Weekender XLBS: Are The End Times Coming For Warhammer 40K?
October 23, 2016 by dignity
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Happy Sunday.
Perfect timing, just taking a break from building my river for the Water Terrain Challenge and the Weekender XLBS was up.
UB stands fro Unter See Boat. Sorry for my atrocious German spelling
Means Under Sea Boat. Kinda obvious really
Unterseeboot, auf Deutsch.
This even made the news all the way over here in Australia.
Happy Sunday!
Happy Sunday
Happy Sunday!!
Turns out Unterseeboot UB-85 was scuppered by its crew when the captain’s blunder forced it to surface close to the allies,
Rather than suffer the indignity of being captured by the enemy and admit to the blunder he ordered the scupper and then blamed the cause of on Sea Monsters; suffering a different indignity instead!
Just as Warren said it – if you want to play out ‘pure’ tactics then the older the historical the better.
@warzan ref the 40k endtimes: If only GW had the ability to enable players to fight the conflicts of the 13th Black Crusade with new rules, models and a campaign that would have an impact on the fluff….
Oh, wait, have I gone back in time 13 years? http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/13th_Black_Crusade
The wooden blocks the Japanese bowmen are sanding behind are called “Tate”, and were carried on the backs of the soldiers and then laced in the ground for mobile cover.
I think bringing back the metal minis is a great idea for the old timers. There are plenty of figs that I’d love to see again, I have fond memories of the old beaky marines.
I also have a sneaky suspicion that this lines things up perfectly for the old Blood Bowl models That will be a huge get re-release in time for the new game – which makes me happy as I never managed to finish my Chaos team!
Happy Sunday
Just to show off – the sheild that the Archers are using I believe is called a Tate. It’s similar to the European pavise sheild.
Bravo Justin – you’re correct!
I don’t envy there going look for that sub because the deep chanel next to where the sub was discovered was where the British dumped all the left over mustard and phosgene gas after WW1
Unterseeboot, literally “undersea boat”
I reckon for AoS some massive event will happen and all the realities will somehow namahically join together again and create a new world
Magically even
Lol… @dignity got it almost right he just missed the See or sea… I see ( punintended) others got there before me on the explanation 🙂
The black wash Justin is talking about and putting it over a gloss varnish is a good idea . I have been using I for sometime but using the future wash instead. Just paint pure future wash over the model and then ink. I would say that artists inks like W&N work far better for this than the inks you would get from AP,GW etc as they seem to have a higher pigment density and just flow better
40k moving forward in the story yes please and about time.
@warzan Warren- On transfers: You can just use water but the trick is apply them over a gloss coat (you can always flat coat it afterwards). If we’re being all scientifiky the ‘silvering’ comes from having air bubbles underneath the transfer so the smother the surface is to start with, the better. If you combine that with the magic that is microset/sol you’ll get a great result every time and have all your mates asking if you painted it on.
Hope it helps everyone thinking of using transfers but have been turned off by bad results in the past.
Got myself a Sly Marbo on the made to order. Didn’t bother the first time around.
I have him from years back, but seeing him again has tempted me to strip him down and give him a proper paint job.
From memory the decals on the samurai look like they come from Veni Vidi Veci
Thanks for another great show lads. A couple of points that i feel are worthwhile making (I could be mistaken but hell it’s the internet crap is written on it all the time)
1) Ben , let me second Warren’s comment, your painting impresses me more and more every time I see it
2) Please, Please. Please, do a series either online or offline on what your are doing with your KoW Empire of Dust. I have purchased the starter kit and I am devising my own “quick paint” method. (To be clear “quick Paint” is relative… if I get done in 9 months I’ll be stoked)
I would love to see what John would do with it.
3) Re Age of Sigmar’s background, I was slightly underwhelmed with the background even though in background it is the closest thing in gaming to my dream Planescape game. th is until until on whim I listened to the first AoS audio CDs which outlined the quest of a Hallowed Knights warrior chamber as the travel across the realm of Death , to try and secure an audience with Nagsh (along the way they meet Manfred Von Carsten … who “aids” them eventhough he has his own agenda) but the thing that did it for me were the real people (featured in the second CD) and the history and colour of the City of Hellstone, ( the last city of men in the realm of death to stand against and fall to the armies of chaos ) . After that I was sold…the background has great potential and I want to get more of it.
4) Like Warren I have heard some news….(in a round about way ….I have no direct source ….I live in Australia) about the 40k Primarch thing. What I heard was no more than 4 Primarchs in the first year and I did hear the bit about the Emperor speaking to one of his sons but this was Dorn not Guilliman. Dorn in some fluff has been standing guard by Golden throne ever since he lost his hand (when His Sons presumed he had died) .
Cheers gents thanks again
On point 4 the 4 primarchs i ve heard bandied about for the loyalists are girlyman, vulcan, dorn and the lion…
Of all of those
king arthurthe lion waking up has me the most excited, as i personally believe that the DA’s secrets offer the most get out of jail free cards for the fluff writers, i.e. what if cyphers quest to terra is to get dorn to reforge the lion sword, which is the key to waking the emperor, as the DA’s were the first legion might make sense that the emperor bestowed a genetic backup psychic mcguffin on the lion, being the sword which in turn rejuvenates the emperor, who then psychically shouts wakey wakey to the lion….Which then makes me laugh as 40k loyalist endtimes fluff turns into a version of sleeping beauty (Grimm Dark faerie tales anyone?), one thing that is clear to me is 10000 years is a long enough nap for anyone!
On a more analytical note i think the current trend of small self contained forces such as the ad mech releases, deathwatch and gs cults (rumoured raven guard) hints towards a more AoS thematic army selection for 40k 8th, and hope to god that there is a single space marine codex, with chapter supplements for flavour, unfortunately apart from the DA’s i cant see the other non codex chapters ( blood angels and space wolves) faring to well through the end times and the remnants will form elite units i.e. BA’s become death company and landraiders, as there fluff dictates they are dying as it is (and they have some horribly outdated sculpts for half there characters, bye bye dante you golden bollock how i’ve hated your sculpt since i first saw it ’96/’97), unless the emperor can fix them, that or they get turned chaotic (the blood drinkers ability to hold off the black rage seems to stem from a tzeenchian pact)… The space wolves well, endtimes will be ragnarok and it would be a dishonour to survive, so what would be left is mentalists with a death wish, so kick ass assault troops….
Happy Sunday!
On the matter of Sea Monsters the largest Squid ever caught was a Colossal squid and evidence suggests that even bigger ones exist, That’s It! I’m not going swimming in the sea ever again!
The Speculation About 40K’s Time Of Ending has been going for ages, there are far too many theories to talk about here, need to find a Forum.
Tomas’s Army looks magnificent and also utterly hilarious.
Excellent show guys 😀
Another great show. Love the look of the flames of war laments at the end. Also good to hear Field of Glory by Osprey get a mention. Clean playing rule set without the plethora of special rules in other modern rule sets.
hear hear… they need to get some of these more diverse rule sets out there 🙂
FoG Renaissance is a good game.The ancients version just didn’t hit the spot for me
I am enjoying To the Strongest and a new version of Basic Impetus us released next month and friends Art re L’guerre us a good system
I actually prefer the Renaissance version myself, but then again I am not a massive ancients gamer.
Thar should be Art de la Guerre
If anyone is interested in FoG etc have a look at http://www.madaxeman.com
Lots of reviews of figures plus lots of well written and funny AAR’s
not a big fan of 40k but am really excited about 40k end times this would possibly tempt me to start playing regularly again because most people have forgotten due to fallout of aos just how huge wfb endtimes was. people who had not played for years dusted off there armies new players bought armies from scratch( and that’s not cheap ) of course things did not turn out has expected but it was one hell of a ride while it lasted .Just hope they have learned there lesson and don’t go too far hate to see 40k become like aos while not has bad has some people would have you believe it is never the less at best an average fantasy skirmish game
@warzan Myself and a few of us in the North East of England are playing Spectre Operations and I’m busy putting together some very simple jungle terrain. I also work with @oriskany on an African setting that I posted under the Historical Forums for the community.
Please get in touch and I’ll chat too you about the rules.
Wow really love the 15mm stuff that Tomas has done, It just works so well. What we need is a Mash up of Romain and Tomas in one show creating something.
The FoW stuff is really nicely painted but don’t like walls etc to be on the bases with the figures. Personal choice as always
Happy Sunday!
Regarding the AoS background, I have noticed that most people who criticise it then go on to say that they have not read the Black Library novels. Thinking back to Warhammer I do not recall the rule book or army books containing much more than background on key battles or a factions social background. If you wanted anything more than a one-page short story you had to read a Black Library book and AoS is no different.
I have read all 10 of the Realmgate Wars Black Library novels and they do go into more detail about the remaining mortal cultures and the character of the different mortal realms. The Stormcasts do come across as people with personalities and there are some characters who are turning into recurring characters that are developing over time.
Although you cannot draw all the mortal realms on a map, the recurring theme in the second half of the books of Sigmar’s planned assault on the All Points helps to tie the different realms together as you appreciate that there is a significant central nexus worth fighting over.
I guess my main point is that it is still early days in terms of background development and unless you’ve really tried to read lots of Black Library novels (it was a bit of a race for me to keep up and I’m not a slow reader) AoS isn’t going to come across as very deep.
A side from investing all the hobby time in a new game, it should also take the investment of all the reading time. I might have liked it, but I have too much else going on, so thanks but no thanks.
That said I might roll out a few games of AoS if I can’t find anything else
I do think that one big advantage that WFB had (so far) over AoS was WFRP. The bulk of the creation of the Old World was originally done there, and there was a full-time team working on fleshing it out for it to be lived in by PCs, not just fought in by armies.
That said, you should be able to get enough of a feel for the setting from the core rulebook. That’s the game’s best shot at getting a potential new customer to buy into the setting. If you require them to read several additional books then you’re going to lose a lot of people who won’t be motivated enough to do that based on what the core book has given them.
Actually **this** is a bloody good point. It wasn’t until I bought the original Warhammer fantasy Roleplay tome (it was bloody huge for the time) and got all the background that the Old World became a “real” thing to me. (Of course it also had lots of cool stuff which then ceased to be cannon, like the never-to-be-mentioned again 5th Chaos God (and I am not talking about minor entities like the Great Horned Rat or Hashut the God of tall hats and bulls) and the 3 gods of Order who were a funny mob with their own attendants….. Ahh the directions GW could have gone. However as I said earlier I have read and listened to a bit of the background stuff from Black Library and it is pretty good …they just need more of it
I think for our generation, that big WFRP rulebook was our way into the setting. Later generations probably came to it direct via WFB, but by then WFB had the advantage of all the work that had been done on WFRP.
I should say that despite the modern fancy for filling a rulebook full of fiction, you don’t need a lot of background in it to get the essence of the game across. The God of Battles rulebook has a couple of pages of background for each of the ten armies, and collectively you get enough from that to understand who they all are, how they fit, and why they’re fighting. You really don’t need anything more than that.
In addition to that, you can get a good impression across of what the game is from the minis and the artwork too. Taking Malifaux as an example, you can tell just by looking at it that’s a steampunk/horror/western game. You only then need to know that it’s set in a trans-dimensional frontier town where various factions fight for control of Soul Stones, which are a source of magic, plus a couple of lines on each faction, and you’ve got everything you need to get it into it. There’s no shortage of fiction for you to read if you want to, but you don’t need to to be able to get what’s going on.
@warzan Yes that is my fear as well when combining the cell shading and normal painting.
@warzan – only 15 hours left as I post this but here is a MASSIVE deal on the All Flesh Must Be Eaten series.
https://bundleofholding.com/presents/AFMBE2016
I know this was more last week but I’m hoping that you see this before this deal is consumed…
In regards to GW reselling their old miniatures I can’t see why this wouldn’t work (GW …please release the old regiments if renown). The old Grenadier Fantasy Warriors are all still available and still sell really well even though their 30 years old
Alright, you forced me to do this comment.
As of 40k end times, I can only speak for myself and the research I did among my friends and coleagues in gaming clubs etc.
I do not state that this is ultimate truth.
I did some research regarding who really likes the idea of end times in 40k and progressing with the timeline and it seems that:
The hype for progressing timeline and endtiming 40k is inversely proportional to the number of 40k books someone have read.
For the guys that never read a 40k book, instead only articles at lexicanum, codices and heresays, really love the idea, for the ones that dug dipper they are cautiously optimistic, for the guys like me that have read 50 or more books it’s “No, please No”.
This test have been done only locally therefore it may differ and I don’t want to offend here anyone.
The one colleague that is screaming laudest that 40k needs end times, do not play 40k I fact I do not even know what he plays, whenever I meet him, he is selling his miniatures from a previous game system and organising new army for a next system, he won’t get back to 40k when it gets end times yet he want it to happen.
Now regarding my feelings, to be honest I love 40k lore, I have started my adventure with 40k by reading First and Only Tanith by Dan Abnett and I instantly fell in love in the background of the 40k. I love history and how the civilisations rised and fallen, how technique had it’s rises and downs. How the dark ages suppressed technology allowing it only to the selected ones and only that which served “higher” purpose.
40k setting is a perfect match of religion, technology, science, fiction for me. Mix of what can happen in the future, as we know we really only scratch the surface, who knows what lie in the other dimensions, what happens if String theory is true and whats going to happen when we will try to harness other branes, or we find a way to bend the timeline etc. Anything can happen in the future add to that the things we know about humanity and how we love sine wave in all aspects of our life. World with great, but forbidden technologies, the way it was forgotten, the way people are afraid of deamons, inquisition all over again, poor cramped normal joe that spent his whole life in a factory then when he die he is transformed into eating goo for the imperial guardsmen. All that despair yet all the glory and heroes that still tries to defend rotting empire. It is quintessence of the things I love in 40k.
Add to that the fact that I play more RPG(dark heresy, deathwatch, rogue trader, only war etc) 40k than 40k battlegame, where my whole group from the guys that were already in to the complete 40k noobs that jump into the world and got swallowed by it, yet I have bigger 40k minis collection than all the people together from my closest hobby club.
The thing is that I belive that I’m the most loyal 40k fallower, yet I’m in the minority as the most gamers only scratch the surface and catch up all what internet or other people says. So many times in the past people hated something in 40k just because they have read in the interwebs that this is meh, but when you started conversation why and when and how, then after hour or two, they kinda changed their mind (I cannot get to everyone individually :P).
To better translate how I feel I’ll use metaphor, Imagine that you have fell in love in a girl, you invest in the relationship, you merry her you life with her for 20 years, everything is great you love each other, then she suddenly change her sex, things she like and people she id fond of, you no longer can really recognise her, would you still love her?
as far as the fluff i agree with, i do not know about the fluff as much as you do honestly but i love the game and the universe in general, but what do you think the level of rules simplification should be to allow veteran players such as yourself and new or inexperienced players such as myself to play the game as much as we can? i only ask because i really think something should happened to bring the game to its full potential for everyone.
thank you.
MIDDLE-A-DON!!! Bwahahahaha! I cried tears of laughter! How did that one slip under the radar?
@dignity – I don’t think the rest of the Beasts appreciate your true genius!
i think you mean idiot savant lol 🙂
@warzan Remember you’re already afraid of flying. do you really want to make the sea terrifying as well? You’ll never get out of Northern-Ireland again. 🙂
WOW Tomas’s US flames of war models are fantastic. I’d really love to see a tutorial on his painting style.
Thanks.
I mostly use a wet-blending technique. You put a darker and a lighter color next to each other and blend them together while both are still wet. I picked it up from when I dabbled in oil on canvas paintings years ago.
Happy Sunday. I know there are a few tutorials out there already, but I think that some WW2 uniforms would be good for a re-roll. There are some for Germans and Soviets but think desert and western europe theater Brits would be good, and the Perry miniature desert rats look like great models as well.
If GW bring the Arbites back I’ll buy a bit more than a handful.
COME ON GW, COME ON YOU CAN TAKE MY MONEY!
Loved the Coked up Americans
As for tactics most works, best with ancientlike and skirmish games as to do them well on a modern battle field would take a colossal table, due to the movement and range of the weapons
For decals, you want microscale products stuff.
Microset and microsol. One you add to your warm water and it softens the decals.
The other sets the decal when you have it in place.
Also, you should always put decals onto a gloss surface. Just use cheap gloss (The traditional one in modelling circles is Future floor polish – yes really) and they go down much better. Then use matt or satin varnish over the top.
happy sunday.
Very nice army at the end, but justin realy clean your nails before putting them in front of fully zoomed in cam.
And show all the minis on the table, do not leave some behind.
Happy Sunday!, cell shading real name = Volumetrics , its just back and white volumetrics. right behind the 40k reboot soooo needs to happen, games so clunky and model ranges are sooo bolt thrower, was awesome back in the day but it all looks so dated to me now.
Hi guys.Sometimes I do some scale modelling.When it comes to decals I use a chemical called decal soft which dissolves the transfer carrier film and gives the illusion that it was painted on.
once again, a fantastic show, thank you guys for brightening up my Sunday morning. now i have few ideas on how to go about painting my Boltaction army with some twist.
@Warren I don’t get why you say that 40k needs to be simplified and the likes of Infinity doesn’t. They both have a LARGE list of special rules to be able to field some armies that are really complex and nutty. And the fact that Infinity has fewer models means nothing. For a Ten man Space Marine squad in far simpler then a ten member Infinity force since Each model can be completely different from each other with its own list of special rules. Could things be refined a bit? Yes but I like where 40k. If they can get the game to where you can play a space marines with only 11 models and still be fun would be great. But the only thing they promote is the big battles so no one wants to play something small. Making it seem daunting to get started. Promoting Kill Team would be a great starting point since it forces you to play smaller games. Making that the new entry in to 40k.
As for the Fluff, I am excited to see things look to be moving forward in to new and unexplored stories. I love the fact that they have been hinting at moving the story along for some time in the Codexi.
40k in its current stat could do brilliantly with a good spring clean, and it needs to be simple to encourage model sales.
Infinity by its completely different game scale and style finds its longevity in its ‘complexity’ – but even it got a good streamlining in N3
The games are almost polar opposite of one another 🙂
40k could use a good clean up/streamline of the rules. Specially with how the deal with other special rules. But I find that the complexity of the game is fine. Some armies are not beginning friendly but I feel most have solid options that are easy to use.
I personally find my Longevity in 40k is because of its complexity. And small games like Infinity, I like to be able to play a complex or simple game. Generally simple for a nice quick game.
After reading all the new Infinity stuff their rules have been cleaned up but simplified it has not.
Admittedly this could all come from the fact that the last time GW did ‘simplified’ one of their games it made it basically unplayable to me. And left me with a lot of paper weights to deal with.
i must say, i`ve been dreaming about 40K being simplified for years, it was the only thing that always kept me from enjoying the game, the constant disruption of the overwhelming amount of complicated rules ruined some of the experience for me. i love the game and i love my armies and the work i did on them but i was always intimidated to go play in the clubs in the local hobby store because i felt overwhelmed by how much i have to know and how many books i`ll need just to get to enjoy a tournament with fellow gamers. if they do simplify the game enough for me and i`m sure many other players to get back to it and delve in to explore the universe and the stories that are waiting to be told on the table top, it will be a day to celebrate.
What if they do an end times for 40k that had the empires finally dying and then them the imperium can spin off into multiple factions.
In Japan we know sea monsters exist. They’ve devoted half their film industry and all of their culinary achievements on them.
@justin
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-DK/Gaunt-s-Ghosts
if the 40K universe is moving forward the web way could be the reality bubbles of AoS? with Magnus joining the cabal.
40K story line moving forward would be enjoyable to me. Chopping the game itself, not so much, but I have said that before. There have been a lot of story line changes over the years, hell the Lion went through 3 name changes, but we do still have several primarchs floating around. We have the Lion and Luther in stasis under the Rock. Vulkan is an immortal. Dorn standing guard over the Emperor. Leman hasn’t been seen after he went into the Eye, although I seem to remember something about when the 13th company came back out that they said he had fallen. I never got into the Ultramarine stories, so I didn’t know about Guilliman being in stasis. I don’t remember ever hearing anything about Jhangatai, so no clue there. And still 2 first founding chapters that we know nothing about, other than you don’t talk about them, so lets dub them the fight club chapters. Several Demon prince primarchs.
Might it be time for the second Heresy war?
Happy Sunday!
“Aarrr! There be sea monsters here!” Awesome historical find.
Happy Sunday!
40k getting simpler? me gusta!
a great xlbs guys the U-boat story was unexpected & interesting.
hear the link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37702614
they was a story about new evidence of a u-boat base at the south pole in Antarctica recently as well @warzan can’t find the actual story but.
http://www.violations.org.uk/u-boats_in_antarctica.html
The defence works on those samurai archers are called Palisades, a sort of quick defence to protect from incoming arrows.
Enjoyed the show this week. I think the cell shading would make a great film noir zombie game. I have the Zombies game and might try that technique with it. I could scan the game tiles and print them in black and white…
I’d like to see 40 K simplified rules-wise. The fluff is great and I think advancing the storyline only adds to it. The rules, however are a big turnoff to me. I picked up Kill Team and think I might be able to get back into that.
Happy Sunday!
Great to see some of that Made To Order stuff, I always wanted a unit of those Kasrkin. But @warzan has it spot on: nostalgia. I would rather see GW update those armies with new miniatures.
40k End Times: Bring it on I say.
With Age of Sigmar, could it be that the vagueness of the setting to date is an intentional decision by GW? The setting is so new that they haven’t committed themselves to crafting a massive narrative for a product that has yet to truly prove itself against its predecessor. Further, they aren’t tied down in the same way they were with the Old World, so the designers currently have a relatively blank canvas to start blocking in details through future supplements and media products (novels, vidro games etc).
Cheers!
In regards to the airbrushing, the series of videos you guys did on them convinced me to buy one and start using it. But was there ever a full tutorial done on maintenance and cleaning? I might have missed it but if not, then I’d love o see something done on it. It’s still the area I have the most questions about. I bought a proper cleaning kit but I’ve no idea what most of the gear is for and I’m worried about breaking something.
Some pointers on quick colour changing would be great as well. I’m still at the basecoating stage with my skill level but when I start to actually “paint” with it I’m not sure how head-wrecking it’ll be swapping out colours that I’m only using in small areas.
also, @dignity
I’m pretty sure those Gaunt’s Ghost models are still available. GW still have a surprising amount of the old IG stuff available in their regular lines.
Happy Sunday and a great show lift me up having to be in hospital this morning for another MRI scan wish all great week of hobbying 🙂
Chris and Victoria
Sorry to ruin the story @warzan but at @dignity was right. According to the crew of UB85 who all 34 survived the event. UB85 crash dived to avoid shell fire from the RN Drifter Coreopsis. The hatch was not closed securely and the conning tower started to flood. This would not normally be a problem as the conning can be sealed off. Unfortunately for them the Captain feeling the cold had installed an electric heater and cable running up into the conning tower prevented them being able to seal the tower off, with the sea water coming in and getting to the batteries the boat started to fill with gas. The boat surfaced and she was then scuttled to prevent capture. This was the version as related by the crew. the captain Gunther Krech died in hospital March 1919 maybe as you say the story came from him to hide his embarrassment.
Nearly forgot U stands for Unterseeboot the *B* is the classification a Coastal boat
If you want to mock Americana, please be aware that the McDonald’s brand only dates back to 1955 so it’s not going to fit in well with a WW2 setting. In the1940s the hamburger is still a suspect “who knows what’s in the meat” food that people half-joke about being made from ground up stray cats, dogs, and pigeons. Hamburgers slowly became accepted as being a safe thing to eat due to the decades long efforts of the White Castle restaurants who from the 1920s ground and cooked their beef in view of the public behind a glass window and kept the place and the workers spotless. The US war economy saw lots of people male and female working long hours especially in manufacturing and produced a strong demand for a fast reliable lunch/ supper that could be picked up and brought home. This demand along with steady worker salaries opened up huge opportunities for fast food to enter the American diet as as a major player.
I actually looked up the “birth” date of McDo when I was doing this army, so I knew that it was not at all historically accurate. I pondered about it for some time, but them decided to just go with the rule of cool. 🙂
I know it is far from historically accurate, but that is the reason why I play Flames of War. It is one of the few WWII games I know that strike the right balance between historically accurate and a more fictional-world orientated game, where everything goes. You can pitch Germans vs. Germans, Americans vs. Russians or Polish vs. Fins if you want to. Those encounters probably never happened during the war, but the game makes a far enough abstraction of that during list building, that it doesn’t matter.
In that climate, I think stuff like Warren’s Nachtwulfen or a tank crew getting Pizza hut delivery should be possible.
I’m fine with alt history stuff but I like ti betterif it stays on the right side of “the barrier” to avoid that awkward “George Patton firing on Rommel’s Beige-painted Patton tanks from ’53 in Tunisia” feeling.
But punk rock was a thing so…
Happy Sunday! Listening while finishing my entry for the Hobbyween contest. Cheers from Colorado USA.
Ooooooh, I love those Menes….
I’ll see myself out.
There have been rumblings about a 40k end times story line floating around for some time. I’ve heard from people who work at GW that there were members of the company who wanted to move the fluff on, but were prevented from doing so by others because they didn’t want to risk damaging the 40k product.
I’ve started painting all my miniature board games, and I’ve set my self a challenge to paint them all in the next 12 months. I’ve started with the Legend of Drizzit board game, I’ll sort out thread for my challenge this week on my next day off.
Happy Monday. Great show. If i can conviince my 5 year old to sit still for 5 min ill have a go at cel shading a sherman
On the future of 40k
So here is the thing, part of 40k’s appeal is that it is stagnate, I know that sounds contradictory but here me out.
‘In the future there is only war.’
Now everyone knows that this can’t be possible in any realistic terms, like a mate of mine says you can always be eating s**t and being on fire. It just doesn’t work, people break. But the fantasy of it is that is a dystopian universe where everything has gone wrong.
If there is change there is the chance for progress, you can’t progress from the worst place possible, to the ‘worser’ place possible. Thus the appeal is we are commanding the last remnants of humanity in a slow bid to stay alive, to keep a candle alight in a universe of darkness.
However. I think that is a pretty limited appeal, while there are different version of the appeal with in, like Orks love war, Salamanders are straight up good guys, and so on. But moving the story along does allow people to com to come to the game for truly heroic reasons, because the fight has meaning now, or to claim the galaxy for chaos, or to end humanities plight as the Tyranids.
If everything is the same you have no reason to fight.
IF the story progresses you have a reason to fight.
If you like sea monsters and like a bit of exploring maybe you van try subnautica out it is a early acces steam game with some great sea monsters. Has not much to do with the seamonsters from earth but still some awesome and beautifull monsters
Another great show full of chuckles galore I am sure you pair get worse
Umm did @warzan say arm a dildo?
Is the the town guard of a small town in NewFoundland?
Field of glory is a very good historical rule set. With this rule set the army you play dictates the tactics not the rules. I still want them to bring out a fantasy expansion for it.
So @warzan , if you reverse the polarity and go back to the world before color cameras, then you would have the wonderful newsreel look when everything was naturally black & white it would look amazing. 😉
BTW the opposite of a zenith is a nadir, the lowest point in a curve or trajectory.
Definitely have a segment or article where John explains/shows how he dissolves the plastic of water-slide decals and what product he uses. That would be great.
Great show as per normal.
@Warsan, you really should start reading the Iron Druid Chronicles. Monsters in modern day Europe and America with a very generous helping of Irish myths. There’s even a battle between the sea gods of rival pantheons.
Regarding 40K, the story line (the Beast Arises) for the Imperium is currently that the place is smashed, hundreds of marine chapters destroyed, the imperial palace invaded and dead and traitor primarchs showing up all over the place. Irreparable damage has been done to the Imperium and the clocks moved on from 2 minutes to midnight.
Kings of War has good generic rules that reward tactical play. The fantasy version has racial rules which in effect take a generic rule and apply it to and entire race.
The Historical KoW takes the view that al men are the same, except differently equipped and/or trained. Ultimately it’s how the troops are moved and used that matters.
Posing off of @warzan‘s lost sub news- If you love ya some Deep Rising, Deep Star 6, Sphere, under the sea, Cthulhu-esque horror, you gotta check out Diemension Games *Deep Madness* on Kickstarter!
For more info;
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/diemensiongames/deep-madness/description
https://www.facebook.com/deepmadnessgame/?fref=ts
Great show as always guys.
Justin The Gaunt’s Ghosts models are still available on the GW site, at least in the US. Occasionally they have the temporally sold out tag but they always come off and they have been available for quiet awhile in the US at least. Actually I checked the UK site and they are available there too. A lot of the old Guard models have been available for awhile like Guants Ghosts and Schaefers last chancers and the 10 man units. These new made to order are mostly the HQs and older style special weapons but the basic unit have been there for as far back as I can remember.
HAPPY SUNDAY LADS…..have you at any time looked into solo gaming i am reading a book about this side of the hobby and find it very interesting the book is called “The Partizan Press Guide to Solo Wargaming” by Stuart Asquith.this is the books desription
“War gaming as a hobby or pastime seems to continually grow in popularity. While there are many war gamers that belong to clubs and enjoy the experience, there is possibly an equal number who either choose not to join a club, or do not have access to one. There are many advantages to being a solo war gamer and it is intended that this book will outline some of them. The solo war gamer has the opportunity look into such overlooked aspects such as troop organisation, re-supply, campaigns, the effect of the weather, rule mechanisms etc. However, no matter how keen the potential solo players might be, ideas for campaigns, battles and scenarios are needed before solo war games can be satisfactorily conducted. The purpose of this book is to provide just that type of information, either by creating new systems, or adapting existing ones. All the suggested ideas are offered for adaption, alteration and extension as required by the solo war gamer.”
Would like any opinion on this topic
40k definitely needs shaking up and stripping back in my opinion. GW have been treading water with the IP for many years and are (I tnink) losing players as the setting is growing stale and the game mechanically bloated.
There are excessive numbers of special rules and the core mechanics are dated and clunky. There are balance issues accrued through years of additions and from codexes carrying over between editions without an update, sometimes for more than one edition!
GW do not need to throw out the baby with the bath water but the game does need to be broken down, assessed and rebuilt for the modern market. It can be leaner, faster, easier to get into and offer something fresh to old hands that have seen everything old 40k had to offer.
The setting is mined out and needs to move on and embrace change. This can be done without throwing away the entire setting.
Sigmar’s realms sound a lot like Stargate. Tons of “worlds” connected by gates..