Weekender: Wargaming World War I, A Civilisation Of Fish & What’s Next For Antares?
April 28, 2018 by brennon
Welcome to the Weekender show where we've got lots of awesome stuff for you to check out today. As well as talking to Warlord Games we're also stepping back in time to World War I.
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Make sure to stick with us as we've got some goodies to give away too!
Updates
We first have an update for those of you interested in LARP and World of Darkness. Darker Days Radio are currently running a competition to win a ticket to one of these events (18+ only). Check out their Podcast this weekend for more information.
John's Tool
We're back playing around with John's Tool and looking at the Spider Serum from Green Stuff World. This is a fascinating substance that takes some getting used to but it provides you with fun results.
Lodestone Magnetic Terrain
We also have some of the Lodestone terrain in the studio from a project that is currently on Kickstarter. See what you think of it and make sure to take a peek at their fundraiser if this has got you interested. It's a neat idea for sure.
Show & Tell - Gates Of Antares From Warlord Games
We're looking at what's new from Warlord Games for Beyond The Gates Of Antares. This means diving into their recent model releases as well as taking a sneak peek at what's coming around the corner too.
News Time
We step in to talk about some news from this week...
- Canitaurs Attack - Check out these fantasy pooches from Punga Miniatures
- Vampire 5th Edition & The Eternal Struggle - White Wolf takes steps back into World Of Darkness
- Gangs Of Rome - Check out the new Starter Set which was released recently, Blood On The Aventine
- Pirate Adventures - We give you the lowdown on a new adventure for Space Cowboy's TIME Stories
- Great Escape Games' 1914 - Check out this new game system which takes place during the first few years of WWI
...what caught your eye this week?
World War I: The Campaigns Of 1918 Interview
We talk with Jim about the article series (which you can read HERE) that he and neves1789 have been working on which marks the centennial of this massive conflict that shook Europe back during the early years of the 20th Century.
They are looking at the later period of the war and how you don't just have to play out the trench warfare of the period, even this late into the conflict.
Kickstarter
We take a peek at two Kickstarters worth your time.
- Hellboy: The Board Game - A big new project from Mantic and Needy Cat Games has you playing as Hellboy and pals going up against supernatural nasties
- The Faceless - Like Stranger Things? Try out this game on Kickstarter which has fun with magnets!
Which of these would get your vote?
Competitions
As always, remember to Claim Your Prize if you heard your name mentioned for our Bolt Action prize from last week.
We also are giving away an Isorian Torgah MV2 from Beyond The Gates Of Antares this week and want you to gives us your answers to the question we posed in the comments below.
Have a great weekend!
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Ah late night viewing for me before bed. Happy days, and welcome to the weekend folks
Happy Weekend!!
Happy Weekend! This show would be much more boring, without Ben in it! You made me laugh, Ben
what an awesome show to wake up and watch on a Saturday Morning to get the weekend started
Great Weekender as usual! I do feel like the part on WW1 was the best though 😀
For some inexplicable reason I am compelled to agree. 😀
On a serious note, the 1914 Great War game that Ben was highlighting from Salute (Great Escape Games) also looks very interesting.
I’ve looked at several websites about it now and still can’t find out if a stand represents a platoon,company,battalion or something else.
The miniatures look great. 😀
In the Kingdom of Fish Justin is king. In the Kingdom of insects Justin is freaking.
here showing off my concord unit – Gates of Antares- https://www.instagram.com/p/BhMEJ-AHio-/
Curious question about the future of tanks for this give-away.
It pains me to say it, because tanks are one of my absolute favorite things EVER, but I think tanks, as they are now, are kinda obsolete except in a ground support role. Tank versus tank warfare is a thing of the past, and I’m thinking we’re going to need to see a new wave of tech for tanks to really shine again.
I think remote controlled is out of the question because it would be easy to counter with jamming devices, and truly AI controlled is just too freaky to contemplate (unless indulging a Skynet fantasy).
Honestly, since I’ve been playing so much Battletech over these last few days, I want a 90 ton, giant bi-pedal tank right about now.
AI is not as far away as you think.
We’re not talking about sentient machines here. But we don’t need to be. You just need software capable of learning and fairly sophisticated decision making.
I work in the financial services, and jobs currently being done by humans are already being replaced by software. Over the next two years the industry will see some big changes as a result of AI. In the not too distant future, if you make an insurance claim, you will find yourself dealing entirely with software, including telephone conversations.
The show you are looking for is Kindred: The Embraced (1996).
Happy Saturday; yay some Antares love.
It’s the Weekend!!
Not just any Weekend – it’s Tabletop Day 2018!
Time to get up and head off for a day of games.
That Spider Serum is one for the old starter air-brush me-thinks. Not going anywhere the new precious!
Presumably if you added a drop of nuln oil to the spider serum you could have hot black cement, hooping great loops of it, as if emanating from the mighty zab of satan himself…
If it was up to the japanese, it owuld be Gundam,s all the way. but in reality, i see more of smaller, low profile tanks, without crew and with stealth technogy of sorts that deflects passive and active scanning like the F-117 jet fighter.
Armaments would probably go in the EM range of basis of weaponising, in order to prevent the need for a loading system and ammunition stocking
vampire tv series was called Kindred: The embrace and cover the politics of the city and the prince trying to keep the city together. The original game came out in 1991.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire:_The_Masquerade
You can’t blame Ben, you guys named him Sexy Furious!!!
That uncontrolled snerking was both sexy and furious!
Future of warfare?
We’ll definitely see more drones: I doubt there are many companies still designing piloted aircraft smaller than transports. Tanks will follow suit. There’ll still be ground forces but they’ll gradually be phased out as every country gets the technology. At some point someone will make such a leap forward they’ll enslave us all.
Happy weekend everybody!
Very nice week-ender again, and I´m looking forward to the next part of obhe article series on Monday.
I suggest you come up with a game all of your own. With a man like Warren it is likely to be an awesome, weird and successful game. BoW goes to game-designing.
I’m old enough to have a clan Nosferatu tattoo from the 1st edition clan book and played the card game when it was called jihad. Good to see it’s coming back.
Warren did you ask Justin if his book collection is in mint never been read condition?
If you search YouTube for “Easy Cob webs” from a channel named “StiltbeastStudios” and it is cheaper than the Green World Stuff and has been used by movies studios for many years.
Agreed on Sam being the Corgi and Warren being the Pit Bull but I’m going to disagree on Justin being the Greyhound – I think he’s the Doberman. Hmm, you know that might make an interesting Justins&Dragins strip – the J&D guys run into their Canitaur counterparts and argue over who is who (and it turning out none of them are who they expect, eg the pit bull one ends up being Sam’s 😆 ).
Side note, if you guys had fursonas, what would they be? Based on a comment @dracs made on one of the Salute vids I’m guessing his would be a squirrel, but no idea about the rest of you.
Future of Armoured warfare. Really think it depends on the capabilities of who you are fighting. If you are fighting someone that can take out satellites or have the technology to jamb signals to the tanks then a manned solution is needed. If they do not have those capabilities then unmanned units could be used. Ground forces will never be obsolete. Armour and Aircraft can take territory but only ground forces can hold ground (if you don’t class armour as ground forces..
I think that drones, and eventually AI are the future of armoured combat on land, at sea and in the air.
I think this because once the technology exists, it will actually be cheaper to have heavy machinery which is not piloted by humans.
However, I don’t think machines will ever completely replace human combatants at the infantry level, because a man with a gun will always be cheaper and easier to replace than a robot with a gun.
1916 marks the first time tanks were rolled out in combat.
1917 was the first time they were declared “obsolete.”
Every year since then marks another occasion these detractors have been proven wrong.
Unlike some technologies like battleships (which really ARE obsolete), tanks have proven flexible and adaptable enough to change with the times, and find no roles in the changing dynamic of warfare. I feel they will continue to do so for some time.
That said, all this talk of the future of warfare, and no one’s mentioned cyberwarfare yet? I haven’t sen the whole episode yet so I may be speaking to a point already addressed. But internet defense and attacking / infiltrating the internet of enemy states I feel is going to represent an expanding theater of future conflict.
The increasing influence of (and this may sound silly) social media on warfare is also undeniable. From the final “outing” of Russian ground forces in the Ukraine in the 2014-15 war (accomplished through the Russian “VT” social media platform, almost a Russian Facebook”), the recruitment of pro-Kiev militias via Facebook, the effect social media had on the Arab Spring uprisings starting in 2011 …
… I probably shouldn’t get into the corruption of the American 2016 presidential election … oh, wait …
Love it or hate it (and I definitely fall into the latter), social media is going to be a force in warfare, like the television was for Vietnam and the radio / newsreel film was for WW2.
That’s supposed to be “fine NEW roles in the changing dynamic of warfare …”
Cool stuff in the WWI chat
Thanks very much, @orlandothetechnicoloured . 😀
The last hour of this weekender was just too fishy for me 🙂
I’m not sure if armored combat will still be a major thing in the future. Sure, there will be drones. But I don’t think that those will be so much about the armor as they are about speed (movement and deployment) and the ability to be unmanned and piloted remotely.
I think the ‘biggest impact’ will have more to do with disrupting infrastructure, both physical and in the digital realm. From disrupting traffic lights to shutting down power plants. In that sense cyber warfare will be the scariest thing we have to face.
There’s always going to be armoured combat. Sometimes you just need a big gun on wheels
Another great weekender! The future of warfare with more remote controlled vehicles with auto loading cannons. Infantry will always be around with enhanced equipment and a GI with a cheap rocket can still take out vehicles. Grunts on the ground can hold cities and other areas that a tank can not do, aka Star Grunt
@warzan your new haircut gives you a real widows peak. You should go to the Vampire LARP as Dracula’s Irish cousin
Surely Drac O’La is @dracs cosplay? ;P
Dracula is actually where my nickname comes from due to my hatred of garlic.
Now you definitely have to do a “Drac O’La, Dracula’s Irish Cousin” cosplay. 😆
Why am I naked Justin asked, Why because its Warrens World that’s why.
@warzan, I think I have some news on WWI as well. It’s over
Unless there’s some obscure colony or dependency or whatever that was accidentally left off the peace treaties. Think it was the Crimean War that technically wasn’t over until something like the 1970s because one of the British entities that was on the declaration of war was accidentally left off the peace treaty and it wasn’t caught until much later.
After some Googling it was the Crimean War I was thinking of and the British entity was Berwick-upon-Tweed which was technically still at war with Russia until 1966.
Your thinking of Berwick
You’re thinking of “you’re” – not “your.”
But as long as we’re in the vein of pointing out mistakes, let me offer some errata of my own.
In the interview I mention one of the American divisions along the Marne in May-June 1918 had two US Marine brigades. What I should have said was two US Marine regiments (5th and 6th) which together comprised ONE Marine brigade, the 4th.
@oriskany, great that you are suggesting more stands. I wanted to ask you for some time if you could do more charts. I love hearing the interviews, but seldom find the time to actually read your series. I love getting the “what happened”in the interview form, so I am looking forward to more listening.
Thanks very much, @severon . 😀 Just asking, did you mean “streams” and “chats?” Sure, I could always do more, it’s up to Beasts of War and of course scheduling around the ole’ day job. 😀
I love the web effect guys if your after the same effect for the studio get a can of spray glue for upholstery this Halloween.
War doesn’t change. The mechanics might, but the principals remain the same.
The carnage of The Great War was foreseeable if anyone bothered to look. The Crimean War saw the first wide usage of the rifle equipped with the Minnie ball. This weapon had a significantly greater range than the smooth ore muskets of the Napoleonic era. This weapon became the basic arm of the American Civil War which started out with a strong Napoleonic flavor and ended with trench warfare and Gatling guns. Barbed wire saw widespread use in the 1870s. Machine guns, smokeless bolt action rifles and barbed wire were all present in the 2nd Boer War (1899 to 1902) and Spanish American War (1898).
Trains and telegraphs were used in all of these wars, Crimea and forward, and had a huge influence on the conduct of all the prior wars. There are several authors who contend that the Great War was inevitable due to extensive pre-War mobilization planning. Each country developed extensive plans to call up the standing army and reservists and mobilize them for war. These timetables were critical and once activated took on a life of their own leaving leaders and diplomats no time to try and negotiate a peace.
The Great War did see fewer casualties than the Second World War but the difference isn’t the numbers but the perception. The huge casualties of WW1 dwarfed prior wars and there was so little gained by those casualties. Battles were fought literally over yards of ground and it all seemed so hopeless and pointless to the participants that trench warfare has become a synonym for that futility.
To @warzans point that you game the parts that are interesting, there’s quite a lot happening. The naval battles have commerce raiders like the German ship SMS Emden of the East Asian Squadron and the East Asia Squadron itself as it tries to return to Germany via South Pacific and South American route. Or the exploits of SMS Goeben (made into a board game years ago by SPI called The Flight of the Goeben) who fled to Turkey and was “interned” leading Turkey to be drawn into the war, the Gallipoli campaign, the closing down of Russian access to the Mediterranean, helped start the Russian revolution, contributed to the current Ukraine crisis and may be in part responsible for the Trump/Russian collusion investigations.
The most interesting part of the war, in game terms, is the aerial war. Flying in death traps literally made of wood, canvas and piano wire, more pilots were killed by their own planes than enemy action. Life expectancy varied from 18 hours to six weeks, depending upon who had the technological advantage. Wings of Glory and the old Avalon Hill game Richthofen’s War are two examples I’ve played but there are plenty of others.
Here’s something to contemplate. The Wright brothers first flew in 1903. The HMS Dreadnaught wasn’t launched until 1906 and when it did, made every other ship in the world obsolete. The German battleship Ostfriesland wasn’t sunk by aircraft until 1921 in the famous Billy Mitchell bomber tests which in turn made every battleship obsolete. But no one knew that until 1942 and the Battle of the Coral Sea.
I am not sure that tanks will ever become obsolete. There may be drone versions in the future, but they will still be there. Antares has combined the idea of a gunship and a tank into one flying unit. Of course there will always be some sort of infantry to support the tanks. Infantry and tanks have supported each other for decades. I do not see this changing soon. My two cents.
STOP PRESS warzan dumps Justin on planet terror.?
a great weekender guys loved ben losing it near the start the WWI an the Hellboy games sound fabulous guys.
Having been an armorer for many years, I can pretty much guarantee that the thinking behind an open sided magazine in a muddy environment was done in a nice clean design office and someone said “It’ll be easier to clean the mud out” without ever considering the way all that mud got into the thing.
Always Nice to see Gates of Antares coverage on BoW.
The future of Warfare has been crystal clear to me since 1984:
Variable Geometry and payload Armor and Aircraft. We’re already starting to see it with the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter which is a single airframe adaptable to multiple Battlefield roles. We’re not quite in VF-1J territory yet, but we’ll get there.
And you will never replace boots on the ground. Infantry (or some sort of machine or drone that fills the role of infantry) will always be needed to take and hold strategic positions, occupy territory, etc.
Justin, Manga don’t count as real books.
In the future I believe that the push will be to automate and shrink the size of tanks. More drone style equipment will become prevalent. The infantryman will become the battlesuited soldier from science fiction as they are already almost here. The tanks role will be as a mobile fire support platform, basically almost a direct fire artillery. I do believe they will be remotely operated even if it is by a close proximity operator to defeat jamming.
For the future of armed combat I think we could see more integration between human and computer/AI in the fighting machines. The result being that the fighting get more efficient in regards of their reaction times and data/threat handling capability.
Drones will, of course, always be present probably in even larger numbers but there will certain situations where human intelligence and instincts will be needed or required to complete specific missions or tasks like supporting infantry in their assaults or creating or exploiting enemy weakness and this is where human/AI integration comes in.
I wouldn’t count only on drones to win a fight because even now there are ways of shutting them down and who knows how what the future holds in regards of hacking and electronic warfare.
The infantry will probably get more high tech like in Infinity with loads of tools to make them more durable/efficient/deadly but their numbers will probably be reduced.
Rich countries will continue building tanks as everyone likes continuing doing what they know how to do and it’s what we expect of modern armies. Poorer countries with pretensions will continue to buy tanks made by other states for much the same reason.
We’ve seen from the revolutions and wars of the last few years in the Middle East that tanks have an important role to play in crushing civilian uprisings and bolstering the power of the state vs. militias, so I think tanks will have a role for a long while to come.
I agree with others who’ve posted about the importance of drones and cyber warfare, but I’ll suggest another trend that I see and that I think will develop: the move towards cheaper forms of warfare.
In Syria we see Russia, the Syrian state, Iran, Turkey and the US all building and employing militias rather than professional armies (although air support continues to be an exception).
Russia has been developing the concept of hybrid warfare for a while now and I think we’ll see other states thinking about this in a more focussed way too. When we look at other wars western states are involved in, such as Mali, we can see the limitations of professional but expensive forces which can only deploy limited numbers and so are unable to really stabilise control. Tanks will continue to be necessary as part of the deployment of professional military forces for a good while yet, but we may see even wealth states exploring lower cost / higher number of boots on the ground alternatives.
Another great weekender! Thanks for the entertainment guys.
Wouldn’t there be some fossil evidence of a pre-dinosaur civilisation? I suppose a third way they could vanish besides exodus or destruction, would be choosing to hide. They would have to become advanced enough by the time we started developing technology, we would be unable to find them. Very interesting if you think of perhaps some weird early human history myths came from the last of them around before they figured out hiding very well!
I think on the whole thrown through time to a crazy civilisation thing, I think this has been said before many times, but surely the answer is maths. Mathematical concepts remain the same throughout space and time. If they are an advanced civilisation they almost certainly understand at least enough basic maths to form some common concepts. Even if they don’t share a system of writing you can still heap up numbers of rocks and try to demonstrate relationships. If nothing else it should prove your sentience!
Hellboy games looks fantastic, hope we see a let’s play soon.
In regard to the future of Armoured warfare, I think automatous combat vehicles will be the preference, though smaller than current models, say just a mobility system with a variable weapon mount. As armoured infantry expand, they will probably replace actual combat vehicles, especially if air support technology continues to increase – anything ‘large’ on a battlefield will basically have a ‘hit me’ sign on it.
And that’s where we get to cyber and elit warfare – the ability to shut down automatous combat vehicles, computer controlled weapon systems, in flight ordinance or even personal powered armour will completely change the face of combat. We’re well off this at present, real time hacking in a combat environment still being (to my knowledge, I’m a layman) difficult in the extreme.
so, eventually – well shielded single person automatously supported weapon platforms (can you say terminator armour), backed up by independent heavy weapon mobile systems (drones), and off field support systems (cruise missile type).
This was a cool weekender 🙂
As for warfare, I’d hope for a more infantry-based one, as it would look more interesting, like in Dune, but I’m also pretty sure it’s going to be drone-based 🙁
That’s the most interesting model Warlord has ever produced. I like it a lot.
I agree with several of the others – it’s hard to see a long term role for tanks in future combat. While mecha doesn’t seem quite so realistic, something like the more advanced exo-skeletons in Infinity seem increasingly plausible.
Great WW1 chat – I’m not typically a historical mini gamer, but that talk even had me looking at the ranges for historical stuff!
Thanks 😀
The Future of armored combat seems to me, would move away from the mobile fortresses of today’s Tanks. With the impovements of man portable missiles and rockets to knock out tanks now a days, alone with those coming in the future. It would just be far too cheap to take out one. I see armored vehicles still being around but lighter ones like APCs and tankettes like the German Wiesel AWC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiesel_AWC
Fun show as always. Thank you for all your hard work.
I’m sure it will be robots. They are the future
Future of combat will be all unmanned. Drones already showing the way. Unmanned ground will be next.