Weekender: Printable Scenery Interview – The Future Of Terrain Building?
May 28, 2016 by warzan
Welcome to The Weekender where we're getting stuck into a great interview with Printable Scenery about the evolution of 3D Printing within the industry and more.
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- Ridend Duke - New models ride into battle for Tor Gaming's Relics.
- Panzerfauste Battle Moles - Troglodytes mount up on Battle Moles and the Dwarves get a Bear!
- Guild Ball Hunters - Learn about Warren's fear of bears...
- Battle Foam's Silver Tower Trays - Keep your new heroes and dungeon crawling monsters safe.
- Blood Bowl Contents - Take a look at what's inside the new set from Games Workshop.
- Mitosis Miniatures' Goblyn - A nifty model and a novel concept for future sales of the miniature.
What did we miss?
Printable Scenery Interview
We got to sit down with Mat Barker from Printable Scenery to talk about their new Apocalypse Ruins Kickstarter as well as much more besides.
With the direction the industry is going in this style of creation where you hand the reins over to the customer is becoming a lot more popular (and viable).
Kickstarter Time
What's been on Kickstarter?
- CheekZ: A Hamster Battle Game - A simple card game with plenty of innuendos.
- FAITH: A Garden In Hell RPG - An utterly brilliant looking Sci-Fi world packed with interesting races and amazing artwork!
If you come and join us for XLBS on Sunday you might be in with a chance of winning a 32mm Miniature from FAITH!
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Happy Bank holiday weekend everyone.
Happy Weekend! Our holiday was last weekend but still happy for it!
Happy weekend.. @warzan has to push the buttons? What could possibly go wrong?
Cheekz looks like a fun game with tongue in cheek innuendos. Tongue in cheek? Uuuuggghhhh
It sure does!
Great weekender.
Good to see the 3d printed topic back on the show.
The interview was very good and the scenery they produce is great.
As someone who has always loved making scenery and now has a cheap 3d printer, I can say the hobby is enhanced by having it.
I can now design things that I would not normally be able to make in the quality and detail I can now. I can design the models so that they are easier to paint and now that I know the limitations of 3d printing I can design the models to get the best results.
I still use everyday objects for scenery like filler, bolsa wood, pot noodle pots (just for you Lloyd) and coffee stirrers but now they are complimented by 3d printed elements or complete structures.
As for price, you can get started with under £200 which is still a chunk of money but when you consider you can print a Sherman tank in bolt action scale for under £1 or a flames of war scale one for under 20p. Then factor in a 28mm 2 storey building for under £2 or a 15mm one for under 50p then the cost is easily recouped.
Don’t get me wrong it’s not all great, you have to be prepared to learn about maintaining and repairing the printer, you need to realise prints go wrong some times. You also need to realise that the quality especially up close is still not to the level of commercial products
but even with all that it is such a great addition to the hobby.
It opens up new options and it’s such a cool thing to have an idea or need to add a new element or model to a table or army and you just click print, come back in a while and it’s ready.
I’d like to get into laser cutting now too but that’s a bigger step of learning and one I’d like to see a show on from bow. I’d like to see one on 3d printing too especially as with Lloyds design ideas bow could give out stl files for backstagers to download.
I have a 3d printed scenery thread in backstage forums where I have been designing and printing a New York style cityscape.
Thanks for the show guys, was really interesting.
Happy weekend
great show.
Love the way Warren keeps playing with his wedding ring, you will get used to it mate 🙂
Lol im constantly fiddling with it!!
My Ring
My Wedding Ring (the lengths you gotta go to around here lol) 😉
And yes i know im one of the main culprits! 🙂
Too late… we’ve caught you doing all three over time!
To me a couple of weeks to get used to my ring. Congratulations on the wedding.
It’s the (long) weekend! Time to put a couple of Frostgrave teams together for Monday, finish some Guildball painting and prime the…
…OK, one job at a time!
The Badger hat has clearly not been peed on as the pelt is intact!
The use of urine in leather tanning was to remove the fur from the hide. You now had the leather and lots of loose fur which if short and fine enough could now be used mashed and compressed to make felt.
Mercury was discovered, in a similar manner to what Warren so eloquently describes, to be more effective at hair removal,i; can also corrupt the brain’s structure of leading to a form of dementia.
Maybe Johnny Depp has a medical excuse?
http://corrosion-doctors.org/Elements-Toxic/Mercury-mad-hatter.htm
Thanks for the mention on the Weekender. Seems live you were filming this @warzan – while we were streaming live at the school.
I made a huge blog update the other day about our Space Mission: Immigration project.
This was not a war game, no rules for fighting. Because boys will take over games and destroy stuff if there’s rules for it. The game awarded diplomacy, trade agreements and such more than anything.
A big thanks to all my wonderful colleagues who said “sure, go for it”. They made some amazing workshops for all the students thoughout the week.
There still some saved streams from the game on out youtube channel.
The rules are in the last blog post: http://www.beastsofwar.com/groups/sci-fi-gamer-town-square/forum/topic/project-exodus-teaching-through-gaming/?topic_page=5#post-161590
And you can scroll through the live streams on the youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCW6iQyY_1cpc1NJdi4oLVEw
And see close up shots and workshop products here: https://picasaweb.google.com/101366114199258465567/SpaceMissionImmigration
Thanks for a great weekender there lads. Always a nice way to spend saturday morning.
Great job mate, a great idea and looks like areal effort to put together but for all the right reasons! Hats off to you sir
Excellent stuff – where were you when I was at school?
…I know – probably a figment of your mother’s imagination in another scholl somewhere…
Yay! a mention always brightens my Saturday. WRT 3D printing, I’m glad Mat from Printable Scenery echoed my feelings about it all. There are some expensive machines out there and they’ve been around for a long time so they are high quality, but don’t feel like they are a necessity because there are unknown companies making machines that are much cheaper but have nearly as a quality print. Weirdly, the best machines in this category are dependant on where you come from in the world, because shipping is a huge cost, and so I can’t suggest one brand.
And Warren, there are printers that put colour on you prints exactly as you described, like and inkjet. If you order a model from Shapeways.com, then this is an option. And yes, we will most likely get this in our homes at some point. The colours do come out slightly “pastel” or blanched out at the moment though.
And when you mentioned how we are putting the entire human race out of a job, little did you know that that is the premise behind the entire Judge Dredd comic books. The population is so out of work and bored that they turn to crime for kicks, hence the need for super-policemen. And this from a comic book from the 70s and 80s!
I did the last Kick-starter with Printable Scenery and, Yes the models do look amazing when printed. I’m not sure what the fuss is about the technology though….. click on the stl file…. look at it in the 3d slicer….. then press print…. for me its as easy as that.
I was looking at the printable scenery kickstarter wondering what sort of 3d printer i would need but having seen the interview i think im going to take the plunge with a wanhao. Does anyone have any experience with it? It’ll be my first printer so would it be suitable?
Economies run on supply and demand. If robotics take over all of the supply and there are no longer any jobs, and people have no disposable income, then there is no demand. Without demand, there is no need for supply. Therefore there is no need for robotics to take over supply.
that only works if you assume people need a disposable income.
if there is an unlimited supply then there’s no need for disposable income to get at that stuff.
the economy would have to shift to a new tradeable resource.
You see this happening when products start as luxury items (high profit / low volume) then shift towards ‘commodity’ (low profit / high volume).
The real danger is that with no one having to think about maintaining robotics that knowledge will be forgotten and a society that has become dependent on it will eventually crash.
post scarcity society is an odd beast that is most likely held back by traditionalists who want to maintain their old power base until there’s a paradigm shift.
wiki : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-scarcity_economy
game : “Eclipse Phase” is an rpg that is set in a post scarcity society.
The cool thing is that the developers use the ‘Creative Commons license” : http://eclipsephase.com/
I’m referring to the dystopian scenario in which robots puts us all out of work and barring the tiny minority of super rich the rest of us starve to death. In that scenario there’d be no demand for the supply.
The rich won’t care they will own everything anyway 😉
Ohh and the rich don’t buy commodities so need for mass production maybe isn’t the same 🙂
Except toilet roll, mmmm maybe wiper robots?
Yes but everyone else will still need stuff, and businesses couldn’t use robots to manufacture those things if everyone is out of work and has no disposable income. They’d never sell anything and so couldn’t afford to pay for the robots. They’d have to hire people to do the jobs do those people could then buy things.
if robots put us “out of work” then we are free to pursue any other activity we want.
That’s basically what the Utopian society in Star Trek is, except they use replicators instead of robots.
The less utopian view would be that ‘putting us out of work’ would create a depraved society like in Wall-E (people too fat to move because there’s a robot for everything …) or the Eldar of 40k fame …
And at that time you’ve also succeeded in creating a form of slavery … which won’t end well for us humans once those robots either develop true intelligence. At least if SF and history teach us anything …
Following your reasoning only one part of the system changes, but the rest will stay the same. I think that will be untrue. If there is unlimited supply there is no more need for a monetary system. The rich won’t be rich anymore, because there is nothing to define their richness.
A dystopian thing that might happen is limitations on access to the abundance of resources. If ‘the rich’ own the robots they might deny certain groups of people access to the resources to remain in control.
The whole post-scarcity discussion is even more mindbending than regular capitalist economic theory.
I don’t think making terrain will be a dying art for a long, long time. I would say that if anything 3D printing will make it more common, like they may have a roof and so on but they may just by some fur to glue to the roof to PVA on and then PVA over so that it looks like it is a thatched roof. Or in the case of the futuristic stuff they will add little bits be that the rubble, or like the scattered refuse of the town like garbage bags thrown out fridges, or whatever. Just adding those little touches to make it there’s much like painting today, people do that little thing to make the mini theirs.
What’s happened to the sound? Very low quality.
Also On @warzan ‘s lovely morbidly fun conversation about the no job future, his not talking non-sense some very smart people have thought about this. And here is their best speaker laying it out.
https://youtu.be/7Pq-S557XQU
Personally I don’t think it will happen in that way for very very complicated reasons, but I think that is really fun to think about. Just thinking hmm that would be an interesting alternate future! (don’t go down the rabbit hole, don’t follow Alice have fun instead 😀 )
As was said, 3d printing for hobby purposes will only be a niche use of the technology – it’s been mature in other uses for a while.
10 years ago I had problems with my jaw. Eventually my head was scanned, a 3d model of some new prosthetic joints developed, 3d print produced of parts of my skull. The prosthetics were engineered and the surgeon used those and my skull print to prepare for the op.
It’s not the mass production market that benefits, it is the niche and even one-offs that justifies it.
At the moment I’d probably need to be thinking of spending about £450~500 on scenery for a project to justify a new printer. If f had several projects on the go that’s more feasible, but I’m not there yet.
Warzan…thanks for the New Zealander references… Bushwhackers and is that a golden Kiwi you had on your shirt?
Surely those hunters were based on Grizzly Adams and his pet bear called Ben, not Davy Crockett?
Great video again guys, I kind of like the chaos that comes with Warren at he helm.
I was just the trained monkey pressing buttons 😉
@warzan seems to have an unhealthy interest in the Ridend mounts!
@torgaming They are majestic 😉
Imagine a giant one charging head first at you; the power and that magnificent twitching they are renowned for… Terrifying 😀
I even don’t have a 3d printer, but I backed their first Kickstarter (then borrowed a friend’s printer and printed two of those buildings with great results).
I am totally considering backing the new Kickstarter, too.
I got an Ultimaker 2 about six months ago to try and make some proper 28mm spacecraft to fight in for Infinity and the like. I got the Printable Scenery stuff on the way and it’s really nice quality stuff.
One of the most interesting things I’ve hit so far has been the process to design your own 3D meshes- I came from zero 3D design skills and picked up Blender (free) and was extruding 2D textures for instant 3D detail on surfaces within a couple of days. Getting it to print nicely is a bit more work but the potential is amazing once you get the process down.
You could knock out a bunch of custom themed bases in no time from your own 2D bump maps, and there are a ton of procedural texture tools out there for videogame assets you can play with to get that ideal surface texture for some hitech crates or whatever.
Some good examples of what you can do with the approach are here:
http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?273033-Sculpting-with-UVs-and-displacements
Great post! thank you 🙂
It’s all your fault I got the Ultimaker anyway…
My 3d printed terrain, all in various states of painting
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Great show, fun to see Lloyd and Warren hosting together again.
3D printing does seem to be within grasp now, maybe next year for me.
Hi guys,
I backed the earlier Printable Scenery kickstarter and the files received looks great. haven’t made the plunge yet to buy a 3d printer, mainly because of some other stuff I need to finish first but will do so in the next half year. Still undecided between the Wanhao i3 and the Original Prusa i3 MK2.
On the art of terrain making, I think this is just another tool allowing you to do certain things better and faster then before. Esspecially brickwork etc.. Also it is going to be a lot easier to share files with each other and benefit from each others labor. But it is going to be complementary and not replacing the old techniques.
Cheers,
For example next time you guys have a boot camp and make terrain for Warrenia instead of paper printable terrain you can then share the .stl files and all the backstagers can make the same table as you played on.
Game designer’s challenge for mega-games or educational games?!
@warzan I saw the perfect shirt that will go with your bear phobia. It said, “What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger. Except bears. Bears will kill you.” 🙂
good show guy’s
Another great show, in fact I’m doing some modding on the side and found myself doing what Warren does, clasping and rubbing my hands at some progress and excitement. Weeeheheheee!
The XLBS topic of a healthy hobby has intrigued me a lot! Specially about spending, time spent on the rights thing and having a direction or goal.
Cheers! Until Sunday
@warzan We absolutely live in a sci-fi world and technology development hasn’t slowed down one bit. You make a living posting videos on a network of tubes and lies that millions of people have access to, most using a little device that fits in their pocket. Stuff we dreamed about as kids is now widely accessible to the fortunate parts of the world we live in.
Printable scenery, what a topic, what an awesome topic, wow blew me away totally. The fact that they are becoming to a level of price where it may even make sense for a club or group to get one of these things. I am at the same time rather P’d off thatI was not younger to understand more, I just think I am up to speed and find myself lightyears away again. Absolutely fantastic show guys, Although I know it was not a backstager it was one of the best shows I have seen in some time if not the best, that includes when Oriskany and I did the WWDDC the other year. In point of fact I shall be watching this one again with note book and pen for questions to be raised. Thank you people you made a crap week great.
Good hunting
Chris G
Good morning all,
Everybody spread your Cheekz for Warren 🙂
Love the 3D printable stuff can’t wait to be able to get a printer myself or possibly for the club. As to the rate of technology change. I grew up watching Star Trek TOS. Yes it was inspirational but look around you. Your cell phone is a communicator and tricorder wrapped in one. Look at the advances in TV tech, medical tech, and Military tech. Hell my first car had an 8 track player in it, now we store music digitally. It may not be the world of the Jetson’s that everybody expected, but we are getting there.
living in Northern Ontario and seeing bear fairly often NONE have had amour. And are not that scary really.
@warzan China are already printing buildings in concrete
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WzmCnzA7hnE&feature=youtu.be
@warzan I live in Portrush so I’ll keep an eye out for polar bears along the coast line. Also, before we moved to Portrush my girlfriend worked in the Ulster Museum and the mad hatter story was one of her favourites stories when taking tours. Another story she told the visitors was about the element antimony. The Victorians would ingest it to help with constipation but because its non-digestible they would *ahem* re-use it.
Lol awesome 🙂
You can spend just a few hundred for a Makerbot knockoff that can print a 4″ cube volume, or you can spend a bit more for a larger volume, or you can build your own printer for 2′ cubic volume if you know robotics and electronics. The industry is wide open to innovation.
So I saw the part on 3d printing and sent the link to the page to my DAUGHTER and right after that Warren starts talking about spreading cheeks….
😕
I definitely think 3d printing is the way of the future. I do have to disagree and say that terrain making is already a dying hobby. Look at White Dwarf or Gamesday over the last 10 or so years. We went from hand crafted tables to Realms of Battle Boards and plastic kits. 90% of the hobby for me is terrain building, but it really isn’t nearly as prevalent as it used to be.
I’m glad that you asked the question of the cost to 3D print a terrain piece. It put it into a very positive perspective. I guess my next question would be the price of various future files.
I’ll say this on today’s comment, so as not to jinx my prospect of winning the Faith figure tomorrow. Like the scene with the Navigator character in the first Dune movie that had tubes going from the side of his head into his nose, why does the model have hoses running from the crack of his posterior up into his helmet. I know this is anthropomorphizing, but is his flatulence beneficial to recycle?
I like the concept of printable scenery but the thought of making modular towns at a number of scales is intriguing. You could fight the same battles at operational/tactical (2-3mm) grand tactical (6mm) tactical (15mm) then skirmish level 28-54mm).
It’s a shame the plastic is not reusable 😉
Hi Guys, These are the 2 printers that we used to print the models you see here. Its a Wanhou Duplicator i3 and a Prusa i3. They are both awesome printers
http://shop.prusa3d.com/en/3d-printers/59-original-prusa-i3-mk2-kit.html
http://wanhaousa.com/collections/3d-printers/products/duplicator-i3-steel-frame
Matt
Another great weekend, Relic 2.0 ftw!! After watching the Labyrinth again recently and for the first time with the kids it really does get you in the creative mood and Relic have really captured that style nicely.
Also for the first time looked at 3d printers after watching this
OK you talk about robots but manufacturing is already automated for example 2.5 million beverage bottle (yep beer bottles) per day , every day, with only a dozen odd people present – (and not a robot in sight) mostly highly qualified compared to 70 years ago when hundreds were employed to turn out a faction of that number at a much lower quality.. But we need those beer bottle right – As for jobs – I would have thought your jobs would be safe – how on earth would robots ever replace you folks at BoW??? not gonna happen!! And the more automation, the more time to design, paint and play games!! bring it on…
My legs are sore because I can’t stop jammy dancing 🙂 Thank-you Awaken Realms and Beasts of War for the amazing This War of Mine prize !!!
Happy weekend 🙂
I like the discussion about the 3d printing. Makes one think.
I’m lucky enough to have won a copy of Cheekz, so I can’t wait to grab Andy’s Cheekz when the KS is over. 😀
Knowing the filament for 3D printing is cheap is good to hear, but you still have to finish the prints off (more so for figures than terrain which benefits from a rough texture). But cost of a printer today is way to expensive! For terrain I could buy loads of textured sheets of styrene and make my own buildings. If there was a decent printer for £50, same as my own decent high dpi ink printer, then I’d consider it. But that’s my own budget constraints and what I think is a decent honest price for things these days.
Well – an interesting alignment of various interests has occurred ( for me ) with the interview with Mat Barker on the Weekender.
First – I do 3D computer animations ( with Lightwave ) and have a few projects I’m considering turning into STLs for printing ( all astronomy & telescope related ).
Second – While starting to look into (3D printing) I bumped into an old friend, who just happens to have several 3D Printers and who is interested in helping me out.
Third – I went “all in” for the “Blood & Plunder” kickstarter, so when I saw the Frigate model – well that sold me! I guess I’m into Apocalypse Scenery Kickstarter too ( my poor bank account 🙂
Great show.
I have backed the 2 previous campaings from printable scenary and I love the models. I am already onboard of the third one. I hava a prusa i3 steel and I don’t pull a piece taht sice on 2 hours, morla like 6-8 but i really preffer printing slower as in my set up it greatly increased the final quality
Great show guys @warzan the hippo is the U-boat of the animal world you floating down the river happily paddling away then your boat is blasted out from under you as a hippo shoot up though the arse of it, is beaver not warmer on your head keeps the ears warm as well?
The dungeon doors look great, @lloyd & folks most if not all have said to their other half at some point that’s not rubbish that’s my stoke for scenery? Can’t beat a game where you get others to nibble on your nuts as others watch?
My “we’re living in the future” moment was quite recent – and really mundane – I bought trainers on the train, using my phone.
Nice!
Great show guy`s and nice to have Warren back, and don`t we know it……………Giant Cock`s and CheekZ spreading, but then again it would`t be the same with out Warren being there.
Printable Scenery seem`s to be the future of gaming, but for me it`s a bit out of my price range. It does not mean i`ll never go down that road, it just mean`s for the foreseeable future it`s not gonna happen.
Happy to see Blood Bowl making a come back, not played in a long time, but maybe i could see me taking it up again. Still got a lot of the old team`s and the box game, so no need to run out and but a copy.
I`m liking the look of Chaska and Seenah, would consider getting them but only to paint and display not for gaming.