Weekender: Narrative Death Guard Army & Carnevale Returns!
July 8, 2017 by dignity
We've got a jam-packed show for you this weekend with a focus on Justin's continuing efforts to build himself a Death Guard army for Warhammer 40,000...
Weekender Podcast Download
...and an interview with TTCombat about their upcoming Kickstarter to bring Carnevale back to the tabletop.
Birthdays & A Hobby God Bag!
Earlier in the week, we shared a video talking about our 7th Birthday. So, if you want to get stuck into some nostalgia you can check out the post HERE.
Thanks again to everyone who sent their best regards and remember, we couldn't do it without you!
We also award the Hobby God Bag to damon for his amazing work on some World War II battleships which were taken from blueprints all the way to the stage you see HERE.
Remember to Claim Your Prize and we'll get it sent out to you!
Big thanks to everyone who took part and you can find the honourable mentions here from tmsmnns, janus1004, laughingboy and olliep for you to look at in more detail.
News Time
We now focus in on some news from the world of tabletop gaming this week...
- Aquilon Terminators & Telemon Dreadnoughts - The Legio Custodes gets some more reinforcements
- Warhammer 40,000 Codices News - We get the low down on how the Codex system is going to work in 40K
- New German Walker For Konflikt '47 - Jump around the battlefield with the Locust from Warlord Games
- Razor ATVs Zoom About From Spectre - Get your recon on with these new jeeps from Spectre Miniatures.
...did anything else catch your eye from this week?
Justin's Death Guard Army
Justin now wants to talk through some of the gaming in the gaps he's doing with his Death Guard from the Dark Imperium set. They are expanding beyond this now as he adds in some Heresy-era models...
Justin's Army List Download
With the new design of the Imperium, the rent torn across the middle of it, it opens up new possibilities and many of the Death Guard may still be wearing their old armour, free from mutation.
What do you think about Justin's ideas and of course, his army list!
Carnevale Returns!
We also got to sit down with TTCombat's Josh and Dan to talk about their plans to take Carnevale to Kickstarter with a new Two-Player Starter Set focusing on the Guild & Raashar.
Will you be backing this and keeping an eye out for the demo game?
Kickstarters
We now close in on some Kickstarters you need to keep your eye on...
- The Legends Of The Fabled Realms - This Kickstarter is going great guns from 4Ground. Check out the Cosy Dice Bags too!
- Blood & Plunder: No Peace Beyond The Line - Make sure to explore this piratical adventure on the tabletop. Don't miss our Blood & Plunder Week videos either
- Circle Of Blood - Part role-playing game, part skirmish game, this cooperative/competitive adventure sounds fascinating.
- Stone Daze - Simple and fun Caveman game all about hidden/programmed movement and second-guessing your opponent!
Do any of these projects take your fancy?
Make sure you enjoy your weekend and get in loads of hobby folks!
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Happy Early Weekender Weekend! Woot!
Morning all, at least I have something good to watch whilst all my Cubs are talking in their tents at 5am in the chuffing morning!
One very peaked cub leader 🙁
Good morning all… Up early as heading to a Dropzone Tournament today…so watching the show on the train. Makes up for the early start 🙂
It’s the Weekend!!
Aaaargh – not 40k! At least you”be got some Carnexale to counter-balance it…
Why are you obsessed with what they have under their Cingulum (the Romanesque ‘dangly leather tabard’)?
I thought Space marines had no equipment in that area – they are just ‘space dollies’ after all. Or is that just Justin’s army post clipping… 😉
First big test of TTCombat’s evolution of Carnevale since they bought it off David at Vesper.
I like what they’ve done to create a lot of quick buildings for the starter set – although I’d probably want to make up some roof units to get a better roofline.
I can see why they’ve gone with Guild and Rashaar in the starter set, although the Doctors of the Ospedale and the Patricians together with the Guild always appealed to me in the first version as a game of inter human faction rivalry without the need for anything supernatural or alien. Reserving judgement on the KS until I see more, but here’s wishing them luck!
Glad to see the revamp of Carnevale is on the way. Looks like my vow to stay away from Kickstarter for the rest of the year will be sorely tested, especially if they put a starter bundle of the mdf terrain alongside the starter box.
I enjoyed Justin’s run through of the thinking behind his Death Guard army list. Is anyone at BoW doing something similar for the Imperium forces?
@warzan “how do I go about building a golden army” well you need to head up to the Giants Causeway and give that legless dwarf a shiny and he’ll build you one mate 😉
Well, that was a lot of 40K lol. The English or Latin plural of index and codex is fine, just be consistent :).
So index’s or codex’s over the whole ‘icies’ bit on the end!
Please tell me forums is ok over fora too (I really dislike the latter) 🙂
When a language borrows a noun from another language, it’s acceptable to pluralise it in either the original or the borrowing language. So indexes is fine, as indices. Forums is fine, as is fora. But if you say forums, then keep saying forums. If you say indices, then keep saying indices, and don’t say codexes if you say indices. However, if you’re speaking Latin, then it always has to be fora and indices, never forums and indexes 🙂
Sometimes the borrowing language can adopt a convention that goes against the original language. We’ve borrowed the Latin die/dice, but the English convention is to only use the plural, even when talking in the singular. The one exception is we gamers, as we do use die.
Also forgetting the correctness of english – GW calls them codexes so that’s good enough for me
Either is correct.
Or ****ing 40k as I call it at the club and down the store.
I suspect it’s ruining a lot of peoples hobby right now as many supposed ex-GW gamers get tempted back by the new shiny, while those of us who’ve moved on from or out-grown ****ing 40k struggle to get a game or table space.
They’ll be back when they remember the agony of chain painting and are fed up with emptying their wallets on all the books, dice, markers etc. The grumbling has already started… I’ll wait!
I guess if we’re looking back to the beginning for beastsofwar.com, a lot of 40K content is somewhat appropriate lol
The Latin name for that belt is Cingulum.
Indexes vs Indicies is easy.
Indexes is the English plural Indicies is the Latin plural.
Fantastic Birthday Show. Great to see the gang back together and 8th edition getting the focus. Roll on the 200th show, I wanna see a montage of best bits please! What is going on with Justin’s shirt though, I thought he was a Bloodbowl Ork fan!!!
Love the Telemon dreadnought. Gorgeous model.
I wish we could get rose tinted glasses with Bens worldview printed on them. I know a few gamers who would be so much more fun to be around with those on. Thank you Ben – for (still) believing in the world 🙂
I’m definitely backing Carnevale. Really shouldn’t – I should prbably eat instead. But wow! Just wow!
Aaaaand very much looking forward to seeing Justins army on the table.
Kinda hope at this stage in our golden age you’d end up playing more good folk than bad @aurorainbag
Well, also I will go out of my way to just find nice people to play against – no point playing games with horrible people!
@ Warren – Before GW released their Custodes Models, I tried building a squad of
Custod using Scibors Roman Legionaires and Grey Knight Terminator Force weapons.
If you want, I can E-Mail you some photos to… what address?
@ warzan – Before GW released their Custodes Models, I tried building a squad of
Custodes using Scibor’s Roman Legionaires and Grey Knight Terminator Force weapons.
Tagen the GW Custodes came out and I explain the difference in armour designs to myself,
as “Legion” and “Artificer”. When they all then painted Gold and Red, they all appear to be
just variations within a common faction.
If you want, I can E-Mail you some photos to… what address?
start a forum thread in the 40K section and put up some pics, I’d be very interested in seeing them myself.
@avernos – Thanks for the suggestion – I have uploaded some photos in the 40k Forum.
Happy Weekend!
The Heuschrecke looks terrifyingly awesome, looks like German intelligence got hold of a lot of Allied Rift-tech to build that monster, wonder if The Allies will reciprocate.
Carnevale + future Kickstarter + Arghaaaa! So many beautiful looking minis, so much temptation, my poor wallet.
The Legends Of Fabled Realms, the strech goals keep dropping it just keeps getting more awesome.
Great Show Guys 😀
for Justins 40k Morale point, yes models that usually come in massive mobs have really low morale, but they all havea way around it. For example, tyranids, if they are withing synapse range, they automatically pass morale tests, Orks can make their leadership value equal to their unit size, or a nearby unit, and for Imperial Guard conscripts, if you have a commissar nearby, i think the most models you can lose from a morale test is 1.
it basically demonstrates a strength in numbers approach, where the units would feel unstoppable in large numbers, but once they’ve been decimated, theres no way they are gonna stay and fight
@warzan you’ll be happy to know that the Warp can indeed send ships back in time. Time is meaningless in the warp and there is no guarantee how long a journey will take. A journey of a couple of light years could end up taking centuries in real time or a couple of minutes, you may even find you’ve arrived at your destination before you left your point of origin!!
I recommend you take a read of pages 144 -146 of the 6th edition rule book which goes into a good bit of detail about warp travel and mentions the movements back and forth through time.
Oh, can’t edit, forgot to put the game rules, we’re using ‘Fire When Ready’, an old set of rules for pre-dreadnought gaming
Shit @damon , I play that game! (not at this scale, of course)! Damn, I thought I was the only one!
http://www.beastsofwar.com/groups/historical-games/forum/topic/midway-naval-thread-add-your-own-naval-awesomeness/?topic_page=1&num=15#post-205002
This was the game where we pitted the fleet of “Admiral Warzan” against “Admiral Lloyd” in honor of the first hobby night live (Viking themed)
I love Carnevale, but never got started on my mid-sized haul from the previous Kickstarter. There’s a big demand for terrain, so getting some of this in an easy-to-use format in the two player set could give it more of a chance this time around. Good luck fellas!
Loved the show, I’m going for death guard too. I hope Justin realises that there is going to be a lot more death guard released in the next few months so there may be a few more things he wants to add! I love that they’ve referenced back the old mark 3 armour in the new plague marines and I’m sure that’ll continue in the new releases. Oh and Daemon Primarch Mortarion, woo!
As far as I can see the list is legal if its the same detachment using the keyword Chaos. Just remember that the buffs from the Noxious Blightbringer etc will only apply to Death Guard, not to the Chaos Terminators.
About travelling in time, read the first of the Ahriman series by John French. I won’t spoil it but there is time travel back in time that is really fantastically done.
Happy saturday!
Cheers for the mention guys, just working on tile number 3…well I was until I ran out of dark earth paint… will post some pics with all 3 boards together and armies on when it’s done
@dignity – not sure if your list going to work sir, have a few friends who play DG in 40k and they’re all complaining about not being able to take terminators any more (DG specific ones anyway). Also the Predator Executioner (twin las-turret) was a post heresy build, don’t know if chaos has access to them?
Also, Tartaros terminators, fully 40k legal and have been for a long time, FW had them in Imperial Armour 12 4yrs ago with the Minotaurs (which led me to getting a lot of them 🙂 )
If you want some pointers on painting DG PM me, have a large 30k DG army 🙂
He can take them as he’s specified in the list they are just Chaos terminators. As long as everything in the detachment shares a keyword its fine, but you’re right in that they won’t be Death Guard terminators. We know there’s Death Guard terminators coming from the leaked photos so people will just have to be patient!
Chaos also has access to hellforged predators from 30k so pretty much everything from 30k can be used with the forgeworld index chaos list in 40k.
Oh yeah fully aware of the Hellforged stuff, however as the twin-las turret didn’t exist during the heresy I don;t think it’s an option (happy to be proved wrong though)
Yeah it is an option in the forgeworld index to replace the stock plasma destroyer for a twin lascannon. I’m guessing that since they’re ‘hellforged’ it represents the legions refitting their old equipment over time
Actually looking at the normal index chaos all chaos predators have the option to take twin las turrets (they just aren’t called executioner)
Talking of a return to 40K, I’m another ex 40K-er who is looking at a box of old minis and considering buying in to the new rules. Dipped my toe last month converting some Khorne Berserkers to possessed marines and my imagination got going again. Been looking up reviews and battle reports on line and I can feel the pull of Khornes rage gripping me again. Very interested to see what comes for the followers of Khorne after looking at the new stuff for AoS, already had ideas about using the Blood Warriors figures as a base to convert to veteran or chosen berserkers.
*sigh*
Wallet bashing time ahoy!!
Happy Weekend,
I would love to see a Space Marine novel done with a similar story to the film with Kurt Russell called Soldier.
In the 40K universe, it is possible to enter the warp and come out at a time before you entered. I I believe are a few cases in novels where it happens but I don’t have any references handy.
Notably, there is a lesser known section of the Inquisition who deal with issues like this, Ordo Chronos. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ordo_Chronos
The Orodo Chronos comes up in the most recent story as an explanation how Guilliman can come back and have a 100 year crusade without pushing the clock into 41K. On review of the data, the Ordo Chronos determined that the earlier date was wrong and have provided a new updated date. The idea here is that due to the time issues of travelling through the warp it almost impossible to accurately determine the current date anywhere outside of Terra itself.
Hope you al enjoy your weekend, I sure do.
Funny @dignity (Justin) should mention the pre heresy death guard color scheme. I started my death guard in the exact same style and have a forum thread about it. Even got the first marines painted. Love the old style rather than the green style they use for 40k now.
http://www.beastsofwar.com/groups/warhammer-40000/forum/topic/the-everblight-vectorium-challenge-of-the-beast/
Check it out mate, maybe I could get you some ideas mate.
They look great may steal the paint scheme for my stuff will be following your project 🙂
Happy Weekend! Happy 7th Birthday BoW, bring on the 200th show!
Oh man that Circle of Blood and Carnevale look tempting… I might even say them at the styles are similar enough that they could be combined… hmmm… no! That way madness lies!
Also that new Forgeworld stuff is sweet loooing in that 30k/40k kinda way. But @dignity that little 40k “purist” in me (honestly I thought he was dead!) says No! The Death Guard aren’t into subterfuge and sowing the seeds of rebellion, it isn’t in their mentality… but you know what? Do it. It’s your idea, and it’s a good one, fair play mate! And 40k time travel: totally do-able, just super rare.
Cheers I was the same, I’m hoping I can pull off the paint scheme 🙁
@warzan Ok, for us Americans, what the flip does wizzy-wig mean? Apparently I have another new word to add to my translation dictionary! 😉
I think there referring to the silly concept of ‘What you see us what you get ‘ or WYSIWYG when it comes to what particular model has in the way if equipment for use in a game. It sort of sounds like Wizzy Wig when you say it
LOL! Got it! Thanks @torros
Took me a few moments too but it is basically What You See Is What You Get…..WYSIWYG
1) may I make a suggestion, while building these new 40k armies, play some SHadow War Armageddon games. It’s a great way to get games in when you only have a squad or so painted. We,be been doing this at my club.
2) I think you guys need to do some more Konflikt 47 battle reports. The first rounfd you did only had the starter box units, but now many more walkers and freaky units have been released since. Maybe clockwork/Warlord will let you do something to preview the Japanese coming out this fall.
As for the locust Walker, it’s a medium walker, not too large. Germans already have their really heavy Zeus and Thor heavy panzermechs. See the American jump walker for a size comparison.
Warren will we see you play Legends of the Fabled Realms?
@warzan The word you’re looking for “Pteruges” – that’s the name for the leather fringe you see on Greek and Roman armour
Err, who can’t spell ‘armies’ then? Back to school! Oh hang on, its more or less the summer hold – don’t bother.
Always nice to get a mention on the show, I have loved all the hobby night live’s and will continue to take part in them and save a project for each time.
Well done @damon very jealous of the bag, good job!
Have a great weekend all.
Martin
@laughingboy, cheers mate
Carnevale new models to add variety to my existing factions. Does anyone know when the kickstarter is looking to deliver ?
great show guys.
Happy weekend and happy 7th birthday!
Carnavale looks good… and is tempting… damn! Well, i’ll at least check it out, i love my skirmish games more and more.
With regards to things going back through time in the warp, there is an Imperial Guard novel (Desert Raiders I think) that has a psychic message go back through time and sets a whole chain of events in motion which in turn culminates in the psychic message going back through time. Don’t want to give too much away but its a good read. So there is a precedent for travelling back through time in the warp
I’m sorry to say it, but that was the worst Weekender I’ve watched in a long time. Far, far too much emphasis on 40K. I know it’s probably the most popular game out there (God knows why!) but I like the Weekender because it’s a mix of gaming news, not just an advert for 40K (let’s face it, it’s the smaller games that need the profile boost, not the GW behemoth)
Nice section on Carnevale though. And the winner of the Hobby God bag was well deserved. Congratulations @damon.
Our talk on 40K is mainly focused around the hobby for Justin @theamazingmrg – it won’t be for everyone but we wanted to give Justin a chance to show off what he was doing, also the Codex stuff might have been important to a few people.
Don’t worry though – got plenty of other content to dive into in future weekenders where we’ll be focusing on lots of different things.
At 1:01:01 DEFFYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY !!!!!
Happy Birthday guys.
@warzan “quagmire”. Word of the day! 🙂 Such an apt description of 7th ed 40K.
The new Carnevale models look very good. that might just tease me into the update.
I’m only wondering if they will match well with the previous miniatures. Those are a bit on the small side.
I am really glad to see Carnevale making a comeback. I have some investment in it already and I really like the TT Combat MDF terrain that they have made. Looking forward to see how much of the terrain will be part of their Kickstarter. Did they say what the material will be for the new figures (i.e. metal, resin or plastic)?
At the moment I can’t see myself getting back into 40K at all. There are far too many games out there I want to play but know I probably won’t get the time to do them justice. I think if they had radically changed the game then I may have taken a look but it looks like I would still suffer from the same old hang ups I had before.
As for the next 30 year game I don’t think we even have the right format for one yet, perhaps we never will with peoples thirst for new games.
I may be proved wrong but I’d be happy to see it as I’ll be in my Nineties
I have three Polaris RZR’s we ride the trails with. I should kit one out like those models. And yes….they can do some crazy off-road stuff.
I’m gonna have to pick those up for my moderns collection.
Great show guys, I really enjoyed it.
There was a Ordo of the inquisition that was in charge of fixing the time problems that would pop up with the warp. Like making certain ships, people, planets whatever disappear to fix the time line. I think they are called Ordo Chronos.
The Tau actually have stolen some warp drives from the Imperium.
The Alpha LEgion will not be happy with the Death Guard trying to steal their shtick of infiltration and turning imperial worlds=)
I honestly don’t think you need to use the warp to bring pre-heresy equipment into the 40k, all they are is relics. Who’s to say some chapter didn’t keep a bunch of the old equipment stashed or was in some stasis chamber down in the depths of a fortress monastery or Terra for that matter. I don’t think its that much of a problem and is why most of the stuff has/had 40k rules.
@warzan Yes you can go back in time. I think it was the 6th edition main rulebook that mentions several ships had arrived at their destination before they had even left. Nothing as extreme as 10,000 years but there is fluff for one of the chapters disappearing for like a thousand years because they got lost in the warp. So it’s possible from a narrative viewpoint (but seriously like we need a reason to do something completely bonkers).
@dignity Great choice with the Deimos Pred. I picked up the Deimos Rhino, Scorpius Whirlwind and the Executioner Pred for my Space Wolves. I love that older 30K style. It feels a lot tankier than the 40k versions.
I hope for less 0k in next weekenders. ythis was a bit booring. 40 k is iteresting fluff wise but cant talk about that game or listen about it for so long.
Yes it has happened to the dark angels . Cyper leaves 40k to go back to homeworld in the 30 causing massive damage.