherwise they would just produce a book.
I know that Mantic operate this way. This is not me speculating. What you choose to do with that information is up to you.
We have a strict policy about listening to feedback that starts with checks differentiating between “feedback” and “baseless ranting” and goes on to include other requirements such as “Are they from this reality?” and “OMGG is Larry Dunn at it yet again!???”
Those who fail the checks we rather tend to ignore.
What you really need to ask yourself is: “What have the Romans ever done for us…”
Glad to see that you are as mature in business as you are on the internet. This can only bode well for your future customers. Good luck with your obviously stellar ability to forward plan, I am sure you will not need to hire a consultant the next time as your abilities are obviously vast based off your recent experiences.
I like this, goes will with Relic Knight as redben said, and with Infinity. I also think his (Except the shack) could go into Ninja All stars.
With regards to lots of noodle/eating places the only ones I know of are from Customeeple http://www.customeeple.com/product/infinity-modular-buildings-yu-ying/