Weekender XLBS: The First Steps Are Critical
January 31, 2016 by dignity
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Happy Sunday!!
Hooray for a Weekender this weekend. W00t!
Good morning Gentlemen l.
Another XLBS, another great Sunday morning!!
Normal service resumes, we missed you yesterday!
Any chance of getting Mike from Terranscapes on to discuss those boards and terrain making?
@yogiebear and others;
In case you haven’t seen these, there’s a good 5-6 hours of content on Mike’s (Terranscapes) YouTube channel.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMh1ABIMT0RAUiuXzJvqYWHnyr6Ru4Nk1
Interesting to see you guys mention Yogscast. I have several mates who work there here in Bristol, mostly behind the scenes. I’ve not watched much of their stuff as it’s mostly been about computer games, which don’t interest me hugely (I’m not good enough at them any more).
I know they’ve done a few roleplaying games before but this one looks more ‘normal’… slightly less costumes. I may have to tune in a little more often, after checking BOW of course.
Like you I’m not interested in computer games, but I really enjoyed when they did the old Fighting Fantasy book Forest of Doom. Great nostalgia for those of us of a certain age, and so damned funny. It’s well worth a look.
Warren. Stop everything…. and watch Vikings. It’s absolutely awesome, and a must before playing Saga. Just a warning though…you won’t be able to stop watching… Especially Lagatha!!
I think those candles are a great way to added to the gaming environment adding more the role-play really gets people invested, we always have dinner with my gaming group, and a lot of the time when they start out before they go off somewhere and they are at the tavern we sometimes have them eating what the characters would be eating, very small things add a lot.
But totally adding an extra input may not seem like a lot, but it drastically changes investment in your game. Good idea guys.
No “First” this week, I almost forgot about the weekender.
You could use the caustics light on your Loch Death board and have it as some kind of chaos or lizardman portal in AoS
Oh ffs 5 seconds later and you already mention it.
Why not make the big robot the actual moonshine still which comes alive when an alarm is set off
Ohh I really like this idea @dignity
You have to repeatedly drain the still and on a roll of a one or two it wakes up lol
@warzan Warren, check out the Malifaux Gremlin Whiskey Golem =)
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Great to have you back – I have to wait as the video on a hotel WiFi is a bit stop motion
Ref GW’s toy-store kits: It’s not old-style art, it IS old art, just like the kits are older, simpler kits. Not necessarily a bad idea, and putting everything you need to build & paint into one kit harks back to the old Heroquest & Space Crusade Paint Sets that helped get me into the hobby back in the day. And they’ll certainly standout next to the sorts of kits you’d nomrally find on the shelves.
For gaming in the gaps, perhaps take idea from pop culture and bring them into the games. For example, play Team Yankee with the Winnebago and crew from the 1981 movie Stripes. Watch the movie then play the game, introducing the rules as needed. No, wait. That’s a terrible idea.
@warzan….. Yes the elevated landing platform raises up and down. I do some volunteer work with 4ground and got a sneak preview. The landing pad is awesome. An absolute must for anyone collecting this series
First XLBS and it felt a bit like walking into a conversation already started in the later part. One thing that has tends to slow down my integration into new games is the gamer lingo that is made up and almost instantly agreed upon by the community. So as teachers we need to remember that these terms are not always intuitive.
Regarding the LED- and mood-light stuff. We got us one of these for our gaming room. Last time during our RPG group, we had sound and light effects via this lamp….that really put the whole game into a new level 🙂
http://www.amazon.com/EVTECH-LED-bluetooth-speaker-bulb/dp/B00RQ084YQ
‘Go to Blue Alert!’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa_gZ_7sdZg
I got to get that for x-wing…
Can’t wait for the Wolsung content to come out. The halfling mobsters were the reason for me to back the kickstarter.
GW Toys,
A slight issue though would be do packs have glue in them and the last stores we had we could not put the glues is a place where they could be handled and sold to younger children.
The Ork truck we would have to order a minimum of between 8 to 12 a week as a low cost entry model. Cannot wait and see if they do bring it back because it used to convert so amazingly well.
Your correct on the range and more importantly the shelf space any particular supplier required, it was often more a choice of choosing which brands you did and did not stock because of that one issue. There is a market stall that sells GW in our town, when we took a store to that town you needed a shop window to place the banners etc and in the marketing from GW at the time you could not sell from a market stall of any description. I am not going off on a gripe here what I am saying is that I think they have learned that by being so type restrictive when it comes to independent retailers they know that have had to be more flexible, I believe if they get that right we may even see the Elephant in the room THIER SHOPS being taken away and that would make things even easier to sell out or rebuild their profits.
Great show again but still not expandable into full screen Saturday front stage yes fee paying back stages show, err no? And that was and is a whinge.
Okay (let me apologise in advance for the length of the post ) This is what got my mate Jacko back into gaming. Jacko and I were originally D&D role players back in the days of the red box set (1980 we were both 12). We eventually bought Dragon and White Dwarf Magazines and discovered minatures. Mid 80’s we wanted to get into Warhammer, but as you had to be and adult to buy minatures (Because every non-adult will of course shove lead minatures in their mouth) we were sort of restricted.
Eventually we turned 18 had our small units (me of dwarfs) Jack of (orcs and chaos) then we got into 40K Rouge trader I had small units of Squats (sigh …..) and Jacko Space mairines (Rainbow coloured if I remember right …. and it was an offical scheme???) played a few games and both promptly discovered “real life “and gave up
Fast forward 10 or so years, I discovered that being a grown up “had knobs on” and was brought back in the hobby by a White Dwarf Magazine feturing a Fellowship of the Ring cover. Jacko and I remained in contact but he stayed “grown up”
Fast forward to the middle of last year, I had bought the “Age of Sigmar” box it was sitting on my hobby bench down the shed. Jack came over to borrow my chain saw. saw the box on my bench opened it up and started reminising. Eventually when he found out that this was a new game with easy to learn rules he got excitedasked if he could borrow the book I said (inwardly reluctantly ) yes (I ‘m a little anally retentive over hobby books …… pathetic really) .
Next minute I know he’s bought a box also , is borrowing my paints and asking if we could play through all the senarios, which over a succession of Sundays and cartons of beer, we did. He has since bought most boxes of the Khorne Bloodbound releases and their army book and is telling me I need a bigger army.
I also started loaning him my Horus Heresy novels which he was reading at about one a week . Consequently when the Betrayal at Calth hit he had arranged that I pick him up a box as well. and we have been playing that as well . (Again , as Warren said in the video we sat down and played it we may have got some of the rules wrong but it worked) If you haven’t played BaC as a game try it , it has a nice tight rule set but the cards allow for some interesting options.
Though the internet may choose not to believe it those two games got Jack back into gaming after 20 odd years away. Simple, self contained but with a big stry behind it so the player could explore his own interest.
Awesome baked beans! I’ve been wondering if my old school mate I’ve got back in touch with would want get into gaming again, as he saw my old Space Hulk set and 40K and Warhammer stuff (recently got the BaC game) and he said he used to paint the models too (somehow I didn’t know this even though we’d been friends since primary school! Geek shame perhaps lol) and thought the games on the shelf were awesome. So I might try harder to get some minis painted and see if he wants a game too.
Happy Sunday!
Happy Sunday!
so this one would be for gamers of a certain age.
Battletech
my faction was from a planet (Islington) in the periphery of the the inner sphere.
they had managed to keep the old tech but were cut off from any new finds.
the new leader of the planet (me) wanted to expand the planets influence and started raiding missions for supplies.
This manages to grow the strength of my army form lance size to company size to battalion size from then it was then noticed by the great houses and became a house merc unit.
@warzan I would guess they are blast shields, so that when a craft is taking off/landing their downward thrust is contained, there seems to be grills in the bottom so instead of blowing nearby equipment and bystanders the thrust goes through the grills. The massive table looks epic would love to have a gaming room a quarter that size.
Happy Sunday! What a great show and so many interesting topics.
First of all, this Fantasy gaming table left me almost speechless. I happen to stumbled over the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bULM6BxvxwU so here you can see, Ryan’s complete basement is dedicated to his hobby. Now I want a harbor town with ships for my own gaming table.
Creating atmosphere can also be done by special food and drinks 🙂 For example I cooked the “Stewed Rabbit” from the Game of Thrones cookbook for our last RPG session and served it with dark, unfiltered beer of a small brewery near by. Those led candles would have been a great addition to the ambience.
@warzan you’re absolutely right – as far as I love WARMACHINE as a game – it is quiet hard to game in the gaps, because you really need those characters of the Iron Kingdoms I believe. May be our community can proof me wrong.
Btw, my Storm Lions Space Marine chapter is a still ongoing project 🙂
Great show guys, and Happy Sunday.
I know nothing much about Warmachine, but named characters shouldn’t stop anyone creating their own story. Just change the name of the character into your own character who has the same stats.
They don’t even have to use the same model either, and their abilities don’t have to be manifest the same way, eg. a vomit attack with a template could be translated into a swarm of bees attack, or anything else you can think of – it can still use the same stats as the vomit, but bees just fit your character’s story better.
Then you’re free to create the rest of your army away from that character’s usual fluff restrictions…
@warzan As timmoth mentioned above, one way to ‘game in the gap’ with Warmachine/Hordes would be to take an existing named character (warlock, warcaster, solo, etc.) and change their name and/or gender, description, and background to suit your own idea. Use a different miniature on the proper size WH/H base and you are off and running with your own take on the named character.
You could go even further by making minor modifications to the character by swapping out one or more spells, weapons, special abilities, etc. to further customize your version of the character and ‘make it your own’. Compare it to the other available options to make sure it’s roughly in line power level-wise with the other options in your faction. Ideally your character idea would then be sufficiently different from the existing options, but not any more powerful.
If you wanted to put even more effort into it, you could totally build a custom warlock/warcaster or junior warlock/warcaster from scratch by browsing the options and picking and choosing what fits your character idea, but balancing the character with existing options is even more involved.
Alternately, you could take a non-named figure and give them a name, etc, along with alternate (or just additional) abilities as long as you try to balance the cost of any changes. For example, a typical solo is 2pts. You could take a solo character, give them a name and add another ability or two depending on how powerful the addition and then up the cost of the model to 3pts.
You could come up with your own Trollkin clan, with their unique tartans and background, or your own platoon or section of a military group, or your own mercury band based on existing models but with name changes, paint schemes, and minor alternations of their abilities.
Of course you could come up with a multitude of scenarios, including asymmetrical scenarios, that are narratively driven.
If your playing-partner is a casual/narrative gamer too, then they should be accepting of such ‘unofficial’ additions for your games and you two should be able to work out all kinds of interesting story games.
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An example, my good friend and I are casual WM/H players. We don’t have much interest in going to tournaments. Both of us are quiet happy to make up stuff for our WM/H games when we play the game together.
We both made a narrative scenario involving Protectorate [of Menoth] crossing the Khador border and attempting to convert a village over to the Menoth faith. The village was defended with a Khador garrison. Neither side had a warcaster, but both sides had a pair of warjacks controlled by a jack marshal (a non-warcaster who that can verbally control warjacks).
The garrison included a Winter Guard officer (my friend’s character) and the Protectorate were supported by a Choir of Menoth (priests that recite holy hymns to enhance/protect their warjacks) lead by a warpriest (my character). The two forces clashed, resulting on both sides losing their jack marshals.
As each side lost their jack marshal, that person’s original character suddenly found themselves able to connect to their side’s warjacks as their own warcaster abilities woke up in the stress of battle. They each gained a Focus of 4 and could control their warjacks. The Protectorate pushed the garrison out of the village, taking it over, with my friend’s character escaping.
We then went on to make own characters into Junior Warcasters, showing their growth and presumed training, giving them each two spells, a unique ability, and making some other minor changes in preparation for the next battle when Khador brings its reinforcements to take back their village. Naturally the Protectorate will have brought their own reinforcements to shore up the village against counter attack.
As for the future, we plan on playing out the Khadoran counter-attack with our new Junior Warcasters. Eventually, we’ll grow our characters into full-fledged Warcasters.
mercury = mercenary (stupid auto-correct =/ )
@warzan I forgot to mention that Privateer Press had a league last year that allowed you to turn models into named heroes and have them grow (gain new abilities) as they gain achievements. You could look that those for inspiration too.
Path of Devastation
http://privateerpress.com/organized-play/leagues
Additionally, they have a new league coming that involves customized/named squads of soldiers as mentioned here:
http://privateerpress.com/community/privateer-insider/insider-01-29-2016
You should check those leagues out for additional inspiration.
@warzan Privateer Press just put out the second part of their league preview. This time they cover Trollbloods.
http://privateerpress.com/community/privateer-insider/insider-02-03-2016
@warzan Here is a league using an experience ‘level-up’ system. Each force has a junior warcaster/warlock that you play battles with, gain experience, and then gain new abilities over time throughout the league. They even created some original junior warcaster/warlocks for the factions that don’t have any. Here’s the link to their league document if you want to check it out: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VLR-EXPkTu587ECP1yY0hhmL0jqOJubqcdRnO-8lPdY/edit?usp=sharing
The whole adding ambiance thing I suppose is fine for one off events, but if you had a group (like the one I was in) who roleplayed every Sunday night for about 20 years you soon don’t bother with all the add one.We just wanted to play the game
Regarding the LED candles they could make a great way to identify who controls an objective, if a candle could fit inside a building and be coloured white this could indicate no one controls it. When player 1 takes the objective it goes red, if player 2 captures the objective then it goes blue.
Maybe a simple way to help to identify who controls what, a couple of set would be enough for a game.
For the gaming in the gap, the new infinity RPGs coming out is about O12 it’s a muti faction unit it also has mercenaries. So you could always do a enemy of my enemy type campaign, and based on how it goes it might factor on if the two or more groups fight at the end or shake hands and walk away.this style could be used for almost any game system. Well just an idea. I always liked the mission/campaign type game over your army vs my army strait up slug fest.
Brilliant, this is the type of thing I encountered with 40k and one of the reasons I no longer play. I would do the gaming in the gaps thing and was told, you can’t do that. Always found if someone gamed with their own back store it made the game more fun. As a community, there are many who are not willing to move from their own narrow view which can ruin the experience for so many. As far as GW in gaming stores goes they tried something similar with the small squad boxes years back.
I reckon the painting party idea is a great one. Just chat about the game with your newb and dwell on whichever aspects most interest him or her. Whether that’s background, story, tactics, how to bathe in the blood of your enemies, whatever.
4:05 – Thanks, @warzan . . . and I totally get it. You guys are still working on the infrastructure and framework of the actual system by which the campaign will work. Only when that’s all stacked up can you put some “fluff” on top of it, with a campaign narrative, how campaigns work, etc.
Can I also say this . . . I don’t know much about Infinity, but I really think Infinity is a great place to start with a design to run worldwide campaigns. I think this is because infinity is pretty small (usually 10-15 figures, each figure = a single person)? This means that that battles are small, the campaign is small, which means supply, transport, reinforcement, replacement, equipment repair, or whatever other mechanics you may or may not have in the system, are all small.
Starting with something very large (say . . . Normandy or a 40K planet invasion or some such), loads the first iteration of a major project with a hundred additional difficulties of scale and complexity.
So with this project, you’ve already dodged 100 bullets! Well done! 😀
I’ve been looking forward to @brennon doing some Saga for a while. Awesome!!!
Terminator Genesis . . . Booo. It’s wrecked everything that happened in the previous movies. And little miss Dragon-Girl is no Linda Hamilton. The “timeline confusion” that the guys are talking about I think is a symptom of them trying to make sense of an extremely-poorly written script. The only confusion I feel is: “Who wrote this? Why? Who paid them? And again . . . WHY??”
I am hopefully one of those 100
My first XLBS as a backstage member, how could I not join having won the Wayne England concept art 😀 Hopefully my money can go towards that 2nd camera and bigger and better content all round
I think that Shimmering effect light would look great with Home Raiders portals
Gaming in the gaps, having just watched the Man in the High Castle on Amazon prime, I would love to see a rogue US regiment fighting a resistance against their Japanese and Nazi occupiers. If you havent seen it or read the book I highly suggest it
Happy sunday,
You have a gamesetting with lights etc, check some VERY CHEAP stuff from CHINA, like http://www.dx.com , http://www.banggood.com , http://www.wish.com
Get a arduino program board, connect there all you led /lighting on it, program MP3 files to it, and a fogger, and a remote control, and you can control anything with that remote or run program that automatic run programs !!!
you can even control servo with them and open gates/run watermill/ stuff on your table.
simple example, program runs with music/movement/light ;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj4oyRxJeb8
That board was built by Mike from terranscapes, you can see his recent ocean boards in the first picture.
Nice ideas for the ambiance but your app idea would never work with my gaming group where at least 2 of them are “married” to their cell phones. They send texts and video good-nights to their kids. It might not bother them, but it certainly ruins any feeling/investment I’ve developed in or for the story. As a gamemaster, I even felt like punishing their characters every time their text alerts went off, but refrained from doing so. My wife (I married a gamer, lucky me) would like the candles because she’s a role player, not like the newer generation roll players.
Another sore point is how do you maintain the mood of a game. Ravenloft, when it first game out, was set in, essentially, a 1930’s horror movie. My wife, as GM, tried to keep it scary and but was too kindhearted to use all the brutal rules in it, and every session devolved into “Ravenlaft”, the mood going down the toilet.
Great show guys.
Helping friends (and yourself) painting (and keeping) painting is Something we have always done in our gaming group.
See you next week!
Hooo guy’s i haved love the show today !! great so let me tell you a little about my story with Warhammer 40K (and in advance sorry for my english) first i always loved those miniatures and since the end of the 90ths i have bought the starter boxs of the warhammer 40K in the idea of playing this game but when i first saw these mini and read a little about the game i always seings a lot of differents space Marine fighting together for a same objective Space Marine + Death Angel + Blood Angel + Space Wolf fighting together against a tons of Nids or Orks Ok immagine that a lot of differents Space Marines has been drop on a planet to Eleminate the menace but everything as go wrong and now they have to rally to a point to fight together till the Ships arrive to take them out of the planet || i tought my story was just great but each time i was saying this to a 40K player they where always Blowing my Balloon saying that it will be impossible just because those guy’s can not fight together …… i was always whet ” but Why aren’t they all Space Marines , Brothers that fight for a same objectives ? ” and they were saying yes but they can not fight together thats it ! so it makes me never played that game and having tons of miniatures ready to fight a battle with my story 🙁 one day i whent in to a store that was specialize in to Warhammer stuff they had built tables to play 40K , then i ask the guy if i could come at the store to play games and maybe fid some guy’s who would love to show me how to play but never been abble to find a guy that would like my Idea so i have just let it down and whent in to another miniatures game and guy’s i can tell you that i have spend so many $$ in to miniatures game that GW would be really piss of to know that noboddy ever want to show me the game just because i did not want to play it as everyboddy .
That’s a real shame @magedelanuit – and also wrong. One thing GW have always been pretty good at is designing background that allows you to do your own thing, or ‘game in the gaps’ as the BoW crew call it.
They specifically wrote ‘Crusade Armies’ into the 40K background – where each chapter sends one or more units to form a combined army – to allow players who want a mash up of different chapters to do so. It’s also one of the reasons the Codex Astartes exists (the rule book that governs the training and tactics of the marines) – to enable marine squads from different chapters to understand each other and to be able to fight alongside each other.
I manage to watch the first 10 minutes in and then went off and bought the Wolsung rulebook…..Opps inpulse buy
@chesh – you won’t regret it. I strongly recommend you seach for the Beasts of War original ‘Wolsung Week’ and watch their battle report. It was a great laugh.
When it comes to introducing friends into new game I find that the booklet that comes with Infinity: Operation Ice Storm is a good model in the way that it has a reason for the battle and it slowly introduces players to the rules; I use this as a template when trying to create new ways to introduce other games to people. The Malifaux 2 player starter has a layout as well that introduces rules to players one step at a time
I like the idea of the GW paint and build kits, it’s a cheaper way to add some units to an existing army.. I’m even tempted to build a small Ork army…and possibly a small skirmish size Marine army as well.
The main problem with anything is when you try to doing it right, is better to just do it, WROGN! ( yep, just like my english 😛 ). By doing it wrong and each time less wrong you don’t feel any pressure or anxiety about it but rather the joy and freedom of exploring as you go and have a few laugh about it rather than feel that you have to prepare for a exam of some sort.
About the GW “hobby” model kits, i’ll might jump to one of those since i love the models and story, also i think i might be able to get one of this from my local hobby store.
Not so much gaming in the gaps but Frostgrave is a great game to come up with your own personalized faction. You choose what type of wizard you want to be, and I think even in the book it says that the wizard is you. You pick your spells and you can even choose spells from other types of wizards; they’re just harder to get off. Then you pick an apprentice, if you want. I named mine Baldrick. Finally pick your minions and start gaming. There are lots of scenarios in the name book and even more in the expansions.
I haven’t got into Frostgrave, mainly because I haven’t found what I’ve read about the rules very inspiring, but what you write here is what I do find really appealing about it. It sounds like there is some setting and back story, but it’s also obvious enough and has plenty of freedom for creativity that anyone can get into it in whatever way they like.
I guess some time I really should give it a go.
I was very glad to hear about people allowing “new gamers” into their games and finding ways to integrate whatever they brought to the table/store/club into the games… I sadly find most people have a “that’s great, now you need MOAR so YOU can play a PROPER game”…. and that’s really not what a lot of new gamers (younger and older) want to hear…
the other problem I’ve run into that I think your “scenario advice” will help with is trying to teach people too fast and throwing too much at them…
just the other day, a new player showed up with a very small force of infinity models.. he was excited to play, knew he had a very small force, but I was more than happy to just play on the 28″ mat that Corvus Belli puts in the starter kit… and immediately another gamer was like “oh, no, here, borrow 200 pts of my stuff, build a linked team, get 2 combat squads, and this and that and this and that and here is this special rule and this special guy and this special weapon and….”…. and what went from a small demo in a casual setting suddenly was a full on Annihilation game that most likely was a bit too much for this new gamer to really get much tactical advice and rules learning from… so… I know we are all excited about our hobby, but there is a reason most starter forces are small and limit the scope of special rules… lol..
What happened to the tactical Wargamer webbing?
Hi, Catman appeared in early sixties. His suit was made of a mystical cloth that gave him nine lives, and he turned to crime for adventure and excitement. A millionaire, he even had a Catmobile.
a great show loved the lights the GW thing may turn them around.
Warren, nice 300 Spartan reference, had you read my other post on the utube segment. By the way, I want a pin
I really liked the timer app for the new Space Hulk that had creepy noises and countdown alien screams…
I think GW released bright blue plastic marines (Second edition) and purple plastic genestelers (First edition) in a cartoon-covered box in Australia and NZ (?)
– the figures were old sculpts sold cheap like toys
I personally LOVE for example the Warhammer 40k lore. And without that much lore behind it, it wouldn’t appeal to me as much as it does. But I can fuuly understand our concerns about people not getting into the hobby or feeling excludet because they don’t know much about the lore as the others. And in my opiion, those with a good knowledge about the background should be more “forgiving” when other players display their “unknowingness”. I know it’s difficult, I always shudder when I’m at my local hobby store and I see kids playing lord of the rings an elves fight alongside uruk-hais against Gondorians and Orcs….
when I was thirteen I wrote to GW asking about Zoats
and John Blanche wrote back…
– I think it was because I drew a picture of a Zoat complete with blank diagram labels 🙂
Instead of a tractor golem, why not have him be made from the still? 😉
On the lighting effects, like the look of both the led water effect and the candles. Will be doing the garden shed up as a hobby room/man cave over the coming month so might have to pick up a set or two for atmospheric lighting 😀
On the topic of fluff, I don’t think that having in depth fluff is a bad thing, but agree that you shouldn’t put new players down for not knowing it. I think Warren’s idea of putting together a list of bullet points to help newbies get a feel for things is a good idea as for me, fluff is one of the things that attracts me to a game; eg one of the reason I’ve never got into Warmahordes is down to not being familiar enough with the fluff and all characters being named ones (ditto with Malifaux). While I could just get minis that look nice/work well from a game mechanic perspective, it just doesn’t sit right with me and not something I feel comfortable doing. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with saying “that’s not canon”, but what is wrong is saying it in a dismissive tone of voice and looking down your nose at the player. Just say something like “well in the books it works like X, but it’s your army so play it how you want” and if they want to know more they’ll ask, and if they don’t, just let them get on with it – not as if it’s going to ruin your game just because they’ve painted an army in the colourscheme of one subfaction but are fielding units more associated with another. And if they are receptive to knowing more about the fluff it’ll either result in them changing the colourscheme/army comp to match the fluff they like best, or in them thinking more in depth about the fluff and working out how they can fit their choices into it. I also think that there being a certain depth to the fluff is an advantage as it can be easier to engage a new player than if there was hardly any; while some people can spontaneously come up with ideas, others can’t, and having deep enough fluff at entry point can help spark their creative juices flowing and give them ideas for how to put an army together, what colours to paint it, develop their own characters to lead it, etc.
Happy Sunday!
Now this show was a blast. I am not going to get into the topic of getting into a game of any sort but it was a very good discussion that made me think for a quite a good while.
Hope Warren enjoys Saga. Vikings are definitely the starter faction for him. With an such aggressive warlord @brennons Anglo Danes should have no trouble playing to their strengths.
Hope Warren enjoys Saga. Vikings are definitely the starter faction for him. With an such aggressive warlord @brennon Anglo Danes should have no trouble playing to their strengths.
About the GW build and paint. I think just like Warren, that these are brilliant. Look at it this way… these are the “gateway drug”, opening a kid up to the larger hobby. With the release of those starter armies could be a jump-in once they get hooked by the build and paint sets. I’m very interested in what they come up with. Granted, I will be buying one of those bigger starter armies/detachments in the near future to get BACK in after years away from the hobby.
One aside… this was my first XLBS (finally got my backstage), and I have to take a sec to talk about community, as you guys did. I realize it’s beginning to diversify, but frankly, when i walk into a shop, the feel I get is; get in, make a quick selection and get out. Most shops I have been in, in the last 5 years or so feel very much like a “boys club”. I get a very unwelcoming “vibe” from most shops. Maybe it’s just me, but I feel like my hobby HAS to be fullfilled in my own home, possibly getting as much as i can online. And that makes me very sad.
Unfortunate. The main game store I frequent has boy and girls, young and old, playing Magic: the Gathering/card games, board games, and roleplaying games (haven’t seen any girls playing miniature wargames games in the store yet though). There’s even a family (husband, wife, two teenager sons, and a younger daughter) that comes in to roleplay using the Savage Worlds system (last time they played Santa elves trying to defend Santa’s workshop from the attacking snowmen intent on ruining Christmas). There is also a monthly ‘game day’ meet-up where I see both genders and young, old, and in-between age players attend.
Interestingly a friend and I are looking at infinity in the way that was described in the video. I bought some USAriadna and he saw them and felt that he needed some soviet forces to go against them (he was playing MGS phantom pain at the time) so he brought some standard Ariadna. We had the idea I playing a sci fi Afghan Cold War mish mash using the infinity models and mechanics. Gradually I’ve been reading into the background but so far having our own secret soviet plan to breed super werewolves has kept us more than entertained. Using our preferred theme of gaming (historical) we have learnt the rules whilst keeping our own theme running. I completely agree with Warren that some gamers poo poo the idea of creating their own background and this can stop a learning process dead in its tracks. However so far our club has been very accommodating and it has given my friend the space to develop a pack for a theme set of games we wish to do. It is possible you just have the right mindset.
@warzan here is a link to ambient music and sound effects for you dungeon saga games and others….
http://tabletopaudio.com/
Fantastic discussion regarding encouraging incoming gamers and gaming in the gaps- I’ve unfortunately been on the receiving end of the bad side enough that it legitimately turned me away from the hobby for a number of years.