Weekender: Previewing 4Ground’s Mighty Dwarf Terrain & Warlord’s Doctor Who Will See You Now
July 30, 2016 by dignity
Welcome to The Weekender where we're talking Barbarossa Battle Reports, showing off new 4Ground Terrain under the camera and delving into news from the week...
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News
What's been in the news this week?
- Corellian Campaign For Star Wars: Armada - Will you be heading out for a new campaign in the Star Wars universe?
- Allison Jakes Gets Promoted In Warmachine - Both Allison Jakes of Cygnar & Fyanna of Legion are getting a promotion.
- Captain Aiakos Goes From Reaver To Cryxian Warcaster - Aiakos of Cryx also follows in their footsteps for Warmachine.
- Doctor Who Miniatures Game Pre-Orders Open - Warlord Games show off the first models from their new range.
- 350 New Board Game Picks Coming To Gen Con - We pick out some of the best looking board games coming to Gen Con this year.
New 4Ground Dwarven & Steampunk Terrain Reviewed
4Ground have sent through their new Dwarf Karag-Haim Terrain and their Grimmstack Steampunk buildings for us to take a look at.
We'll be showing them off and giving you our thoughts on them and what games you might use them for.
A Retrospective - Talking Barbarossa & Battle Reports
We also take a moment to talk with Oriskany, one of our community members responsible for the Operation Barbarossa Article Series.
Now it's finished we'll be taking a look back at it, the Historical outcome of it all and his Battle Reports from the forums!
Did you follow along with this WWII series?
Kickstarters
We take a look at some of the big Kickstarters from this week.
- DreadBall 2nd Edition - Mantic Games bring their Futuristic Sports Game back to the tabletop.
- Fate Of The Elder Gods - Play as the Cultists of the Lovecraftian universe summoning up an Elder God!
Did anything catch your eye?
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I think we need some operation Blue for WW2 eastern Front. This was the operation that eventually led to the Stalingrad defeat but there was a lot more to it than just Stalingrad.
I would agree with that, @gideon7v20 – 1942 is often referred to as “the forgotten year” of the Eastern Front. Nothing outside of Stalingrad seems to get much press in Eastern Front 1942, not Rhzev, First Khar’kov, Case Blue, Carnivore, the Caucasus, Sevastopol, etc.
Well obviously Tom Baker was the best Doctor of all time…no one else can hold a candle to him…Sylvester McCoy suffered from silly stories so never liked him much but he was better than Colin Baker.
Of the modern era I actually think Peter Capaldi is doing an awesome job. But David Tenant was good.
Still looking forward to how the Doctor Who game plays and models for the 2nd Doctor and Jamie but that tenth doctor set is appalling, theres no energy to them and the faces are all wrong, Really dampered my excitement for the game.
there are some more pictures that they didnt includ that are much better. theres some links here.
http://merchandise.thedoctorwhosite.co.uk/warlord-games-sneak-peek-at-upcoming-range/
http://wargameterrain.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/warlord-games-upcoming-doctor-who.html
Same here
Oriskany steals the show again 🙂
The topic of ‘what ifs’ in terms of WW2 can get some people very hot under the collar because they will say that if Germany did X instead of Y, then everyone else would have done something to respond in an effort to counter Hitler’s moves. I don’t think any German venture into Russia via Poland in 1939/40 would have succeeded. They had a tough enough time of it when they had significant numbers of Panzer III and Panzer IV in 1941 but even in Barbarossa there was still a numerical reliance on the older smaller Panzers. There would also have been the likelihood of a second front opening against Germany in the west so I really don;t think that would have panned out even against a weakened Soviet armed forces.
What would I like to see Oriskany cover next? It does not have to be WW2 by the way 🙂 How about Desert Storm?
“Steals the show?” Wow, thanks very much, @dorthonion . 😀
Desert Storm in an interesting idea. I was in the US Marine Corps during Desert Storm (yes, I’m that old), so I might be able to bring some perspective to that. Toshach Miniatures has come out with a .pdf downloadable expansion of PanzerBlitz (the game you see over my left shoulder) specifically for the Gulf Wars, with equipment and scenarios for both the 1991 and 2003 wars.
In fact, I got this game and researched it last year when I was working up the Ukraine War article series. I wanted to “compare the answers” my research and “formulas” were getting for modern AFVs / weapons systems in the WW2 PanzerBlitz game engine, vs. what the “answers” they were getting in Toshach Miniatures. We were really close in a lot of places, and in some places a spot-on match. 😀
http://toshachminiatures.com/games.htm
Germany invades the USSR in 1939? Eh . . . I agree . . . no. Germany invades the USSR in 1940? Possible? But extremely unlikely. I know I say 95% in the interview, but on further reflection this drops to about a zero, but not for military reasons. It’s true, Germany was really no stronger in 1941 than they were in 1940. The Germans had twice as many panzer divisions, but did this by dividing all these divisions effectively in half . . . and any gains made to Luftwaffe strength had been lost in the Battle of Britain). Meanwhile, the Soviets were notably weaker in 1940 than 1941 (bad performance in Finland, the Baltic States, and Poland showed them how bad their army really was and they were scrambling in 1941 to rectify these problems). This seems to give the Germans a better chance in 1940.
But one huge problem is that the crucial alliances in the Balkans (Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, and initially Yugoslavia) were not in place yet. The German Foreign Ministry spent most of the fall and winter of 1940 lining these up in preparation for a big German push into the USSR in early 1941. Say what you will about the quality of these troops, but what German really needed was geostrategic security on their southern flank, and to lock up through diplomatic and financial channels the oil in the Hungarian and Romanian oil fields. This could not be guaranteed in 1940, it wasn’t until 1941 that this area was MOSTLY secured so Germany could push east.
In fact, the Serbian coup in Yugoslavia and Italy’s disastrous Albanian-based invasion of Greece is what destabilized this region in the fall and winter of 1940, forcing the Germans to invade Yugoslavia and Greece in April and May of 1941. This was a contingency they had NOT planned for, and pushed back the launch date of Barbarossa from May 15 to June 22, 1941. This fateful delay, and what it would eventually cost the Germans, I think shows the priority with which German planners considered security in this region in regards to any plans in the Soviet Union.
Fave Doctor: Tom Baker. Fave story: City of Death. I have most of his stuff on DVD.
Bad guys: Daleks Daleks Daleks Daleks Daleks Daleks.
Happy Weekend 🙂 A really good show guys 🙂
I did like the discussion about Barbarossa with John and James. I must say that taking out the Soviets in 1939 maybe 1940 would have been something to consider but on the other hand the Germans were really unprepared for that in 1940… not that they were much better of in 1941. However, if Germany attacked Soviet Russia in 1940 maybe Japanese would try to attack it again instead of going for the Pacific. Small chances thou, since they needed all the minerals and other goods the islands were offering. Still, we enter a land of fiction here. Hell, what would have happened if Poland didn’t stand up in 1939?
Anyway, since @oriskany is so much into historical gaming and I want to distract him a bit from it I would love to see him host a series of articles on Battletech. I heard it is still really popular in the USA.
As for my favorite Dr Who… it is a shame but I haven’t seen a single episode 😛
Great show, good to see Orikany as always, some great stuff and as for my good friend James’s next article, maybe a break to recoup some energy and just take five would serve the ace Gladesrunner and himself well.
Going to track down a copy of Big trouble in little China, as Victoria has never seen it, classic romp Sunday afternoon rainy day film.
Victoria and Chris G
Its on Netflix Chris
Thanks very much, @chrisg . 😀
And @yavasa . . . Hmm, what? Battletech? What is this “Battletech” of which you speak? I assure you, I have been working on no Battletech. 😀 😀 😀
http://www.beastsofwar.com/groups/painting/forum/topic/julys-painting-competition/?topic_page=2&num=15#post-168482
Well now, @oriskany it is a sign :D:D:D
Doctor Who miniatures game – yay!!!!!
I will stop myself from correcting the endless mistakes made with the lore etc.
Old Who, I think I will have to go with McCoy, followed by Troughton
New Who, Tennant
Enemy – Old school Cyberman from late Troughton era onwards
Movie looks great, really want to back the Blu Ray, but let me win and save me money guys.
I can’t believe I’m dispensing Firefly trivia, especially to a Firefly fan, Justin, but Wash was killed because the actor who plays him couldn’t commit to a sequel to Serenity. Likewise for Book.
Also, do people over the age of 8 really find Dr Who episodes scary?
I think the Blink episode was pretty scary from the David Tennant series. Otherwise I think most of the time they’re fairly tame.
Favourite Doctor who stuff
New Era Doctor: Christopher Eccleston
Classic Doctor: Jon Pertwee
Best Foe : The Sea Devils or the Automan
The doctor from the old Dalek film was Peter Cushing
@Oriskany I think for WW2 article should go for the invasion of France 1940 or even if you want a complete different favour how about the Race for Rangoon 1944 starting with the Japanese attack at Imphal and Kohima and ending with the fall of Rangoon. You have Chindits, Merrill’s Marauders, the Chinese, the commonwealth forces, the environment and the Japanese and their allies. Also it is a forgotten part of the war too and deserves light shone on it.
@panzerkaput – I will totally agree that some CBI (China-Burma-India) material would be great. I’ve drawn up and played some “Merrill’s Marauders” scenarios in Valor and Victory (link below) – and I also designed my own Merrill’s Marauders and Gurkha counters. 😀 But in miniature>? That would be some tough terrain to replicate on the table top.
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/28452/valor-victory
We also tried to cover some of this in Part 3 of our series: “The Other World War II – Wargaming in the Pacific.”
I remember seeing Kohima and Imphal done at a show and jolly effective it looked too, but it was actually a lot simpler to do than thought.I will see if I managed to get any photos of the table to show.
ahh, time to pull up a chair, grab a bagel and some coffee, and enjoy another weekender!
Without the detailing the Dwarven terrain might also work quite well in a sci-fi setting. The angles and panel lines give it the proper sense of ‘not of this world’.
A thousand and one thanks once again to Justin, John, and the Beasts of War Team for another chance to ramble on the Weekender. 😀 While the articles themselves were discussed in a previous episode of XLBS, I think the team wanted to talk a little about the accompanying battle reports run in the forum thread, and so here we are.
These were the games actually run for the Barbarossa series, but of course there wasn’t room to include detailed battle reports in the articles themselves. And to avoid the “walls of text,” these reports are done almost entirely with a series of photos.
I wanted to also thank all the BoW community members who posted on these forums and kept the thread going, such as rasmus, jamesevans140, chrisg, yavasa, figure 11, witmann007, dorthonion, buggeroff, mamlukomar, victioriag, benc, warzan, limburger, iplay40k, torros, all the people who’ve shown so much interest and kept this thread going.
These battles were all run in Battlegroup, by Ironfist Publishing, available through Plastic Soldier Company, played in 15mm. We start off with some, ahh . . . **functional** tables. I mean, they get the point across. I’m happy to say they get better as the series progresses.
One “fudge” we kind of make with the rules in these battle reports is how the battle counter ratings worked. Normally when you have to draw a battle counter rating . . . again, these determine the overall, almost “psychological” condition of your battlegroup and how its mission is being perceived by higher levels of command, you keep these draws private. It’s part of the fog of war of the game. You always know how much damage you’ve taken, but you never really know how much damage you’re doing to the enemy. Anyway, in these particular battle reports, we’re showing those draws in the open to help the reader track what’s happening.
Of course, there could be a lot more to do in the Eastern Front. Like we say in the interview, this is the first five months of a war that would last just short of four years. 😀 After this, just as a sample of highlights, you have the Demyansk Pocket, Operation Carnivore, First Battle of Khar’kov, Case Blue, Stalingrad, Rhzev, Second Battle of Khar’kov, Third Battle of Khar’kov, Kursk, Orel-Belgorod, Kiev and the Dniepr Bend, Cherkassy, Bagration, Oder-Seelow, Berlin . . .
Seriously, this whole article series we’ve had is the first movie in a “nine-movie galactic saga.” This is barely scratching the surface (yes, I just compared my article series to the Phantom Menace ) . . . 🙁
So what’s next? Well . . . first up, we want to see how things unfold for Operation Zeus – the proposed Beasts of War campaign for an alternate mid or late war alternate-history World War 2 setting involving all the European factions. We want to follow up on the great success of Operation Flamestrike for Infinity and the Battle of Xilos for the Gates of Antares. I’m definitely excited to help and support Zeus in any way I can and certainly participate full-force in the campaign itself.
So I don’t want to get sunk too deep in anything else until we see where we stand with that. Meanwhile, some other alternate history ideas for World War II, my Leopards are coming in from Battlefront, and myself, @gladesunner, and some local gamers here in Fort Lauderdale have been putting together a pretty serious series of sci-fi armies of all things . . . so who knows?
a nice segment on the show @oriskany
Blast! I have to wait for Tom Baker!
Great show, alway goose to see @oriskany and I enjoyed the battle reports
It should say good to see @oriskany
Great show, always like to hear about WW2 and from Oriskany.
Thanks very much @tibour , @rasmus , and zorg. 😀
What a coincident I am just putting together my Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler troops 1/72 (multipart Caesar German Panzergrenadiers in Camouflage Cape) when you started with WWII campaigning… Cool
I’m with you Justin, Amy Pond…sigh.
been at Manchester comicon all day , peter davison was there .
top that one boys.
I went for warwick davis instead though. got my self a signed pic of wicket and got my sister a wand which he signed magic warwick davis prof Flitwick, very cool.
he was very cool and we had a giggle about star wars celebrations antoni daniels panel.
some one ask if C3PO buffed his armour before shots. warwick asked him if fluffed before scenes , nearly wet myself laughing.
I really like those dwarven buildings, but I’d like to see a roof kit option for flat roofs with battlements. I’d prefer to use peaked roofs for above-ground/outdoor settlements and flat ones for underground. While roofs make sense for a house in a cavern (they keep in heat), peaks do not (no rain or snow to keep off). Battlements just work for both game purposes and esthetics; a dwarf’s house is literally his castle.
“I was born ready!!” So whats happened to Warren???
And the Vlog?
4th Doctor, Tom Baker, the greatest Doctor ever.
David Tennant’s 10th Docter close second.
Greatest Dr Who villains A tie between the Classic Daleks (Creepy & Funny), the New Cybermen (Intimidating) and the Weeping Angels (Bowl Loosening Terrorizing)
On the subject of the USS-Enterprise, it’s widely believed that the unofficial rule is that the ship gets blown up each 3rd film.
Dreadball KS looks very tempting.
Well done again @oriskany. Some of, if not the most interseting re-enaccurate battle reports that I’ve ever seen.
Thanks very much, @m30wm1x 😀
Of course, we always struggle with the usual obstacles . . . scale, research the actual forces present, and trying to find the best way to scale that down to the right “microcosm” of manageable tabletop play and of course the miniatures we have on hand. 😀
What can I say, we did our best. 😀
http://www.beastsofwar.com/groups/historical-games/forum/topic/barbarossa-soviet-union-invaded-75-years-ago-today-battle-reports/
The “Ironsides” Daleks & WW 2 ?
That would be “Victory of the Daleks” with #11 (Matt Smith), Churchill and Amy Pond.
The scientist was Dr. Bracewell.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1577258