Reply To: There is no place for (armoured) vehicles and fliers in a 28mm skirmish game?

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@limeburger Again I agree, even though I’m rather on the side of wargaming with awesome as Warzan says, so where it can fit in tanks, planes and BFguns and probably not unrelated to mostly 40k influence in my early days this has been a good little chat and made me think about the subject in a more rational way than I normally might.

I think how the subject is raised makes a difference too, how different a tone this chat might have had if the opening title didn’t have the question mark. All too often the approach is thats  a wrong way to play, which gets into attacking peoples passion which take personally and respond defensively. Never ends well 🙁

Much better to raise as a question or demo the alternate, that way you can learn to enjoy it both ways 🙂

Investment is definately a factor in people looking at something new, part of this is 40k steals elements of historic wargaming like WW2 and Space knights with there heraldry. Why look elsewhere we’ve still got that hook, evil mind tricks.

But after x years it gets a little flat, where it doesn’t have any real friction. Seeing two players for a 40k game take an hour to setup, roll off for first and the guy going second immediately conceding…. because they’ve won or lost in the list building is a failed system imo.

If I do 40k again, it’ll probably either be 2nd ed, cause its fun even with its flaws if can avoid a herohammer game, or the 8th ed launch, with the indexs launched at the start with it, agai you watch youtube after youtube of the 8th ed launch edition and its about the fun of the game.

 

Lastly, I think your point to paraphrase a little about who you game with is a difference too. We’ve all heard/seen that guy stroll up with the King Tiger and his elite SS Troop and crush his oppenent, once. Because he will be unable to get a game with that opponent again, which in the long run makes that sort of guy a bit of a loser and probably not one who will stick with the hobby for too long.

 

The main thing I would say to anybody on either side of the viewpoint, is if you’ve got oppurtunity to try a new system that might be quite different to your usual game but you can have some fun doing it give it a go. Other than you might miss out on some fun you’ve not much to lose after all.*

 

*I take no responsibility for any new obsessions this may engendar or an even bigger unpainted pile of minis and a decreased bank balance 😉