Weekender XLBS: Next Halo Space Game Revealed, More Tanks Info & Mega Terrain Chat
March 27, 2016 by dignity
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@johnlyons face at 37:58 is a picture. 😀
I’m in the make it camp for the most part (as in I have never bought pre-painted), even when I’ve bought some MDF kits I’ll still paint them and make them unique and distress parts differently when a repetitive element gives the Flintstone Syndrome.
In my personal opinion kids shouldn’t be in a position to buy enough premade terrain to fill a board in the first place as it is far too expensive on top of models and I agree with John that it completely ruins the use of imagination/ creativity. They need to start from bean tins and then they will appreciate it when they can buy add on kits when they start earning.
Happy Sunday Night guy`s…………………
Liking the look of the Dark Age Heroes figures, they have quite a nice range going for them.
The Blood Eagle, i know what you mean Justin. I`ve watched “Vikings” and i must say i`m well impressed with it so far, may even consider getting the book and start playing some game`s. May even get my grandson interested in playing……………..
The new release for the Legion of Everblight is a really nice mini, as are all the releases for the Legion over the year`s. As i`ve not bought any new Legion in quite a few year`s, i`m wondering if i should finish painting what i have and use the as a display force. Or put them on E-Bay or on here and put the funds toward`s what i now collect and play.
As i see more and more on “Tank`s”, i`m wondering what force to go with. As i have 3 Sherman`s and 2 Stug`s for the starter set of FoW i`m stuck on which side to go for, or maybe as the game`s geared toward`s just smallish type encounter`s i may just collect a force for each side.
Nice work on your Wolsung SSG gang John, liking what you`ve done with the “Robot” dude and adding “The Pinky and the Brain” that`s what is known as a “Master Stroke”.
Building Terrain Vs Buying It : I`m in the middle, i like making “Terrain” and granted it can take a lot of time, but at the end of the day i can sit back and know i`ll have something nobody else has. On the other hand with how long it take`s to make your own terrain (which these day`s is less and less due to life commitments) will dictate if you just go out and buy it instead. So for me it`s a case of, if i can get some free time i`ll make some and if not then it`s buy some. Either way i`ll have some great looking “Terrain”……………..
Halo Fleet Battles Interview: After watching today`s show, i`m a little more inclined to “Buy” Halo Fleet, which in turn mean`s getting the ground based game as well. Only time will tell if i submit to the pull of some more new “Plastic Toy Mini`s”……………….
great show guys I think a mix of home made & premade stuff would be a great alternative?
I like making terrain. I have a big box of the mantic stuff which I guess is half way between buying and making it yourself but I don’t have any space to store it if I put it together. It makes me sad.
Also, I love the Vikings show, but I don’t think we should put too much faith in its usefulness as a historical document! The whole blood eagle thing isn’t agreed on as something which actually happened outside of sagas and the like.
Or even if Ragnar existed
Buy or Make terrain? They both have their uses. I love the prepainted stuff for 15mm but have plenty of stuff (scratch built and kit bashes) that I use for 28mm.
Happy Sunday. Loved the golem John painted. Not looking to get into another gaming system but damn I want that “mice” golem for my collection!
On the subject of buying vs building terrain:
I went in on the Deadzone kickstarter and bought the core set and a Ruins battlezones set. I’ve been putting of painting it ever since until this weekend (following this guide: http://whiteswolves.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/deadzone-terrain-speed-painting-guide.html). Not including cutting and washint tim, I am 3 days in and am about to varnish it all off and call it done. 3 days working 10-12 hours a day, with no room for anything else. I’ve made a mess of my house in the process. I could not have done this without a 3 day weekend or a dedicated weeks holiday as it was not a job I could walk away from for a weeks work. It was too big and messy. I am glad I did it and I enjoyed the experiense but I would not volunteer to do it again if I had an alternative. I do not have the time to spare. And this was a kit. If I had to build from scratch using my own designs I might enjoy it but I’d never get it done. If I could buy premade and prepainted without breaking the bank (I’m a little broke right now) then thats they way I’ll go in the future (Although I’d love to build the 4ground stoic arms). Premade might be costly, but if we assume I take home £50 a day at work then my time is valued at £50 a day and I invested £150 worth of time in to prepping the battlezones, along with the initial costs, and I’m not done yet. Could I have bought a similar amount of terrain for that?
I’m assuming BoW is your only jobs, so I suspect that in the time/money debate on buying vs building you think about things differently, as building this stuff is part of your job. You are also far faster at this stuff than I am, and I suspect more so than a lot of the community. John said he got that wolfsung set painted very quickly. I’m lucky if I can get a Warmachine solo painted to tabletop standard in 2 days dedicated painting time. So far this year I have only painted 33 individual models,with 5 more almost done and the Deadzone terrain and I was unemployed in January. If I hade more time on my hands I’d be up for making more stuff myself. However Time as well as money and interest is a major limiting factor. I can only get so much done and Ive got 100s of unpainted models and I want to actually find time to play too.
It is important to debate the build it buy it argument. My opinion is that this is all hobby and not buying. If we continue to just be consumers we have the reins of creativity and dynamism to an elite few (most case scenario). Is also probably very important to state that those elite mordant than likely would have their education beginning in the build it camp. I don’t agree with Justin comments regarding the primacy of a good looking table, it’s slightly elitist and perhaps arrogant, and if I hadn’t watched BoW almost religiously for over a year, I would think that Justin maybe the type of person who I wouldn’t want in my club (from that point of view; although he appears to be the opposite. Success in Wargaming, and in fact every facet of life; is about is about the accumulation of experience. I will stand by for you to delete this post as how have done previously
I prefer to buy buildings because in general they are more detailed than if I had made them myself. I prefer to make smaller/simpler terrain pieces like tree planters and roads. Plus I like the smell of MDF 🙂
I,m having a lot of fun making terrain. But the key word here for me is enhance.
For BA, gathering sets of plastic houses, walls and so on and enhanced them. I feel they are unique, Also mixing them with lots of any home stuff you can find in the old school fashion of making terrain. And of course lots of green stuff and putty.
I don’t normally leave comments, but felt I needed to this time. I used to play D&D many many years ago and used to create all the dungeons etc. Now I have started playing wargames and as I am on a pension have started making my own terrain as I can not afford to buy too much. I have just finished making my own wound markers by printing my creation onto a label and then sticking it to the foam base from a shop bought pizza. I have to say I go immense satisfaction looking at the finished markers and can’t wait to show it to the lads on club night. I understand not having the time and buying in terrain. But I am sitting here after just finishing my markers feeling like a kid on Christmas day. You can’t buy that.
I am in the make it yourself camp. It is cheaper for me to make, no exchange rates, customs charges & shipping cost. Sure my first buildings & such will not look as good once I get the hang of building. But either I can redo my first buildings & such or as I know there are run down areas in any city or town. One just has to ask one self, why go out & buy ruined buildings when one’s first few buildings look ruined or run down.
I love custom terrain but just don’t have the time to make any myself and usually just buy what I need.
You need both with out a doubt, but tables that are completely bought are imo boring just like pre-painted minis. Yes you can get fairly decent looking terrain layouts with just bought terrain but they will never be truly amazing like what you can get when you get good at scratch building. The best looking tables ever are a combination of both bought/manufactured kits and scratch building. If there was only bought terrain it would stifle one of the greatest parts of this hobby, expression thru creation.
Really don’t have enough time to paint my Minis , so buildings are not my prioriry.
Justin talks about the negative aspect of not having a good looking table with everything in the right place. Justin you don’t base you models???? Also a kid doesn’t have hundreds of pounds to spend on terrain; at least mine don’t. I on the other hand have access to thousands of pounds, and I still would prefer to make terrain than buy it. I don’t have any time to make it, but it is still fundementally important that buy it remains forever second (albeit a close second) to made terrain, as a unified opinion of the wargaming community. Now we don’t live in North Korea so we are all entitled to our own voice; but surely you must see that building terrain is far more holistic than buying. Please reply.
ah monday morning perfection, weekender xlbs
great show guys 🙂
Tanks looks absolutely amazing … Just too many good games for my tabletop and wallet to be able to handle …Great job as always!!
Really enjoyed the Buy-It vs. Make-It discussion. I tend to buy human made stuff, like buildings and vehicles and so on. Then i create the environment around it myself, the nature, the dirt roads, etc. to bring it all together.
I prefer a combination of buying terrain and building terrain pieces. As a modeler though i tend to build my own terrain. On the other hand buying something, saves you a lot of time. I guess you have to find the ballance between money and time – experience.
Terrain. I vote with Ben. Yes bought stuff is fast and getting better all the time, but not having pieces that you know you built with your imagination and love and care just leaves a table kind of soulless. How can people really afford to cover several square feet in shop bought ready painted stuff anyway? Yes you invest in time making your own, but terrain building for me is a pleasure, not a chore. If we don’t encourage terrain building to be part of the hobby we could see people feeling that our hobby is elitist and that it is only geared towards the wealthy few who can afford highend terrain. Another massive factor is that bespoke terrain has always led to excellent narrative in my gaming. Everyone at Beasts of War comments that they love narrative to drive their games. Terrain building and the imagination that inspires it should be cultivated and enjoyed, else we will be the last generation to remember this fun side of the hobby.
See the Teseum recycling plant forum feed that I started and checkout the Operation Flamestrike battles that developed from one terrain idea.
Great weekender.
Happy gaming.
We’re big boys, we can understand the concept that you filmed it all in one go (ie. the Halo interview). You don’t have to pretend like it’s actually the next day. 🙂
Great shows guys. Can’t wait for Halo ground game!