Weekender: Win Wild West Exodus Starters & THREE New Games From GW!
February 23, 2019 by deltagamegirl22
Welcome to The Weekender where we're going to be getting stuck into some chats with Warcradle about what they've been up to and more from the wider world of tabletop gaming.
Weekender Podcast Download
Remember to get stuck into the comments below and tell us what you think of any of the topics we raised this week on the show.
Updates
We kick off with some updates as John gets stuck into an Oil War Hobby VLOG series. You can see Part One of that right now, giving you an insight into the armies he is going to be building and painting.
We also have Dawn & Gianna with us today talking about what you can expect from AdeptiCon this year including coverage of all the main seminars and more.
News
Let's get stuck into some news from this week...
- Three New Games - We take a look at three new projects from Games Workshop
- New Commissar - Did you manage to get your hands on the new Severina Raine?
- Frostgrave Wizards - Would you do a Build A Wizard competition?
- Rough Nights & Hard Days - We check out a new supplement coming for Warhammer Fantasy Role-Play
- Bat-Boxes - Which villain will you be playing as in the Batman Miniatures Game?
What caught your eye from this week's news?
Chatting With Warcradle
Justin got to sit down with the folks from Warcradle to discuss what's happening with their games, the shows they attended last year and what some of their plans are for this year too. It's a neat update on what they have planned.
Kickstarter
We take a peek at two Kickstarters this week...
- Into The Dead - Adapted from the digital game, PikPok look to bring more zombies to the tabletop
- Alone 2nd Printing - In this Many Vs 1 game, you'll be trying to survive the shadows and darkness!
Are you tempted by these projects?
Competition - WIN 2x Wild West Exodus Starter Sets
We're hoping to get you into some Wild West Exodus thanks to Warcradle this week. As always if you have entered a competition before make sure to check the Prize Claim Form and CLAIM YOUR PRIZE!
If you are friends with one of the winners make sure to also notify them!
Have a great weekend!
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Happy Weekend!
Let’s get stuck in….
Youtube: https://youtu.be/E7vVrzAXRlY
(As you were first DC!)
No politics this week. Or video apparently.
Probably.
Possibly.
Maybe?
Happy Weekend!!!
Ah ha! No vid appears on this post… switching to You Tube!
Er video ??? please *sniffles like the pathetic wretch that he is* I don’t like that “youse toob” I want to stay here were people are snuggly and have a slightly musky smell
It’s the Weekend!!
Currently without the Weekender. I noted problems with the site yesterday afternoon/evening.
YouTube link:~ https://youtu.be/E7vVrzAXRlY
@warzan re your concerns over YouTube algorithms… They’re happy to pepper your video with ads for “World of WARships” !?!
So interestingly in both the studio discussion and the original post, no-one is overly exercised by Severina’s foot-on-rock pose!
It’s cleverly not a rock but a chunk of metal
I’m waiting for foot on reinforced concrete for the best of both worlds
And metal came from ore…so foot on processed rock.
Unless ‘Into the Dead’ has some mind-blowing, innovative game-play to hook me then I’m afraid it’s “Zzzzzzzzzz-zombies… meh… zzzzzzzz!”
Happy Saturday/Weekend! Really like those Frostgrave Wizards. Will be great to see what people do with them.
sorry about that folks video is in now
hoping we have fixed the 500 errors too!
#roughnight
Hopefully you woke up feeling #hardToday
LOL
#sorrymary
Beasts for War is getting weird!.
Mary Whitehouse stares down with her disapproving state. We have Warren ‘Barry Took’ Johnson presenting Points of View. Will see the return of Its a Knockout with Gerry doing his best Eddie Waring impression as members of the team and guests get dressed in big foam suits and try to build and paint miniatures while having water and foam fired at them.
Maybe Lloyd could restart Jackanory and read excerpts from various rulesets for 5 minutes each day
Anyway I’m going to start organising food. Chicken in a basket followed by Angel Delight I think,or maybe a Vesta curry might be the thing
lol
enjoy the retro mate 😉
i love the idea of the jackanory, but isn’t that covered with john and warzans little of topic rambles in the unboxings and weekender? ( i’m not old enough to remember it exactly sorry:) )
The designer of the Commissar popped into the museum I work in in Nottingham to have a look at our old costume trench coats. He was very secretive about what he was designing but I guessed it was something Guard related. He sent me an image when it was announced thanking me for the costume help which was nice.
fantastic story mate! brilliant lol 🙂
Cool side story. A little brush with history in the gaming world
Love those wwx posses great sculpts!
Happy Weekend!
@warzan great show but just out of curiosity what happened to points of view this week…. I was really looking forwaard to that one I can tell you ??
lol
theres a story to tell on that next week 😉
Lol I bet there is….
There goes another 30 mins of our lives watching PoV we’re never getting back!
Pretty sure female Commissars pre-date the more male-centric organisation of the Militarum Tempestus and Commissariat. Hell, Dan Abnett had a female Commissar-General in one of the early Gaunt’s Ghosts books, and one of the Tanith’s burgeoning corps of Commissars is a woman. There are even a number of female Tempestus Scions who turn up. I think the Ciaphas Cain books (specifically the one set during his retirement) specified that whilst the teachers at the Schola’s that orphaned children of Imperial officials are sent to tend to be drawn from Commissars, Adeptus Soritas and other the like, and are grouped into classes by gender, that does not define where they eventually end up in Imperial service…
What I’m trying to say is I dig the Severina Raine model and hope it’s a sign of more proportionate gender representation in the model range:)
Female commissars may well predate the Militarum Tempestus in fiction, but
a) The Militarum Tempestus are the re-imaging of old Imperial Guard Stormtroopers so pretty much everything is older than them as they were only re-imagined into existence in 2014 and
b) I wouldn’t know because I don’t read game fiction (I’m such an elitist snob).
However, they really don’t pre-date the Schola Progenium and Commissar Training Squads as detailed in issue 115 of White Dwarf (July ’89) by Nigel Stillman and Sean Masterson.
However I suspect it is the first Sisters of Battle codex that Sturmbannführer Gerry is recollecting so fondly,
“By the time the Progena reaches early adolescence they will have displayed skills in a certain direction and their tutelage to the age of sixteen will focus on these talents and hone the pupil to a career in one of the Imperial organisations. Most of the Progena will end up in the Adeptus Terra as scribes, clerks or overseers. However, a few will be assigned to higher positions. Male Progena may become Commissars in the Imperial Guard, petty officers in the Imperial Navy or enter the priesthood itself and become a Preacher or Dean (a subordinate to a Deacon). Female Progena may well be entered into the Adeptus Sororitas. Progena of both sexes may be recruited into the Inquisition of even the Officio Assassinorum. It is a great honour to pass through the Schola Progenium and those who do are well aware of their privilege.”
So no, not every boy became a Commissar, but girls didn’t, and not every girl became a Battle Sister, but boys didn’t.
You can argue the toss as to the merits of this for as long as you like, I only report the facts (ma’am).
All that being said, I don’t mind Katey-Bob in the least, and look forward to seeing her male counterpart in heels and bewb-plate come Christmas.
In ‘Cains Last Stand’ one of the Commissar cadets in the class he was teaching was female.
I asked on the Warhammer community fb page, the Commissar model will be available online, just as last years Eisenhorn model is still available.
Already several copes availabble on fleaBay… allegedly! Some already pro-painted!!
It is def available online, i just pre-ordered mine from the GW website. Also Eisenhorn is available as well (at least on the UK store).
Batman knight models set came out when they started to multicast plastics (Batman / Gordon GCSP / Suicide Squad)
https://www.knightmodels.com/en/batman-miniature-game/batman-starter-set.html
https://www.knightmodels.com/en/batman-miniature-game/commissioner-gordon-gcpd-swat-team.html
https://www.knightmodels.com/en/batman-miniature-game/suicide-squad.html
I visited the local (Dunedin, New Zealand) Warhammer store near closing today (Saturday) and they had about 5 copies of Commissar Severina Raine left, though they are selling for NZ$65 – so halve that and you get a rough price in pounds.
I had a look at a friend’s copy and it’s very nice, a lot better than the old finecast used to.
If I didn’t have a mound of plastic shame awaiting me, I might cave in to the temptation…There is still hope that I won’t cave….Not a lot, but some.
I will certainly add Severina Raine to my Guard Kill Team ?
I find the sculpt really exceptional and for the first time in a long while I ordered a GW figure the day of its release.
I’m tempted by Into The Dead although I actually must have lived under a rock as I wasn’t aware of the mobile game but thanks to @warzan I got now second thoughts as I’d mainly be getting it for the minis.. doh!
I’m looking forward to seeing the show tomorrow and it’s great to to hear moderns will be getting some love ?
Also great seeing Dawn & Gianna ?
Great show lads and ladies, really enjoyed it. Some points: The three GW games are, like last years boardgame release at the same show, are only available in large US retail stores, think of them as GW’s version of “Snag a Normie”.
I like the new Commissar … I hope she is more broardly released later (if for no other reason I want last year’s model Inquisitor Eisenhorn, really badly)
Frostgrave and their excellent plastic kits (they seriously don’t have one dud) have been tempting me for some time … this might just be the kit that pushes me over the edge.
Warcradle , I love these blokes, since you had the big WWX release at the end of 2017 I have been buying up tonnes of there stuff and hanging around their (for me) all too infrequent Q&A live streams … thier last one I asked 5 questions of and got all answered ( yes even the silly one when I was being a smart @rse … hangs head in shame… yes the cheese wheel question was me … sighs). They are now one of the three game companies that I support above all others. they are a great bunch of lads.
And the only game of that Batman system that I played was gang on gang .. it was a hoot
Happy weekend! Lovely to see Dawn and Gianna on the weekender!
Good to hear that “historicals” are making a comeback at Adepticon. I know Historicon is the big show for the historical side of things, but there’s been almost no showing at Adepticon in recent years.
the models from the hour of the wolf box look so good in that paint scheme!
Yea, yea, WWE is great, DW is great, but I want Firestorm Armada back!
Wizards sleeve, how did you sneek that one past Mary?
I second the vote on ICE CREAM!!! @brennon & @avernos doesn’t sound that appetizing though…
I’m looking forward to a functioning game for Dystopian Wars. The Dystopian universe is quite interesting and I look forward to seeing how they integrate land and sea battles. The miniatures they are producing for WWX are A grade too. I’m keeping a close watch on Warcraddle.
I agree
Definately a very commited studio and one to watch.
I have enjoyed seeing their passion and hard work this week. Very impressive team.
I’ll have to look at into the dead. The Wild West exodus starter sets look fun. Looking forward to Dystopian Wars
Great prize – haven`t tried second edition yet- lovely minis
Only need to ding the dong once? I’ve dinging it several times daily.
Wait, what? @avernos is doing the tech in this video? What black magic has happened here?! oO
I just had a random thought. Reskin Alone with Die Hard. Many guys trying to track down and kill Joh McClean in the building, but they don’t know where he is either, just where the bodies have been piling up. Theres a communal board, the “terrorists” have a shared secret board and John has his own secret board. The Terrorsist control the environment much like in Alone, but maybe each has their own character or two as well.
Happy weekend.
Great show as always
Cool T-shirt @avernos
Wasn’t there a female cadet in the Ciaphas Cain book set during the 13th black crusade?
And think there have been a bunch in Gaunts ghosts.
@warzan – I think it was my comment you were referring to re: oil wars participants, so just to clarify: if you want a proper Soviet force involved, then Syria is the most reasonable way for this force to access Iraq. Syria is a Soviet client state (there was even a Syrian Cosmonaut at one stage) and hosts a big Mediterranian port. I haven’t read the Oil Wars book and I doubt the USSR ever had a full army in Syria in real life, but it would have been easy to do if they’d wanted. Syria then gives a route for the Soviet force to approach and enter northern Iraq.
@avernos As I said, I haven’t seen the Oil Wars book so maybe they’ve redrawn the map to give the USSR and Iraq a land border but I’d be surprised. For the USSR to invade they’d need to go through Iran or NATO ally Turkey, and either of which would significantly change the dynamics of the war I would guess.
My main reason for saying do Iran however was nothing to do with the practicalities of justifying a fight. It’s that it just seems a shame to pick a conflict in the Middle East and then not use Middle Eastern participants.
I agree, @angelicdespot – Turkey (a full NATO member, with the largest standing army in NATO except the US) is a pretty powerful block against direct Soviet intervention into Iraq.
However, as we saw at Team Yankee boot camp, when it comes to alternate military history … where there’s a will there’s a way. 😀
If we’re using mid-1980s as a starting point, the Soviet Union actually shares THREE borders with Iran, the Caucasus, Turkmenistan SSR, and Afghanistan, since the Soviet war in Afghanistan was of course already ongoing at the time. Of course the 1980-88 Gulf War between Iran and Iraq was also already in full swing, and the Israelis and Syrians were pretty heavily involved in the Second Lebanese Civil War and the aftermath of 1982 Peace for Galilee.
Throw in the alternate history aspect, of course. 😀 Iran at the time was a US enemy (the fall of the Shah and the Iranian Hostage Crisis and the disaster of Op Eagle Claw were only 4-5 years past), which sort of made Saddam’s Iraq a US ally at the time (feels strange typing that). Assuming the Iran-Iraq War was still in progress, the Soviets could “soft-invade” Iran from the north, “intervening at their request” to help against the Iraqis.
The fundamentalist element in Iran and its opposition to 1980s Marxist-Leninism could be neutralized. Perhaps the US assassinates Khomeni, or the Soviets do and blame it on the US. With the Soviets in Iran, the Iraqis are doomed to lose, so the Americans have to come in to help the Iraqis to keep the Soviets out of the Persian Gulf.
As for Syria, we have a border with Iraq. Iraqi armored brigades were in action in Syria along the Golan Heights in 1973, and also mobilized to help in 1967 (I don’t think they saw action). So there’s no reason the reverse can’t happen, with Syria sending forces into Iraq (with Soviet support, perhaps in the form of VVS airmobile units).
Why Syria would intervene against Sunni-aligned Iraq, allied WITH Shi’a aligned Iran, is admittedly a tough sell, and the weakest point of this proposed scenario. Still, I feel it’s doable. As you say correctly, there’s the fact that Syria is a Soviet client state. We’ve had to knock the edge off Iranian fundamentalism to get the Soviet intervention to work. US support if Israel this close after 1982 Peace for Galilee might push Assad into turning against Hussein after he accepts US aid against the Iranians and the intervening Soviets.
In the end, this gives us USSR + Iran + Syria vs. US + Iraq – probably more than enough to facilitate some epic tank gaming! 😀
Now this would be a vast and messy war, but even very big Team Yankee scenarios only have a battalion or so on a side. So while we’re using Middle Eastern participants, as you suggest, scenarios could be drawn up where only US or Soviet forces are actually on the table, or Iraqis and Syrians, or really any smaller-scale tactical scenario the team feels is best.
Just some ideas. 😀
@oriskany –
“Why Syria would intervene against Sunni-aligned Iraq, allied WITH Shi’a aligned Iran, is admittedly a tough sell, and the weakest point of this proposed scenario.”
This is all a bit before my time, but the Syrian and Iraqi Ba’ath regimes fell out with each other quite some time ago. My understanding is that the Syrian regime allied with the Iranians during the Iran-Iraq war, and I think they cooperated with the international coalition during the first Gulf War.
Also remember that while Syria is majority Sunni, the Syrian Ba’athist leadership is Allawite (i.e. sort of Shia). Although I don’t think religion / sectarianism is really what’s important here. The Syrians and Iranians saw each other as valuable strategic allies in real life – no ‘alternative history to facilitate a wargame’ required.
I’m not saying you should accept all of this without doing any further research, but I think a Soviet-Syrian connection is pretty easy to work with and a Syrian-Iranian alliance – if needed for the purposes of setting up a game – is quite doable too.
Awesome, @angelicdespot , and thanks. I had no worries about Syrian-Soviet cooperation, but the Syrian-Iranian connection vis-a-vis the Iraq-Iran Gulf War was unknown to me. I guess I should have made some kind of thread-like connection in the wake of Peace for Galilee / Lebanon, with Hezbollah –> supported by Iran –> also fought alongside Syrian Army in the 82 war and the long Lebanon conflict that followed.
But hey, thanks for the heads up. So the weakest part of the scenario wasn’t as weak as I thought, if only through a lucky guess on my part (even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while, I guess). 😀
Also, I agree that this is probably not what’s important in a Team Yankee campaign, but as they say, narrative is an important part of wargaming, and in alternative history, suspension of disbelief needs (I feel) at least a crumb of credibility to allow it.
In any event, I feel we have enough bread crumbs to make a big enough mess for Team Yankee Oil War. 😀
The Batman Miniatures game is not particularly focussed on Batman vs Bad Guys. It’s open skirmish with any faction vs any faction, Batman just being one of the factions. It’s actually a pretty good game though it can clutch up a bit with some of the more powerful characters and the number of special rules you have to remember. The biggest thing missing from the starter boxes are the lamp posts, sewer tokens and objectives. These play an important part of the game and both sides get to place them as part of setup. Would be great to see you guys try the game and see what you think.
Morning (or I guess it’s afternoon) all, glad to see the sites back in action
@warzan, you let Justin ding your dong in the intro?
I think the Commissar model is a well designed and sculpted model. You won’t catch me virtue signaling about “Proportional representation” or any other PC Marxist rubbish. What i care about is a) Is the mini good? and b) Is the lore behind the mini sound?
I will definitely be picking up the book as i am an avid reader of the black library and i would love to read the story of this character. I would love to see some fluff that shows interaction with Severina Raine and the Sisters of Battle.
The guys at Warcradle are awesome and as i said in a previous comment they are the first company to actually get me excited over the prospect of a navel game.
Looking forward to the XLBS tomorrow, thanks for your hard work as ever guys.
Why do the commisars have to have Soviet era hats. I know, kommissar but still, gets A bit tedious
In the fluff it’s because that’s part of their uniform; in numerous book Ciaphas Cain gripes about how he’s jealous that guardsmen get to wear helmets while he has to wear a peaked cap. It’s the same reason they all wear greatcoats and sashes.
Another great show guys. Love the look of those new Exodus miniatures especially the Discordant Symphony. Great Game.
i just love WWE models, the sculpts are amazing and the game play is really nice
I have played 40k since 87 no longer try to keep up or even follow their releases that much. mehhh
Some lovely models featured in today’s show. The WWX stuff looks great as always. Looking forward to seeing more.
There is Warzan waxing lyrically about GW board games with Dreadfleet dangerously over his head
Warcradle is kicking arse with their new version of WWX. We have a league growing here. The only difficulty is getting the minis in the states. And international shipping is a beast.
Happy Saturday!
@warzan – I must admit I was a little confused by your take on the games like Combat Arena and Stormvault. It might be a lack of information about them, but these are games created to go into places like Barnes & Noble and so on. Places filled with “normies” that might never otherwise have the opportunity to stumble on the GW worlds. These seem, to me at least, to be GW trying to snag as many potential gamers as possible.
For those of us who surround ourselves with tabletop gaming all the time, I think it can be all too easy to see every decision made by publishers as needing to affect us in some way. Sometimes it can be good for us to step back and take ourselves out of the equation to see the potential.
Of course, I think your hypothesis on GW wanting to provide a closed environment is a good one, I just don’t think that these products are designed for “us”.
Just my two cents, of course 🙂
Absolutely Dave but it’s a strange choice from both a model and a narrative perspective as I wouldn’t consider either of these to have a simple enough concept to be particularly suited as gateways.
Youd need a fair amount of knowledge of the lore to identify those characters etc and what motivates them 🙂
Would be good to see an unboxing of those games that included a portion as to how well the presenters thought the product acted as an introduction to the universe involved.
Could also just be GW trying to make some more money….. Nah, that would never happen 😉
I think that’s my point, though. If you’ve never seen it before, they are simply cool images and cool models that you are attracted to before you even now what faction they belong to, or that there are even different factions. We (gaming veterans) can look at it and wonder why a Techpriest would fight a servitor or a Sanctioned Psyker, but for someone with no context, it’s a game with cool looking art and models that they might be attracted to. It’s an easier sell once the full context is stripped away.
The concept for Combat Arena is “fighting in an arena”, and the concept for Stormvault appears to be “adventurers search for treasure”. Both of those don’t feel complex to me. I think it’s probably a good idea that GW are exploring the use of models other than Space Marines in these “potential gamer” recruitment tools. They’ve done Space Marine games in the past and will no doubt do them again in the future.
The thing I’m curious about is how many hobbyists we’ll find in 20 years who point to Combat Arena as their first contact with the hobby much as folks of our age point to Heroquest or Space Crusade. 🙂
that’s what I’m wondering too 🙂
personally I think the models and concepts behind their backstories are too complex and perhaps even too dark for them to be effective introductions.
it doesn’t matter if they’ve done it before KISS is an important component in recruitment. and good vs evil is a universal concept that doesn’t take much explaining 🙂
Understood. Next time I get a chance to ask someone who might have been involved in their creation, I’ll pose those questions. Good chat. I always enjoy your take on things, even when it differs from my own 😉
lol no problem mate it’s always a pleasure 🙂
Awesome weekender as usual guys!
Great to see both Dawn and Gianna across fron the states. On the whole commisar Raine model I reallt like her, its great to see more female miniatures appearing though I do wish they’d bring out some ‘troop’ choices rather than characters. If there was a mixed milirarum box set released al a Ciaphas Cain I’d buy them all!
Good to hear from the guys over at warcradle too, awesome company and great models. I’m very interested to see what comes of D-wars after seeing a few teaser models at shows last year.
*had a post typed up but had to step away from my phone for a bit and when I came back the page decided to auto refresh and ate up what I’d written, so having to retune what I can from memory ? *
New games – it’s nice to see with these more female minis as aside from SoB most armies have had few if any female minis (granted most armies in 40k are marines, but still).
New Commissar – kinda disappointed we haven’t gotten a Ciaphas Cain (HERO OF THE IMPERIUM!!!) mini (there was a limited edition display/collectors piece a while back, but it’d be nice to have an up to date one, preferably with Jurgan in tow), but it is nice to see a new female mini, and agreed with @warzan that it’s nice to see one that’s not sexualised, so can’t complain too much. And hate to break it to you @avernos but there’s been female commissars for awhile now; there was at least one in the Gaunt’s Ghosts books and there were some mentioned in the Ciaphas Cain series (in the book set during the 13th Black Crusade/the EoT campaign, where he’s an instructor at the Schola Progenium on Perlia a female cadet is specifically mentioned as one of his top cadets).
Gang turf war for Batman sounds good, especially if you did it map based with a map of the various areas of Gotham. In this case it’d be nice to see the GCPD ‘gang’ used something like the Arbites gang was in Necromunda as a GM gang for the Arbitrator running the campaign. In which case I think Batman&Co would be best used as NPCs/an X factor that the criminal gangs need to be wary of.
*end of old comments, I think ^^;*
Idea I’ve just had that I’d love to see – how about a Let’s Play/Pub Crawl of that new WHFRP book by you guys? Would be fun to watch (not sure if with or without actual beer would be more fun though ?). Would offer to GM it for you except a) I’m located all the way over in rainy old Wales, not sunny old Ireland and b) I don’t have enough experience with 4th ed to be confident running s game on camera lol.
Mobile telephone devices? That’s a Tardis right?
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Does ‘Into the Dead’ have anything to do with ‘The Walking Dead’? Obviously they both involve zombies, but there’s something about the design/font of the logo/title that looks a lot like tWD to me for some reason (of course I know next to nothing about either so I could be talking out my ass about this).
Many vs One – how long before @warzan adapts this so he can play a game where his kids gang up on him in a dungeon crawl? 😉
Johns two grand’s worth of Army’s ?
Lol Bob the butt kicker.
I would like to get my hands on ‘Bob’ the commissar, but only if it’s at a reasonable price (and ebay scalpers can go *mary whitehouse* themselves).
None of the new GW games look exciting… still waiting for that fantasy kill team to manifest itself.
Is there going to be ‘wizardess’ sprue? Because that looks like male only…
And I really need to finish painting my WWX outlaws, cowboys and injuns (I know… it’s not the PC name, but when I was a kid it was cowboys and injuns… not cow-persons and native americans)
The releases for WWX just keep getting better. This new enlighten one will have a really fun playstyle.
Great show. Was great seeing some US perspective on set with the ladies visiting. =)
Can’t wait to see what Warcraddle has planned for WWX, and I’m hoping the Classics range gets expanded. There are quite a few models that I wanted to get that I can’t find anymore.
Gnomes are garden guardians @warzan ?
Are you having problems with the new 3D printer @warzan
A great show Guy’s alone an into the dead are sounding good.
I am hoping someone can ask the guys at Warcradle if they would consider going to AdeptiCon or other miniature heavy conferences and provide organized play. IMHO, that would bring more people into the system.
Into The Dead had a great chance to bring people into the industry, but those price points are high and will only have the hard core gamers pledging. Thus, this is why they have yet to be funded. Given the two Alone is a better value from a known publisher.
@Ben — I hope you might consider a Rangers of Shadow Deep VLOG,
Never tried the WWX, but the minis look gorgeous.
Personally I think GW already have just barely crossed the line when it comes to over-saturating the market. It is difficult to follow it all and that is a bit of a turn off. They should slow little down and let more time between new releases so we can actually appreciate something better and for some time before they start hyping up a new game/box/etc
Im really glad that the commissar isn’t a big boob bikini girl and I am glad to see a move away from the 90’s image of Lara Croft in war-games. Not for any feminist reasons or anything like that, I still enjoy seeing big boob bikini girls in games when I deem it to be appropriate. just when its an infantry based game the guys and gals are all wearing the same kit and at 50 yards will look the same with some slightly noticeable differences namely proportions, just like different weapons etc. I enjoy the strive for equality if that is actually seeking equality (which in my opinion/experience feminism does not). I expect and want men and woman to be maimed equally in my war-games, and I love uniformity so for me that means men and women wearing the same kit in the same role getting killed just the same way. Now, redo the Imperial Guard range and put a 50:50 mix of men and women in it, for in the grim dark, there are no blue or pink jobs, only war….
As a side note, if you look closely at the Star Wars Legion range you will find a close to 50:50 balance of men and women in the same units, except for stormtrooper squads, they appear to be entirely made up of females beneath the armour :p
That plastic wizard kit looks amazing, you could probably do the whole band from Roy Woods onwards…
(Thanks Wikipedia for the assist)
Happy weekender. No 500 errors here, no sirree!
Like the look of a lot of GWs stuff, but like @warzan am getting feelings of “product fatigue” – I’m actually kinda annoyed by it. Was just getting round to getting into the new Kill Team stuff – which came out as a box in July last year, and is now no longer available anywhere – even looks to be delisted from from their own store! This is not the only time it’s happened in the recent past, and, although a “limited run” culture possible helps them shift boxes quicker, all that seems to happen is it fills eBay up with sealed product at grossly inflated prices. Good for GW, but notsomuch for customers. Sure, you can go buy a rulebook, and a squad, but when your “Core game” isn’t available (and it was thin on the ground from near launch) then it makes me unwilling to buy expansions. The same with anything “limited” being out of stock to scalpers within moments of release. Thankfully they did a second run of the Noise Marine, but there’s loads I’ve missed because –
1. I can’t go to a Warhammer store most weekends because I work. Hence I’ll never get specific miniatures.
2. I can’t afford to keep up to date 24/7 – if I miss an announce on a given day, I should still be able to catch up and preorder an item within 2-4 weeks of announce. Not same/next day. (I quite fancied those BL coasters they did this weekend, but I was working and knew nothing of them until I got home and turned on my PC.)
3. I might have another hobby focus at that point. “I’ll pick it up next month” you tell yourself. But then you can’t, so you miss it, and the sheer volume of content comes after, that even picking it up is a terrifying hill to climb, so you don’t and just wait for the next edition or find another outlet for your hobby love. (Seriously – there’s sooo much text coming outta the studio right now, it’s baffling, and I used to play WFB 3rd Ed.)
But yeah “Limited edition” stuff can go bile it’s heid, unless you have an LE version of a model that is “stock”. Tabletop games aren’t like video games and shouldn’t be ran on that sales model. They always have digital downloads to back up low inventory standard editions – we don’t have that with shiny shiny plastic dudes. (well, not quite yet)
Think the Frostgrave Wiz-ards look cool, and I really must get WWE a proper go soon. Promise.
Great show! The Hour of the wolf starter set looks great!
So this is a cool price, ’cause i haven’t played WWX yet
got to love a wolf posse
Finally finished the show (i overslept this morning lol)!
I have personally steeped away from GW a bit to explore the other games and systems out there but GW deserve massive props for finally getting some decent modern female sculpts into the GW ranges. Normally I’m anti ret-con like Jerry (SQUAT RAGE!) but if it makes the 40k universe more male / female balanced I’ll give them a pass.
Those WWX wolf guys are amazing. I am really impressed by quality of sculpts that are put out for WWX. I do like that female commissar. It’s also different from what we usually get when it comes to female commissar miniatures. There is always place fore different looking versions of same thing because different people want different things when it comes to miniatures so there is no one correct style.
Really liked the Warcradle part of the show. It’s always good to see the alternatives to the more established games.
Good show guys, No issue with the female commissar from my perspective. Nice model. Never been a modern war fan, but I may have to give John’s Oil War a view as I always like his project VLOGs.
The KM Batboxes are a great move for BMG as they allow you to pick up a complete crew at a discount. It is not a two player starter set, with every token you need to play and so on, but it does allow you to pick the faction you like and get playing with less guess work of what will work well.
The lack of a heroes box so far is much commented on but will probably appear at some point. It doesn’t make the game any less playable however as most games are actually villain vs villain anyway.
So pleased with what Warcradle are doing with the Dystopian Age and WWX in general. Damn i want that Hour of the Wolf!!!
I found the commissar figure odd in that she carries her sword on the same side as the scabbard. Odd way to draw it, not impossible but still impractical.
Wizard sprue is totally male, just saying.
Another excellent show. Like the warning on kickstarter and hope that you will expand coverage of Bring back the old weekly update.
Not too shabby 🙂
Happy Weekend – looking forward to following John’s Oil War Hobby VLOG series
A great show.. really interested in Alone 2.
A good show.
Great episode! Thanks, guys. Always great to see @stvitusdancern and @deltagamegirl22 on the show! 😀 😀 😀
Great to see Dawn and Gianna again, it’s been awhile.
Great show, look forward the AdeptiCon coverage.
Awww thanks, all. It’s been been great to be back. 😀
I really like the look of that wizard kit, going to have to pick one up at some stage.
Awesome game WWX, I only have the two player starters at the moment but looking to get into the Warrior Nation.
GW seem to have gone into full reverse – from just focusing on their big 3 games, to spamming out boxed games at a frightening pace. I’m not sure which is worse, to be honest. The problem with spamming out too many games is that, almost inevitably, they won’t be the best rulesets or even be particularly balanced, simply because of development resources (I haven’t heard of their development teams massively increasing in size, which indicates that its the same people doing the work on these games as the core lines). If the games aren’t good, then GW will just get a reputation for substandard product with those boardgamers who aren’t already fans (amongst others) which feels like it would be counterproductive for them.
Of course, if people turn away from GW, then there’s an opportunity for smaller companies making better games to cash in, but its more likely that the dissatisfied people just turn away from the miniature gaming hobby completely, and that would be a terrible outcome.
The WWX boxes look great. Neither of the factions I currently own, but I’d love to get them, particularly the Discordant Symphony. Of course, despite owning stuff since the first Kickstarter delivered, way back when, I still haven’t found anyone to play second edition with, so I’d get just as much use out of these boxes as the stuff I already own! I still want them though!
The wild west exodus stuff looks killer, I’ve always enjoyed their take on the steampunk genre. I like the commissar model because of its uniqueness and details and I anticipate that how a female becomes a commissar in the first place might be key to the book, I’ll have to check it out. You can still order the model on GW’s website but can verify that in my area our LGS’s sold out in minutes. Good job as usual guys, such a great part of my weekend!
Looking forward to Adepticon! Traveling all the way from Norway to host a Relicblade tournament!
Loving the look of those new “40k” minis. I’ll be getting some of those whether the game is good or not!
took me ages to login and view the weekender glad I did as always, but id did have me paranoid that the PC had picked up a nasty. So 4hrs later its been scanned and cleaned to within an inch of its life, then I come here and see the comments should have read them first DOH!
Does the female comissar cost 70% of what a male comissar costs?
Late watcher of the weekender, still great as always. Wild West Exodus models look great, Has Darren painted these one as they look fantastic.
I’ve yet to jump in to a wild west minis game, in spite of having grown up in Colorado — Wild West Exodus looks really intriguing.
Warren’s point about “GW fatigue” could just as easily apply to the industry as a whole. Thanks to a combination of extremely rapid growth and Kickstarter, there is an overwhelming amount of material to digest.
To me, the gold standard for GW board games will always be Talisman. I’ve had my copy of the second edition for over 30 years…
Very good point mate and exactly the topic of this weeks XLBS 🙂
#greatmindsthinkalike
Realy like the symphony box.
looking forward to seeing the Warcradle minis at salute
Another great video and its great to see the two sides of the Beasts of War family together at one table.
Keep on the great work.
I’m heading to Gen Con this year so Warcradel will be a definite stop. Wild West Exodus looks so good, but hasn’t really shoved up in our area. I love the hour of the wolf posse. Looking forward to trying this game out.
Showed up!
some really nice minis shown today. the peg leg inquisitor in combat arena and the whole wolf pack are on my need list.
We’ve already got a female Commissar in 40K. She’s in the Gaunt’s Ghosts books. I forget her name at the moment but she’s quick visible in the new book, Anarach.
Those wizards look great! And the exodus posses look cool, and those paint jobs are fantastic!
Totally get the Gw overwhelm. So many things come out and then disappear almost immediately. Kinda feels like they are releasing a kickstarter exclusive, get it now or never.
Which is not great, because especially in Australia the prices are so high its impossible to keep up.
I have basically just stopped bothering. I like some of their box sets, but by the time I have the spare cash for it, its discontinued.
This is one of the big reasons I am so keen on darklands. None of this overwhelm and discontinuing so I can collect at my own pace, plus they have awesome promos.
Oooo that American indian posse looks amazing, always needed something to make me get into wexodus and this woulc well be it!
You were supposed to mention the paint handle for people with motor problems – tut tut Ben – you were supposed to put it at the top of the running order! 🙂
Also just on a point of feedback for this week – you need to sticky the weekender to the top of the page for the week! You guys are putting out so much content now (not complaining – I love it) but for me the weekender and XLBS are the premium shows! – I watched this episode on Sunday – and already the Weekender is half way down the page – took me a while to find it. If I’m trying to snag-a-normie and I tell them to watch BoW I want them to see the Weekender cause it encompasses more of the hobby than say an unboxing that might just appeal to a certain set of gamers. If it was pinned to the top of the page at least for that week it would make it much easier and show that it’s more prominent. Just my 2p.
My friend would totally go for the Wolf group set. We’ve gotten into more than one new game system just because a faction had wolves in it.
@warzan I like to play with your dong by dinging it as often as possible
Thanks for the video as always. Hope to see Shieldwolf’s Forest Goblin Kickstarter hit the news section here and on the website for next show. Looks like it’s going to fund, but I’d love to see the plannned stretch goals for the project materialise (oh and WWX stuff looks pretty cool too:).
Great show! Just so hard to watch them on the weekends anymore.
Happy Belated Weekend All! Another great episode, I love the concept of Alone, at the last Spiel they had some copies for sale (or might have been KS pickup, not sure) there and the queue was like right down the block to get it.