Come Join The Carnevale As It Hits Kickstarter!
September 13, 2014 by dracs
The time has arrived as Vesper-On Games launch their new Kickstarter campaign for Carnevale: The Narrative Miniatures Game.
If you haven't already guessed, we at Beasts of War are really excited about this Kickstarter. Carnevale has to be one of our favourite skirmish games and it is great to see it returning to Kickstarter with such an awesome selection of miniatures to entice players in.
In this Kickstarter, Vesper-On are trying to gain funds in order to bring out a new main rule book for the game.
Vesper-On are attempting to tighten the rules system to make it more accessible and even more narrative than it already had been, allowing for even more stories to develop out of your gaming in the canals of Venice. There will also be new background material as the world of Carnevale has moved on a bit since the first rule book came out, and the nations attempt to deal with magic now flooding the earth.
Most exciting of all is the appearance of the two new factions. The Vatican and the Strigoi.
First we have the Vatican Forces, come to Venice in order to stamp out the supernatural forces ravaging the city.
However, they're not as noble as they might wish to appear as the use of magic is slowly corrupting the church from within.
Next are the Strigoi, vampires brought together by the legendary Count Dracula.
These monstrous creatures of the night have come to Venice in order to make their way through the rent in the sky, where they intend to feast upon the flesh of the elder gods themselves.
Both of these two factions feature some awesome sculpts, and backers will also get the chance of picking up the free Kickstarter exclusive Strigoi mini.
Of course, should the Kickstarter prove a success, which I think it promises to be given that it has only been live a few hours and is already over the half way mark, we can look forward to some stretch goals bringing us even more cool miniatures across the Carnevale range.
I don't even collect the Guild, but I want that Ostrich Riding Pulcinella!
Carnevale is a game with a rich and original background, enhancing a fantastic game mechanic that allows you to create really cinematic moments as you play. It is so good to see it expanding with some superb new sculpts for both the Vatican Forces and the Strigoi. We will definitely be keeping an eye on this one as no doubt more cool goodies will be appearing from it in the near future.
If you fancy donning a mask and taking to the streets of Venice, head over to the Kickstarter and pledge your support!
Remember to check out last week's Weekender where the creator of Carnevale joined us to discuss his plans for game.
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I’m in like sin. This one has always caught my eye.
Preach to the choire sinner brother!
I’ve got most of the range, but new factions and some scenery sound good…
I’m in too. Looking forward to this.
I like the idea of playing a corrupted inquisition. It’s just a thin line between heaven and hell…
It’s a little off-topic, but as you say, it’s one of your favourite skirmish system. What is your top 5? I’m looking for a good skirmish game right now. I guess Wolsung will be in your list, but I don’t like most of the minis, although the setting looks very attractive. I don’tmind if it’s fantasy, sci-fi or whatever. Nice miniatures and a good looking tabletop would be perfect.
1) Bushido
2) Malifaux
3) SAGA
4) Eden
Can’t afford/have the time for another!
Thank you very much!
I’m in.
A Pulcinellas starter set would be amazing!
I’m in but I have to wait until monday so I can call my bank and let them know it is in fact me trying to buy something in foreign currency, heh.
I pledged within a few minutes of it launching, I am so glad that David pointed out to me that it was this weekend (replied to a facebook post when I asked).
This game looks incredibly fun, Gone for the starter for now but intend to increase my pledge as time passes
Wait?
So for 75 GBP, I get the book and 11 metal models (2 starter sets, plus exclusive)? In April 2015?
Or I could get Space Hulk with 35 hard plastic miniatures next week, not even bothering with a discounter.
Hmmmmm
Sorry… Space Hulk for me.
If the amount of minis you get for your £75 is the most important thing then you can do a lot better than Space Hulk. £30 would get you 40 hard plastic Ghouls from Mantic, and you could have them sooner than next week. If you think Space Hulk is a better use of your £75 than a load of Mantic Undead minis then clearly it’s neither the price nor the release date which is the issue.
True. But Mantic generally is “considered” cheap (though 8 no-options DreadBall minis for 15 quid isn’t either).
But GW usually is seen as pricey, so when a Kickstarter comes along and asks more than 100% of what GW is asking these days (and isn’t run by Adam Poots, I suppose), it should raise some eyebrows.
Hell, if you dislike the GW analogy, even Corvus Belli’s ridiculously upmarket Operation Icestorm with 14 metal minis for 60 GBP is more affordable than Carnevale at this point.
A like-for-like comparison would be the Infinity hardback rulebook and two starters. At current RRP that would cost £103 and get you 12 metal minis and one book. The Carnevale KS compares very favourably and that’s before any free stuff from stretch goals is added. Vesper On aren’t funding a starter box for Carnevale and it’s taken years for Corvus Belli to grow big enough to release one. Either way, it doesn’t matter because what we’re really talking about is what something is worth to you. I wouldn’t pay close to £75 for a two-player boardgame with minimal replayability and… Read more »
Well, that “poor gaming experience” won plenty of awards and honors – Golden Geek, Origins Awards, etc.., – so a fair few people seem to like it.
And no, price is not subjective, not least because it has nothing to do with the question of whether a given price, expensive of cheap, is “worth it” to a customer.
A Ferrari is expensive. Objectively. Period. That price may be “worth it” for some, not for others, but like-for-like compared with equivalent products (motorized 4-wheeled vehicles), it is expensive.
You miss my point on Space Hulk. I was telling you why I do not find Space Hulk not to be worth £75 to illustrate the point our view on whether it is expensive varies because of our personal perceptions on the game. I apologise for not being clearer. On price and expensive, I really should have said expensive rather than price as it (and cheap) are the subjective interpretation of price and definitely do depend on whether a given person in a given situation considers it to be worth. It is just the expression of value given by an… Read more »
Probably should have proof read that first lol. Obviously the double negative in the second sentence shouldn’t be there. I hope you excuse the remaining missing or additional words 🙂
I disagree. By that logic, comparatives between non-near-identicals are impossible, simply because a small measure of subjectivity exists. Of course these two products are not identical. Of course they will appeal differently to different people. Nevertheless, a benchmark of price-per-miniature is a decent-enough standard of comparison to start with. I never claimed, nor would anyone ever believe, that a one-dimensional comparison covers all aspects to two products, but to simply rule out any and all comparisons between everything, just because any given comparison cannot capture everything possibly to know about two given products is to surrender to a world of… Read more »
I already have pointed out that the hardback Infinity rulebook and two starters costs £103 at current rrp. As you picked up on other things in your reply I only dealt with the points you made. Infinity makes for an excellent comparison because the two products are very close in terms of what you get. Some other examples of the cost of two starters and the full rulebook (prices taken from Wayland) – Malifaux – £88 (softback rulebook and 11 plastic minis taking Resurrectionists for sample) Judge Dredd – £90 (hardback rulebook and 14 metal minis taking Justice Dept starters… Read more »
Interesting list.
Interesting, to have it spelled out like this, black on white, how significantly more expensive all of them are, without exception, and apparently not just Carnevale, if compared to Games Workshop.
If compared to Space Hulk in particular, I doubt that would hold true for 40K, WFB, and The Hobbit. Likewise, if we compared Space Hulk to similar boardgames we’d probably find it’s at the top end for price. The economics of doing a boardgame or a skirmish game are different because a boardgame sells a lot of one set of components, whereas the skirmish games sell fewer of a lot of different components.
So we should compare the Carnevale-Starter pledge it to Dark Vengeance instead?
It has even more models than Space Hulk, but is also cheaper.
Island of Blood?
@hash40k You are always going to run into issues when comparing a small company who can only produce in metals (and possibly resin) with one who has the financial backing to create plastic tooling. In general a plastic tool will have a gal cost (a big one these days costs around 50K to manufacture) it’s then up to the designer to fit as much (or as little) on the sprue the tool will produce that still works within the tolerances of manufacturing. Once created though, each sprue will cost a few pence to create. Metal is the material of choice… Read more »
“So we should compare the Carnevale-Starter pledge it to Dark Vengeance instead? It has even more models than Space Hulk, but is also cheaper. Island of Blood” Neither, those would compare with the likes of Operation Icestorm. They give better value but give no faction choice and have a cut down rulebook. As WFB and 40K are mass battle games it’s hard to do a like for like comparison with skirmish games. As Warren says, plastic tooling is very expensive to set up but then is very cheap to produce the sprues. It means mass battle games which will sell… Read more »
UGH!!!! I really wish I had the $80 dollars laying around to jump in on this, but I am looking towards a new HOTAS set up. Those Vatican models look really cool!
I really hope Carnevale makes it big (as far as skirmish games go) like Malifaux and Infinity. It’s such an incredible model range in and of itself. From what I’ve seen of the rules they seem to be pretty awesome too.
To make most of the time until april, I would like to build a beautiful gaming table for carnevale. Can you tell me, what the standard size for a nice game of carnevale is?
When it comes to terrain: is it usefull to build houses you can play in? As far as I understood, it’s more the roofs and balconies you use for jumping etc.
How wide should a canal be, and what is a good ratio between water and dry areas?