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    sundancer
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    First time visitor to OTT? Then please introduce yourself in the New Member Thread and look around in the Project System. Then come back and read on…

    Read all of this before you start as it will save any trouble later.

    First thing you must do is make your “pledge”. It can be anything gaming related, big or small, and you don’t even have to finish it. No, in here, happiness is the road. Have fun doing whatever it is, but it is not a race. Accompany your work with pictures or we might think you are do something sinister and just using us for cover.

    You are also presented with a few questions. It is to get the conversation started. Try and keep your answers ‘conversational’, no text speak, and certainly no “basically”. This is how we all get to know each other better. While you are here feel free to tell us a story, show a picture, joke, tales of love or woe, or just add your own little bit. This is the whole point…in here it is just us.

    If you have never taken part before we may bark and bite, but we also like a cuddle! It is all done in the best possible taste and it is character building. feel free to give as good as you get.

    A few other things to note: NO RELIGION & NO POLITICS! Glasgow pub rules are in effect. If you need to make a better point then it is fine, but don’t take the piss. And always keep it civil.

    Play plenty of music to go with your work. Loud and through proper speakers. Write us a playlist of things we might not have heard before.

    Now, after all of that there is only one ‘real’ rule in here and it cannot be broken: NO DICKS! (Exceptions may be made for little fighting men with little plastic/resin/metal wieners)

    And don’t forget the highlights of the weekend: The Weekender on Friday and XLBS on Sunday. And the little show that is the unofficial Hobby Hangout over at twitch.tv

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    Questions:

    • Has Brexit changed your online shopping behaviour?
    • Have shipping and taxes ever held you from buying something you really wanted?
    • How could small, one-man-operated companies band together to get their stuff to people outside their “tax-zone”?

    Discuss!

    #1641034

    sundancer
    30642xp
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    Pledge: continuing on the WHFB Orcs… hopefully.

    Answers:

    • Yes or rather it would had I been shopping big time form UK before. Some upcoming Kickstarters may crash on that subject for me.
    • Oh yes. First thing that springs to mind was the initial @battlekiwi Kickstarter for the MDF terrain for SW:Legion. The bunker, radar dish and all… but shipping was waaaaaaaaaaaaaay to high.
    • Depending on what they do they could a) licence their designs out to local companies like Things From The Basement and Battlekiwi do with 4Grounds. This is a very viable options for things that are based on digital files. (cutting patterns or STL files) Other companies that do their own casting could “band together” and maybe create a company that works from within the other tax zone?

    And a little music that goes a long way:

    Oh and if you haven’t done so yet please feel free to chime in on the discussion thread on forums:

    OnTableTop needs a forum – A discussion thread

    #1641038

    demonsub
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    Friday already, must be my day off.

    My pledge is to get the rest of the Purge models painted from the main Core Space box then maybe start on the small Spider models from the Outbreak expansion. I’ll be using all of these Purge models instead of pirates for the Unwanted Attention table in Stargrave.

    Has Brexit changed your online shopping behaviour?

    I’m more cautious now putting orders in from Europe. My recent Kromlech order came through no problem (and no import tax), but my Army Painter order had big problems back in January. It got lost in customs and they had to send out a replacement order which arrived with no difficulty’s.

    Now when I can I’d rather buy from a seller in the UK that have items from Europe already in stock as it’s less hassle for me, but then again I’m looking at risking an order from Deep Cut soon.

    Have shipping and taxes ever held you from buying something you really wanted?

    Yes, although this is mainly from a lot of things from the US on Etsy where the postage can be twice the price of the actual product.

    How could small, one-man-operated companies band together to get their stuff to people outside their “tax-zone”?

    I recently listed to an interview on the Paint All the Minis podcast, number 205, where a company in Asia works with games companies around the world to make their games more easily available in those countries.

    #1641092

    ninjilly
    8290xp
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    That’s a great selection of music to start us off @sundancer – nowt like a bit of headbanging to start a Friday morning. Safety compliant head banging obviously whilst on the work clock.

    Pledge: Update my SCC project and stay in this thread all weekend! And finish painting the Frostgrave monsters I’ve been chipping my way through. There’s a painting challenge in a Discord that starts tomorrow but I’m going to try that strange “finish one project before starting on another” concept that Sundancer mentioned a few weeks ago. There’s also another project going to rear it’s head in about ten days… oh dear, bad habits are returning!

    Questions:

    • Has Brexit changed your online shopping behaviour? No but that’s largely because it has coincided with my salary needing to support two people and so I don’t have any money to spend.
    • Have shipping and taxes ever held you from buying something you really wanted? Absolutely. I won’t order from the US at all any more. I got stung for import duties and the Royal Mail surcharge twice because a company shipped two t-shirts on the same day in separate packages. £28 of charges for £15 of t-shirts for a charity event was the proverbial straw.
    • How could small, one-man-operated companies band together to get their stuff to people outside their “tax-zone”? I don’t know but I’ll be fascinated to see what other people come up with.

    Some music: It has been a Clutch week for me. They are meant to be touring in July as a reschedule from last year but I don’t see me wanting to go to a gig even it does go ahead.

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    #1641099

    blinky465
    15086xp
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    • Has Brexit changed your online shopping behaviour?

    It has in that many of the sites I use (including the evil Amazon) have far fewer items available to UK customers. It has certainly changed my “sending random shite to people in boxes” behaviour (since a few times I’ve landed family with a hefty import/handling fee to receive one of my boxes of delights, so have stopped sending quite so many). I’ve been reading reviews of Firefly guitars and went looking for one and ended up on the Thomman.de website, checking out their Harley Benton semi-accoustics. I couldn’t help myself (especially since I just won a couple of mini painting competitions and had a hundred quid in my paypal account!) and have taken a punt on buying my first EU-sourced “stuff” since the new year.

    Interestingly, their website does warn that their prices are “plus VAT” and that for UK customers, the VAT is charged by the courier, not by them (which makes their onscreen prices incredibly low, but even with 20% on top, they’re great value guitars!). But there’s also warning of a 2% import duty (UK import duty on stringed instruments is 2%) and a handling charge of around £11.50 (though I’ve heard reports of UPS charging £18). And then some other random “courier charge” of 2.5%

    Thomman.de use UPS exclusively – so I phoned UPS, showed them the guitar I’d bought and asked what their final invoice would be. The couldn’t tell me! So I’m just waiting for the guitar to arrive, with invoice attached, before I even know what the total, final cost will be. Fingers crossed…..

     

    • Have shipping and taxes ever held you from buying something you really wanted?

    Only in that when I’ve decided the shipping and taxes are too high, it turns out that I obviously didn’t really want it that much!

     

    • How could small, one-man-operated companies band together to get their stuff to people outside their “tax-zone”?

    The only thing I could think of would be licencing designs (to have them made inside the EU). Or – just maybe – running stuff through a company in Northern Ireland which – for the next four years, apparently – are in a unique position of being inside both the UK and EU trading zones. It’s all far too complicated to fully understand though (since there are rules about sending stuff from mainland UK to N.I. now). Maybe the guys at OTT would be better placed to explain/understand that? Or, possibly even, benefit from it?

    Music? Here’s a song with a great guitar riff in it:

    Pledge? I started painting one of the Raging Heros pirates the other day for no other reason than he had a dog’s head and nice billow-y frock-coat to try my “adding extra contrast after using contrast paints” ideas on. I guess I should finish him?

     

    #1641351

    crazyredcoat
    Participant
    8771xp

    Good afternoon, chaps! I’m working on a British MMG team for Bolt Action this weekend. Hopefully I can get at least the main gun/gunner finished before moving on to the loader and the spotter. Want to try and get a basic force of Brits finished so that I might actually be able to play once the world stops being on fire…though I still have to make the webbing on some of the chaps I’ve painted look a little greener…

    Questions!

    Has Brexit changed your online shopping behaviour?

    As I’m not living back home right now it hasn’t changed much in my shopping behaviour, though mentally it is monumentally frustrating to me, but that’s bordering on political so I’ll say no more there.

    Have shipping and taxes ever held you from buying something you really wanted?

    All the time… For some reason Canada doesn’t just include the tax cost on the shelf price so you always know whatever the price says it is, it is going to be more. Never understood that logic, myself. It causes problems for things bought overseas, though, because Canada often adds their own tax on top of what you already paid…which delays deliveries and such. It’s kind of annoying. The shipping costs thing frustrates me, too. GW is pretty bad for it with their ‘Free Shipping over x monies’ but if you DON’T reach that amount the price of shipping is extortionate… I love GW as a brand; I often hate them as a company…

    How could small, one-man-operated companies band together to get their stuff to people outside their “tax-zone”?

    Smuggling? That’s not entirely a joke… Small companies always struggle in conditions like that, because the big companies have the capital to deal with such obstacles. That was the beauty of being in the Union; we could get all sorts of things from all sorts of places with little to no hindrance. Honestly, I’d say moving companies to Ireland would probably do those companies the most good. Yes, Britain is a big market, but the EU has more potential buyers.

    I did think of linking a few songs related to the subject, but decided they may be a little on the political side, so here’s some Alestorm instead:

    #1641352

    sundancer
    30642xp
    Cult of Games Member

    “Video not available” :S

    #1641353

    crazyredcoat
    Participant
    8771xp

    Probably a region thing…

    Does this one work?

    #1641370

    jamescutts
    2750xp
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    Pledge: Actually finish writing up some research for project posts.

    Answers:

    Has Brexit changed your online shopping behaviour?

    Yes, I used to order a lot more from Germany, not just hobby related but Powertools (for my other hobby woodworking) and general every day items that are “made in germany” and higher quality than the a lot of the chinese produce stuff. I’ve not had import problems with the few EU orders I’ve had yet but I feel like I’ve been yanked out of a community i wanted to be part of.

    On the flip I now find ordering from the the US cheaper if you can get postage that isnt USPS and Royal Fail then the customs has been pain free, UPS and FedEx have both been fine for me, though it can be pricey. I’ve also found that ebays global shipping program is excellent, with postage and import feel all pre calculated and paid in advance its been fantastic for items from the US, paticually power tools and even after the fees and postage its been cheaper than UK prices.

    Have shipping and taxes ever held you from buying something you really wanted?

    Frequently, its the main reason I dont back many kickstarters anymore. Royal Mail are the worst charing handling fees that can be more than the value of the goods. I dont mind paying shipping and taxes but I want the costs to be clear when i buy something. In fact I even go out of the way to pay shipping, perfering to spread hobby orders out between smaller independent stores.

    How could small, one-man-operated companies band together to get their stuff to people outside their “tax-zone”?

    The likes of Amazon is an option, I cant remember of the top of my head but theres plenty of distribution services out there, that hold your inventory and then ship it on your behalf. Thats a good model but can be costly, Small companies carring internation stock from another small company is probably the way forward, i think a few do this already.

    #1641531

    oriskany
    47728xp
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    Good afternoon everyone.  I’d like to present a belated battle report for the game @damon and I had a couple Sundays ago.  The system was Avalon Hill’s The Arab-Israeli Wars, where Damon and I recreated one of the sharp, vicious engagements that took place in the closing days of the 1973 Yom Kippur War.

    The game recreates one of the frantic counterattacks launched by the Egyptian 4th Armored Division (3rd Armored Brigade and 113th Mechanized Brigade), part of the Third Field Army that had been cut off in the Israeli-counter-crossing of the Suez Canal in Operation Gazelle.  Now, as General Bren Adan’s 162nd Armored Division crushes its way south to Port Suez (thus completing the encirclement of the Egyptian Third Field Army), Colonel Natke Nir’s 217th Reserve Armored Brigade finds itself struck in the right wing by this desperate and hastily-mounted Egyptian counterattack.

    Damon is playing the Israelis, I am playing the Egyptians.

    Here is the broad view of the battle’s location.  Note it is on the west bank of the Suez Canal, the waterway which more or less formed the start line for the 1973 Yom Kippur War here in the Sinai.

    After suffering stunning setbacks and appalling losses in the face of the initial Egyptian onslaught across the Suez Canal, the Israelis have regained their balance and mounted Operation Gazelle (alternatively Operation Abirey-Halev, “Stouthearted Men”), a counter-crossing back across the Suez Canal.  The Israeli objective is to turn south and take Port Suez, which will slice off the whole Third Army in vast pocket.

    The Egyptians, of course, CANNOT let this happen.  Units not in the imminent pocket are hastily mobilized and hurled against the Israeli spearhead.  One of the most powerful of these was made up of the bulk of 3rd Armored Brigade and 113th Mechanized Brigade, 4th Egyptian Armored Division, which struck the side of Adan’s 162nd Division on 19 October 1973.  This game will create Colonel Natke Nir’s 217th Brigade (reinforced with elements of 890th Para Battalion / 35th Brigade) part in stopping the Egyptian counterattack.

    Here are the forces both sides will have in the game.  For reference, each counter is a unit (platoon or half-company) of five tanks, a platoon of 40-50 men, or a battery of 3-6 guns.  Note I also have three batteries of SA-2 “Guideline” surface-to-air missiles.  These were critical targets for the Israelis on the West Bank of the canal, as their vaunted air force couldn’t operate safely until their ground units took out some of these firing sites.  That’s right, the ground forces had to “soften things up” for the air force, instead of the other way around.  So I’ve got about two battalions of about 60 tanks, a battalion of mechanized infantry in BTR-60 troop carriers, and some support assets like combat engineers, Czech 107mm recoilless rifles, and of course a few of the dreaded AT-3 “Sagger” antitank guided missiles.  Damon has a battalion-sized task force of Nir’s Brigade in the superlative “Sh’ot” Centurion upgrade, a battalion of elite paratroopers I WW2-era M3 halftracks and a few odds and ends like recon jeeps with 106mm recoilless rifles.  I should also note he has four A-4 Skyhawks on standby.  For their strike packages Damon has selected two with American-supplied Rockeye cluster bombs for antitank work, two with Walleye TV-guided bombs for installations.

    The map before the battle.  Note my SA-2s are already set up.  They are as much objectives as much as combat units.  Damon is coming on from the roads to the northeast, I am coming on from the west and southwest.  We each get a point for any objective hexes we take and hold at the end of ten turns.  I also get a point for each SA-2 site still operational at the end of the game, Damon gets one for each SA-2 site eliminated.  Each hex is 250 meters, or about eight feet on a 15mm table. A turn is 6-10 minutes.

    Turns 01 and 02 are now complete.  Already Damon has a bit of an upper hand, having seized three of the five objective hexes:  (1) the crossroad by the rail line, (2) the Test Road exit to the far east, (3) and the Port Suez Exit to the southeast.  I lunged at him in the north with my two battalions of armor, I’ve taken a 20-tank salvo at him in those palm groves but missed with a “6” (worst roll in Arab-Israeli Wars).  I’ve started to flank him, however, while in the south my mech battalion has rolled up in their BTR-60s and is now unloaded en masse for an attack against that Port Suez road objective.

    Things jump off in the north on Turn 03.  Damon’s counter-fire to my opening salvo is pretty devastating, he’s disordered five of my tanks and killed ten more at a range of 1500 meters.  But forty MORE tanks have already swept around behind him, and now threaten that rail line objective hex.  Note Damon’s use of displace fire tactics, firing and them using split-move-and-fire rule to displace his armor 250 meters to the northwest.  It’s correct to lunge like this, but he lunges the wrong way, and thus allows himself to be flanked.  If he’d moved east one hex instead of northwest, he could have contested that flanking maneuver with point-blank opportunity fire and cost me at least 15 more T-55 main battle tanks.

    In the south, after three turns of preparation and staging, I finally launch a massive infantry assault out of the palm groves along the “Sweetwater Canal” (a fresh water irrigation canal that ran along the Suez Canal).  I’ve already done quite a bit of damage with massed fire from twenty-five BTR-60s.  My assault is also partially protected (ironically) by an Israeli smoke screen (SSC = smoke shell concentration).  My RPG-armed infantry even get close enough to some of Damon’s dreaded Sho’t Centurion tanks, and a platoon of these beasts is now on fire.  For one glorious moment, the southern objective hex is in my grasp as well.

    In the north, the battle is (by contrast) oddly quiet.  This is because I’ve maneuvered in such a way that Damon really can’t do much about my presence.  I blow up his 120mm mortar carriers, I try to fire when he side-steps with those 15 Sho’ts to get an angle on my T-55s … but AGAIN I miss.  But now with 45 T-55s on the objective, Damon’s gonna have a helluva time shifting me out of here.  And I have 80 infantry (two platoons) with RPGs creeping on his tanks from the southwest.

    Damon is losing the game, and realizes he’s out of time.  He’s shot the ever-living hell out of my infantry battalion that’s taken the Port Suez Road objective, and now masses his remaining paratroopers, their halftracks, 10 Sho’t Centurions (two counters) and even the battalion commander’s M-113 sections in a do-or-die counterassault on the Port Suez Road.  It works, my entire contingent of the 113th Mechanzied Brigade is more or less shattered in a horrific slaughter.  Damon and I really tore each other apart down here, we count up later that no less than twenty-one PLATOONS have been destroyed here.  That’s twenty-one Bolt Action “ARMIES” shot up to the point of combat ineffectiveness.  That about 130 dead and somewhere around 400 wounded to one degree or another, along with 30 armored vehicles destroyed.   But he retakes the hex.  Damon also bits the bullet and calls in his air strikes directly against my SAMs (never having taken any of them out on the ground).  He dodges a bullet here, I don’t shoot down any A-4 Skyhawks, only forcing one to abort.  The other three strikes go in, and two of them hit.  That’s two of my three SA-2 sites blown off the map.  I’ve also sent on five T-55s (one counter) over the canal to try and take a poke at the Test Road objective hex, held by Damon’s recon jeeps and one platoon of paratroopers – but nothing comes of it.

    In the end, this game goes down as a hard-fought draw.  I own three objective hexes and still have one SAM battery operational = four victory points.  Damon has two objective hexes (Test Road and Port Suez Road) and has destroyed two of my SAM batteries = four victory points as well.  WELL DONE DAMON!  Not many players can fight me to a draw in Arab-Israeli Wars!

     

    #1641619

    crazyredcoat
    Participant
    8771xp

    Got the Vickers Gun and the Gunner finished for my MMG team. Pleased with how he turned out. I might have gone a little bright on the webbing highlights, but it adds nice contrast even if it’s not 100% accurate. One of the difficult parts about painting modern uniforms; they are kind of designed to blend together and with the background. 😛 He does look like a bit of a lemon sitting behind his gun with no ammo, though…

    20210501_112257_smol

    I’m going to get a project post up in a moment, but the base colour is a bit rough as it’s just a base layer to cover the grey when I put the basing paint on. Helps to cover any gaps in places where I can’t get the paint.

    #1641638

    danlee
    17117xp
    Cult of Games Member

    This week’s pledge is to finish my first unit of 8 javelin celts. They’re about half done at the moment.

     

    1. Has Brexit changed your online shopping behaviour? – I was never a big online purchaser to begin with. I basically buy from OTT unless spray cans are involved and then I order from Wayland games.
    2. Have shipping and taxes ever held you from buying something you really wanted? – Again, not much of an international shopper.
    3. How could small, one-man-operated companies band together to get their stuff to people outside their “tax-zone”? – The best option for them would be to ship in bulk to another similar outfit in the target country, who can then ship locally. That way you only need to complete one set of export/import paperwork. This is basically setting up distribution hubs or partners. Of course that depends on larger volumes and higher financial commitments for it to be worth it for both parties. It also worth doing some research and finding which couriers are coping better with the new customs arrangements. We have found DHL are coping well, while other couriers we use (TNT and UPS) are struggling and are much more prone to errors and delays.
    #1641640

    limburger
    16505xp
    Cult of Games Member

    1) Has Brexit changed your online shopping behaviour?
    Not really.

    2) Have shipping and taxes ever held you from buying something you really wanted?
    I don’t buy much from foreign webshops. And when I do I tend to order enough to qualify for the ‘free shipping’ as that makes it less painful.
    Kickstarters I always tend to prefer the ‘EU friendly’ ones.
    Because you can get hit with some unexpected ‘handling fees’ if they don’t.
    I’ve suffered a few of them, because I wanted the shiny more. I think there’s been only one time where in hind sight the total pledge vs taxes/shipping cost ration was a bit tooo much.

    50$ shipping is not too bad when the total value is 500$, is it ?
    Of course I’d rather pay less … that’s a given 😀
    I’ll will have to wait and see what the Streetfighter kickstarter will be like when it finally ships and arrives.

    3) How could small, one-man-operated companies band together to get their stuff to people outside their “tax-zone”?
    A tabletop-gaming focused equivalent to fleabay/amazon would be great.
    In theory Amazon, ebay and etsy (sp?) have options for small sellers to use their services, but it can be very hard to find stuff on those sites.   And you’ve got to be wary of scammers too. I also suspect that the cost of using those services isn’t cheap.

    In a way OTT is already set up to at least have the option of providing one half of the equation (finding these small shops) and with the weekly ‘indie of the week. …'(tm) there’s bound to be a smallish boost for some of them already.

    Music …
    I’ve been listening to Rockabilly Mania playlist on Spotify …

    #1641652

    sundancer
    30642xp
    Cult of Games Member

    Huzza… all plans cancelled… the dishwasher leaks like hell…. that is going to be a nice Sunday then… repairing that bloody thing. I’m going to bed.

    #1641701

    limburger
    16505xp
    Cult of Games Member

    reality wrecking plans … that sucks

    Dishwashers are overrated.
    As long as you’ve got two pair of hands it can be done without the machine.

    Then again, reality has wrecked my plans for the past few weeks/months … finding time to hobby or just distracting my brain from overthinking stuff has been exhausting.

    Need to find a cheap microwave for my parents, because reality expects that people have such things. 🙁

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