Weekender XLBS: Bespoke Miniatures Vs Masses Of Plastic?
April 16, 2017 by lloyd
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Happy Sunday! As Justin suggests I’m sat in bed drinking and drinking tea, it’s a damn fine start to a Sunday 🙂
Happy Sunday! I’ve stayed up and am watching as a fine way to end Saturday. 😀
How frustrating for @dignity , the skeletons are running around without pants and at the same time there is nothing there to be snipped! o_0 The worst of both worlds! 😉
Happy Easter Sunday!
Great show. If you want not cheap undead I would look at mierce miniatures and their jute range
Happy Sunday
Yep, in bed with brew and a bacon butty. Looking forward to the hobby night live.
@lloyd some nice zombie wolves with a lot more skeleton showing and pretty evil looking too.
http://www.gamezoneminiatures.com/tienda/en/vampires/311-lobos-zombis-iii.html
Justin, you’re wrong about the kanji. Or at least your partly wrong. Yes that is a Japanese character, but it’s also Chinese. Japanese has three different alphabets; hiragana, katakana and kanji. Kanji is characters borrowed from the Chinese writing system. They’re not much different to the Chinese originals, although sometimes theyll be slightly simplified and more boxy than the Chinese counterpart. The slightly more curved and flowing characters are hiragana, while katakana, used for foreign words, are more harsh and angular.
As a rabid fan of Bushido, I approve this message!
you beat me to it 😉 was just starting to write a similar explanation and luckyly i had the idea to look if someone was faster than me 😉
Happy Sunday!
How much to pay for minis? Very much depends on the game and how much ‘character’ I need. For any mass rank / grouped unit game then as little as possible for the majority (as long as there’s some variety) but it’s always been nice to have a few characters worth investing a bit in; and by that I mean painting time as much as money.
Nowadays I’m mostly into skirmish games (Malifaux, Infinity, GB) where every model is unique and usually has a specific role so well worth investing in.
I used to get annoyed by pricing that was clearly based on point value rather than intrinsic or artistic merit, generally when buying GW bits for my son, but now. realise that ‘value’ is in the eye of the beholder and if I want/like it enough I’ll pay what I need.
For example, we’re in the middle of Wyrd’s Easter Sale this weekend. It’s not a sale in the usual sense, but rather an opportunity to buy their limited issue minis. $25 + p&p for a small sprue? Have managed to resist myself this time (mainly as I’ve got what I want previously via different channels) but if Malifaux is your thing…
Also waiting for Rougarou, but Malifaux already has a bony (zombie) Chihuahua!
For 28mm historical I probably wouldn’t pay more than £1.50 for an infantry figure and that would be pushing the envelope.
@lloyd You might find something here that floats your boat especially if your on the Styx
Link might help. http://www.mirliton.it/index.php?cName=fantasy-2528mm-undead
@torros cool link, that’s full of models going to get a tea and a browse while stuffing my face with chocolate egg 🙂
@lloyd
Glad you found more choccy eggs after your naughty per Easter binge the other day
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When I buy troops, as in rank and file, I prefer to pay a reasonable price for a box of nice looking troops in plastic. Yet when it comes to commanders and individual pieces I’m prepared to pay more for a metal or resin miniature.
Having seen Lloyd’s skellies painted up, I’m tempted to make a small undead skellie army. Though I’d take skellies from various ranges. This is mainly because when I envisage a skeleton army I imagine undead troops from different periods and different armies. I already have some of the Mantic Skeletons.
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https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/jasohubbard/33909648362/sizes/m/
They are cool, i think there might be sprue or two kicking around the studio 🙂
Necromancer magic removes trousers precisely to stop them tripping over the kecks-round-the-ankles. It’s the second spell you learn.
Lesson 1: raise dead, lesson 2: debag skellies.
Bespoke every time, also because it’s less to assemble and paint! Lol. I’d rather my cabinet with lots of individual models than just full of what is basically the same model.
But @deaddave how do you get time to paint them with your Hollywood commitments 😉 Also did you get a chance to paint your own model?
between takes obviously.
So says Mr. Hollywood ;-p
Happy Easter / Holidays Dave
Happy Easter Sunday all!
Good show all thank you.
@lloyd Those Skeletons you are painting really look amazing!! Great job!
Bespoke all the time only because I lack the will power to paint the same thing over and over, can count the number of finished squads/units (@28 mm) on one hand I have managed in 20 odd years..
I’m putting my Saga war band together V&V Miniatures… pricey but very nice.
http://vminiatures.com/28-mm/vikings/
@cousins286 I’ve seen these pop up a few times but didn’t realise how well rounded out the range had got. Thanks for the link, your bands going to look amazing.
Happy sunday
@lloyd beautiful painted minis, I like the frosted look it feels fitting and I get the white walker theme.
For sci-fi skeletons use space marines with skulls instead of helmets, you can’t see the rest because of the armour. Or any other really armoured model.
Yeah I think a custom conversion set would be the way to go.
Happy Sunday!
Great video guys thanks.
I have to admit that while I sometimes look at prices and think that they are ridiculous, I tend to buy the models I really want regardless of cost. What usually happens for me is I buy cheap stuff to fill out an army, the expensive ones I take a shine to, I just buy less of those and spend more time painting them, creating a focal point for the army itself.
A good example would be using perry miniatures for the majority of my old empire army, and a mix of GW, forgeworld and limited run resins from various places for heroes, front ranks and so on.
Bring out yer dead
Happy Easter Time / Holidays to team Beasts and all the Backstage crew.
Peace out. Y’all
bring out the dead that is a bloody good name 🙂
Lloyd…”Skellies and Trains and Vikings, oh my!”
at least he’s diversifying
Looking forward to your hobby night live. What about game demos or army building and the methods used to achieve a successful build. How to customize your army to take on the different army types you may face. Scratch building and how to make them fit into your armies theme.
when you were talking skeletons I was thinking about was Mierce, best skeletons on the market. while your at it their wraiths are amazing and Warren need look no further than mierce for his Vikings too. definitely malifaux for the dogs, they’re zombie dogs but they’re the nicest out there and there are more than the ones you showed.
all about quality over quantity for me. a display cabinet with stunning characterful sculpts, beautifully based amongst themed terrain is so much sexier than a discordant mass of cheap miniatures you’ve blasted through. you’re a good enough painter to go that route @lloyd mate, glad you’ve seen the light.
the beauty of fantasy is that they are always relevant. like you said @lloyd, age of sigmar through rune wars and frostgrave. it’s the same with RPGs, much easier to work towards with fantasy over sci fi. sci fi tends to be more setting specific with regards to aliens, style and tech.
my sci fi is system specific were as fantasy for me gives me the ability to world build safe in the knowledge that they remain relevant to future fantasy games and settings. sci fi skeletons? not for me. keep them in fantasy were they belong. one step too far in my opinion. you can still have a wide range of flexibility in your undead without trapping yourself completely while giving yourself the opportunity to do something completely different for a change.
you fellas are killing me with the cutaways.
This has been my fav. Eps with Lloyd. Skeletons for the win. BoW Really needs a Saga week. Considering its what you guys are always referencing. Plus I love Saga. Hehe.
It needs to be done.
Great eps. Guys.
happy Sunday, great show as always. i wanted to mention something that no one has a chance to bring up yet, as GW continue to make new and improved effort there is one that still matters directly to all of us, and that is the PRICE of their product, the warhammer hobby from GW continue to be very EXPENSIVE for most of us to keep up with (and we all like to keep up and collect the awesome range of stuff that builds the narrative) since you guys know them well and have contact, is there any word from them to make the hobby more affordable for not just beginners but for the avid big army players and collectors.
thanks again for a fun SUNDAYYY..
@lloyd way way back i took a box of these http://www.solegends.com/citrt2/rtb01sm/index.htm and mashed em together with a box of these http://www.solegends.com/citboxes2/skeletonarmy.htm to make an undead space marine army 🙂
Man, that Jason and the Argonauts scene without the original music illustrates how the film score adds so much more to the scene. That being said, I cannot stand modern action. The camera jitters too much and the sequences are assembled from too many quick cuts. Give me a Hong Kong martial arts movie any day.
Thumbs up, lads! Well done.
Cracking XLBS guys. Just need to echo @pojoh and say get a SAGA week to become a reality 😀 , that would be superb ( just to add to an already packed workload ).
Bespoke or plastic masses ? Definitely plastic masses for the rank and file of an army, that way a production line can be set up to get them table ready quickly. Go bespoke for the leaders and heroes, giving each one the time they deserve as focal points of an army.
Full of admiration for all the butter winners, but mightily jealous of their skills at the same time.
I had KS madness for a little while, my wallet needs time to heal and get funds ready for SAGA related goodies. Both of those KS look like great fun, but i am swearing off KS for the forseeable future, may the hobby gods ( and my wallet ) strike me down if i tell a lie.
Ooo SAGA weekend – that’s a winner. It’s such a different gameplay to anything else I have seen.
the skeleton king looks great could be Ned Stark coming bake in GoT?
love the chicks Lloyd you got them cheep then.
back not bake.
great show have you guys need medical help for the Bonner fetishes you have?
Mantic skeletons its a win win for me.
back for seconds. didn’t think i’d have time to write this, turns out I do.
I think you are mistaking my point about shinny syndrome and its effects on the complexity of gameplay with the point I was making about the depth of your experience of a setting. even though they are linked in a way I used the example of the games of old to carry the sentiment of the later not the former. but i can see how you have linked the two given the complexity of the old systems.
the old systems on this point though do not qualify. it is more a question of probabilities and viable options. streamlining can cause games to become too obvious. people play the probabilities. then tactics and lists become not much more than going through the motions.
a good example of a streamlined system with a large amount of tactical options would be mythic battles pantheon. you also have infinity that has vast layers of tactical options but requires a time investment on the part of the player in order to familiarise themselves with a complex rules set. there is a massive payoff in terms of tactical options and its complexity makes it very difficult to play by numbers. i have seen Justin this year work out probabilities on the fly and figure out game systems very quickly, to the point where he holds his own against the games designers or just outright breaks the game and now and again holds back. not so with mythic battles or infinity though.
i would also say that it is the trend in games design to live by words like streamlined and accessibility. which is in large part about selling more games than outright producing better ones. for every genuine break through there are one hundred imitators traveling in its wake feeding off its success. so beware of trendy buzz words by games designers who are following market treads rather than the few who set them and coined those words to describe what they did to produce the ground breaking games they made. and so we come to the crux of the matter. the point i was originally making was is jumping from gaming system to gaming system masking and further perpetuating the fact that many of the games we’re seeing lack any real tactical depth. golden age of gaming? in some respects sure. but maybe all that is gold does not glitter.
Marvel movies getting “Too comic book?!”
I can’t even…
Me either. Not sure where @dignity was coming from with that.
I have to say when it comes to price of minis I am generally going for the more expensive ones other then the cheap ones. Mainly for the same reason for Loyd, cheap stuff is generally boring. Some times companies might come out with something neat at a low price point. Go with what looks cool and fun to paint.
And for the kickstarters I have to say I would pick Star Eagle for I am a sucker for cool minis and have jumped in to get started in a new game… And couldn’t get much interest from my friends to join me. Even when I buy two factions and get them ready for gaming… So a game that lets me get all excited about neat minis that I can get from any where and still play the same game as everyone else sounds great. Now I just have to get people to join in with me…I wonder if the rules will work well for ground battles…
Australia’s time zone varies from 8 hours ahead of you to 10 hours ahead of you (most of the population,about 79%, is 10 hours ahead of you) . So please if you are going to do it don’t do it on Sunday… or Monday at work will be %%$
Oh and Lloyd .. i am getting like you … good quality minis are fun to paint …. and I have to say I love your paint job of your Rune Wars stuff
Regarding how much to pay for minis – if setting up a warband I like a mixture. Cheap multiple peons and more expensive bespoke character figures in the mix. For my Ogre Kings of War Army I have the Mantic figures, but have spent some extra cash on the giants and goblin support. It is great to create the initial army with the cheaper figures in order to start playing, then when you spot something ‘perfect’ grabbing that and including it. For me this is part of the fun of the hobby.
Don’t leave out Celtos miniatures as alternatives:
http://www.brigademodels.co.uk/Celtos/Fir%20Bolg.html
Just to pick up on the Hobby Night Live ideas again – I think including gaming, tactics, list building etc would be a mistake, ‘hobby’ to me is about the modelling/ painting/ conversions/ terrain building etc, gaming content is already very well covered on BoW and elsewhere. The unmet need is a better forum for hobby projects, I personally don’t need to watch live games, I might as well just go to my games club. Just my opinion =)
Woot?! I saw myself on the screen!
I didn’t know I had anything worth while to say but I stand corrected 🙂
Happy Tuesday everyone
@lloyd
Mantic have a dog on one of the skeleton sprues, there is also a dog and handler in metal / pvc.
don’t feel bad, Justin I wondered that too… so check my avatar…thats an Ultramarine doing the Aquilla
Is there a like button? :p
@lloyd – Macrocosm do some very fine skeletons in space. Not like 40K servo skulls, but pretty cool:
http://www.macrocosm.co.uk/product-category/macrocosm/the-star-wraith-undead-in-space/